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Herman2

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This pix is taken today,after 2 days of rain.
No splitting or souring,closed eye,huge size for a fig,but!
I really do not find them as tasty as other top cultivar as for example Adriatic is.
Unless is taken totally ripe ,this cultivar has a shade of bitter taste to me ,that I do not like.
I was really looking hard for a fault on this cultivar,but this is the only thing I could come up with.
It is healthy handsome,productive and ornamental,and I think the problem it has here is because the climate is not ideal for this large fruitted fig.
I am looking to hear testimony of other gardener growing 143-36,in other climates,to make a better conclusion about this cultivar.
Please post your side of experience.

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I have the same one as 2 year old plant.
Here its the same, the fruit does not split after rain.
Its cold and less sun for 1 week, the fruit grows nevertheless.
I am curious what will happen.
Other varieties like Sal´s, Ronde de Bordeaux, HC, and one from Vienna, do ripen.
Yesterday I had this one.

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I have not been real impressed with flavor, but it supposedly is in top 1 or 2 at Davis taste tests each year along with K-6-5. Other fig friends like it very much, so some of it may be tastebud issue.

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Jon when i tasted it at the UC davis this year I wasn't very impressed. It had more of an acidy falvor. I


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Not impressed for my zone. Nice color though & large. Believe zones with higher heat units may make the difference.
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I don't mind the more acid fruits - they can be quite refreshing, but I always thought the flavor was kind of flat. Just my tastebuds.

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When you talk about the acidic flavor, do you mean that nice little "bite" that figs can have, like an almost ripe Celeste will have?

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Hello Herman,

I have been growing UCR 143-36 for a few years here in South Louisiana. The last two years I was encouraged by what I saw with this cultivar. However, this year proved that this variety is NO GOOD for my rainy climate. The eye of this fig opens too soon during the ripening process which allows those fruit beetles entry into the pulp area. The sugar content of that pulp at that early time is much too low and is easily ferment-able by the yeast on the bodies of the fruit beetles.  In other words, 143-36 cannot ever ripen as it should in our climate. My tree is a good 10 ft. tall and will be destroyed this winter.

Also, Atreano does the exact same thing as 143-36  in my climate. It too is a rather large tree that will be destroyed this winter. It is a shame because both of those cultivars produce large well shaped and colored figs. Those fruit beetles keep them from ripening properly in my climate even when the weather is dry.

The Black Mountain cultivar that I purchased from Joe Morle is another one that is going to fig heaven this winter.  I am about certain that it is nothing more than a Brunswick.

Here's an example of a fig cultivar that I pick according to the condition of its eye and the weather conditions at that time. ...........

The St. Jerome and Black Triana cultivars do well in my climate "if picked at the right time". You must pick these figs just before the eye opens during rainy weather.  At that ripening point, they are sweet and very good tasting figs although not as ripe as they will get.  These cultivars will have good flavor BEFORE the eyes open. The skin will usually crack (not split) at this point. If you allow the figs to stay on the tree AFTER the eye opens.....they can split and sour very easily if it rains. When the weather is DRY, I will allow these cultivars to fully ripen without danger of souring. They will drip honey and block the entrance to the pulp at that stage or ripening. The blocking honey is very high in sugar content and will not allow fermentation to occur unless diluted with rain water. They are both excellent to awesome tasting figs when fully ripe. I am certain that Gene's St. Jerome and Joe Morle's Black Triana cultivars are related and fairly certain that they are the exact same cultivar. 

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Dan:I appreciate your honest evaluation,and I am also thinking I will drop,(discard),Both 143-36,and 278-28,wich is another huge fig with amber interior from UCDAVIS,as soon as ripe fruits get collected for fig Jam,in about 3 weeks.
Last night we had 5 inches of rain,in top of the 3 inches,that fell in the prior 3 days.
These 2 and also others filled with water and behaved just as you said,so they are not good here also.
I will mention again:Kathleen Black can take it very well so far,I have 2 ripe fruits getting ready in yhis conditions,so far so good,I only have superficial splits at eye and along the body.
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Dan, there's 2 variants of Atreano --- one from Rolling Rivers nursery and the other one Jon labelled as "Original". I was thinking of sending them to my brother in similar climatic conditions as yours. If both are no good, I will not send.
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Paully,

I am very much impressed with Joe Morle's white Triana. It has passed my fig trials with flying colors. The rains that Herman described is what often occurs in South Louisiana and we had that kind of rain this year. This has allowed me to evaluate some my figs for those heavy rain conditions. I HIGHLY recommend the White Triana fig for people in my area for many reasons........care free, NEVER drops figs ever, cold tolerant, rain tolerant, bug resistant (tight eye), productive, extends fig season beyond Celeste, sweet jam like consistency pulp, skin is edible and OK for making fig preserves. These figs hold on so well to the mother that you almost need a knife to remove them even when ripe.....no joke.

White Triana may do well in your brother's climate since it performs so well in mine. Send me a private message if you want to know the source of my Atreano.

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Dan mentioned "White" Triana.
-  Is there another variety other than the "White" Triana. What I am trying to find is if "Triana" and "White Triana" are the same?

- While we are at it, I have the same confusion with Adriatic. My question is if "White Adriatic" is the same as "Adriatic"?

(PS: Apology to Herman for interfering with the thread but it seemed the right time to ask this question unrelated to the topic but it will help clear a few points).


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There are two types of Triana.......the White and the Black Triana fig. They definitely are not related to each other.

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Hi Herman.  Previously I posted the pictures below as a yellow unknown we purchased from a nursery as a "Celeste."  We knew very soon that it was not a Celeste.

Good news though, it proved to be far superior, and is definately one of our favorites now.

You thought it might be a 143-36 or other modern hybrid cultivar.  I looked over the pictures, and I think that is is very likely that it is a modern hybrid cultivar, possibly 143-36 or another.  I'm not sure the leaves on ours match yours though, and since you know that yours is 143-36 that makes me less certain about ours.

I would say though, that ours has excellent flavor, sugar sweet, with no hint of bitterness that I have ever detected.  And it has never split, or soured because of the tighly closed eye, is highly productive, very large figs, light breba and heavy main crop, early ripening (main crop starts ripening in mid-July) and grows like a weed unprotected in ground here in Zone 7b.  Whatever it is, I would highly recommend it.  Negatives?  It is a strong grower and suckers at the base quite a bit, but nothing a little annual pruning won't fix.  Overall this is a great fig, whatever it is.

Hope you are well my friend.

John
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Jon:By all means keep it,and spread it in the comunity.
I can see it is not 143-36 because that one is more red inside nor is it 278-128,because that one is amber inside.
It does look like Conadria,inside but I do not think it is .
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My tree came from Encanto and its taste is likely affected by the lack of heat units in my zone as well as the need for
a dryer environment. I wonder how figfriends  from Texas and New Mexico experiences are with this variant.
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John,

That's a beautiful tree--Looks so healthy.  Whatever it is, it sure likes to thrive.

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could be a norman yellow
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I was successful in rooting this variety and I think this is its third year.  I did not have figs on it last year.
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Mine had a significant breba crop this year.  All of them have dropped already.  Didn't seem to hold breba crop very well.


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Three years?  I think.   Caliper of the trunk at the base is about 1.25-1.5" (recalling from memory).  Tree is about 5' tall, maybe 6' with the added growth put on in the last month.  Not very well-branched.  Was one of the first trees to send out brebas in my garage before I got it out in the sun - garage time maybe what caused brebas to not set well (lack of true sunlight).  I can only speculate, really.


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Any further updates on this fig? I'm starting cuttings of it and am curious. There seems to be differing opinions.

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/14336-is-a-winner-herein-NJ-3660484

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/14336-3540955

Thanks.


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Gina, read this.

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/Emerald-Strawberry-UCR-14336-5952001

Emerald Strawberry and UCR 143-36 are the same.



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Gina, read this.

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/Emerald-Strawberry-UCR-14336-5952001

Emerald Strawberry and UCR 143-36 are the same.




Thank you. LOL, I had even commented to that thread just a week ago... So many fig names to keep track of. I don't always 'do' numbers that well. I just remembered something 'good' about the variety but couldn't remember what - it was your report. :)

I'm Coastal SoCal, so hopefully it will do well here too. I got my cuttings from a 10 year old tree from a less coastal environment.


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No problem.  I understand.  I started a massive database with all the names and their numbers and synonyms.  Tnere are so many figs out there and folks don't know it but many are the same but different name.

How bout those figs!!!!!!

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