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I'll be amazed if this works but here is a photo of a Florea cutting that I chip budded a CdDN bud onto about 7-10 days ago.  At that point the cutting had been in sphagnum moss for about 3 weeks and there was the beginning of rooting initials on the cutting but no roots.  So I did the surgery and wrapped it with parafilm.  That was about 7-10 days ago and this morning I noticed roots about 1/4 of an inch long.  I'll post updates over the next few weeks - fingers crossed.

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Brave man.  Good luck!
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I am also grafting, having about 70-80 pct success rate, I made a lot of mistakes at first. I am inserting my cutting onto the top / side of the rootstock. I have kept the trees in the wash room about 70 degrees.  Hope you have a lot of success Rewton.
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Armando, are both your rootstock and scion from dormant cuttings?   In my case, I started with dormant cuttings for both scion and rootstock and let the Florea (rootstock) cutting get to the verge of rooting before grafting on the bud from a CdDN cutting that came straight out of the 'fridge.  It seems like there are a lot of factors to play with (lignified vs. green wood, type of graft, semi-dormant vs actively growing etc).  What I hope to test is whether a CdDN on Florea behaves differently than an ungrafted CdDN in terms of ripening time and cold hardiness.  I'll grow the two side-by-side and see what happens.  Another reason for doing this would be to put multiple varieties (like three different CdDs) onto one rootstock and fit more varieties into a small space.
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Hope it works for  you Rewton. Three CDD on one tree would be very cool! One day if I can get mine established I would like to do the same thing. Im practicing my grafting on citrus right now!
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Let us know which graft techniques work out best for you. This scion-to-scion graft idea is so neat. 
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I hope all your grafts take!  It will be fun to see the results!

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Rewton,
Congratulations. Good luck with the Graft, Looking forward to the updates, thanks.
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Rewton: I got recently a Smith Cutting, and grafted it to a Black Mission, I did the Same with LSU Scott's Black and New Impr. Celeste. Recently required from a generous collector. The Cuttings looked very much alive and the 3 foot tall tree were awake. If I have continued success, will be aggressively looking for cuttings....LOL     Been avoiding cuttings due to all the loss, to those pesky Gnats.
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Hi Rewton,
I see that you're in zone7 . Have you been growing cdd in ground at your location ? With success ?

I ask that because cdd are supposed to need lot of heat and a long season to ripe.
I read that they are not adapted to my zone7. They are only adapted to the paradise of fig paradise even here.
But I haven't read reports about people failing to have cdd - and at least I don't know if the problem would be loosing the tree or loosing the crop.

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jdsfrance, I started CdD Blanc from a cutting 12 months ago and haven't tasted any fruit yet so it is too early for me to have first hand experience about whether the environment here is suited for this variety.  Others in the mid-atlantic and northeast do grow CdD varieties with success, though it seems the vast majority grow them in a container which gives them a jump on the season.  I know of a couple possible exceptions.  Tam posted on a tree only a few miles from me which appears to be CdDB.  It was planted in the ground and was ripening in September, I believe.  Also the source of my CdDN cuttings was an in-ground tree growing in my same zone and it had a ripe fruit on it in early October. But you are correct that this is an issue and this is the main reason I am attempting to get earlier ripening via grafting to a very early variety.
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CdDN has not ripen figs last yr here at 7b. but CdDB did. CdDN put on few figs, but they were late and didn't ripen. the tree is going into 3rd yr so i'm hoping to see some ripe figs this yr. 
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Pete - that's interesting - I didn't know there was a difference in ripening time between CdDB and CdDN.  Axier posted on a member of the family (Coll de Dama Blanca&Negra) that is supposed to ripen earlier than the other CdD family members but I don't know if it is being distributed in the states yet.
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i'm pretty sure someone has CdDBN. my source for the CdDB is USDA/UCD, while the CdDN is from a member who obtained it from CRFG. he's pretty sure it's CdDN. will find out this yr. the figs did go on the tree, but it was little slower than the CdDB. it might be the location of the container in my deck. CdDN was getting burnt pretty easy, so i kept it near the corner where it wasn't getting too much sun. CdDB was in the full sun all yr long. they leaf shape is very similar and so are the young figs. i waited for them to swell, but they didn't so i knock'em off by the end of the season. CdDB cont. to swell and was great last yr. very rain tolerant. 
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By the way, if you are interested in the topic of rootstocks conferring their phenotype onto the scions they carry then see this thread:

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/can-a-rootstock-advance-ripening-in-figs-6505256

Axier (and presumably others) are trying this too.  Hopefully within a couple years we will have an answer as to whether this works or not.

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Here's an update on this CdDN chip-budded onto Florea rootstock.  On Friday I decided to take the parafilm off as the graft was performed in mid-February and I figured it couldn't hurt at this point.  As you can see, since then the rootstock (which is an aggressive grower and easy to propagate) put up a shoot from a node below the surface of the soil. The chip-bud has not shown any signs of awakening, unfortunately.  It was my first attempt and the cambium really only matched on the left side.  On the other hand it seems to be firmly attached to the rootstock so there is still hope.  It's hard to say for sure whether it is viable but I suspect it is.  I guess at this point I won't mess with it further and will let this fig go through it's normal development.  Maybe once it gets out into the warm sun something will happen.

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Looks Good, Steve. My success rate went way down to 40pct success. Hey I am still happy, learned alot. Grafted a Preto to a RootStock and a CDDBlanc to a Kadota Rootstock. Lost Portugese Yellow, Jonathan's Black and some 184-15's.  Does anyone know if I should continue, its gotten pretty warm. I would think temp. would affect graft...???
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Others will know more about how temperature and humidity (or lack thereof) can affect grafting but generally Spring is a good time to do most grafts from what I understand.  In my case all the manipulations and subsequent growth (so far) have been in-doors but later I will want to do some outdoor grafting too.
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Just checked a CDD Noir, graft and it is budding, Thank You Jesus. Yes, Steve I am grafting most indoors. Some of my outdoors took.
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Hi Armando,
Normally bud grafting is done in august/September.
Fig trees being aggressive growers, it wouldn't surprise me that it would work outside of that time frame.
But, you'll need to water the rootstock more, to have more sap flow.

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You may have already seen this tool to prepare scion and root stock

http://www.scionon.com/webfiles/cart/files/SGS_Manual_Jan_2012.pdf

For the amateur grafter, it makes life not so difficult, very quickly producing the perfect cuts and slopes  for the 'whip and tongue' as well as the 'cleft graft' types, which are very popular among hobbyists-
Not cheap !

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Good to hear Steve, I've lost several chip grafts and I'm almost certain all of them will fail. Got 2 more left! Also lost 3 cleft grafts but 3 others are still alive but haven't budded out yet. The Tgrafts I' did all seem to be doing better than the other types of grafts. None have budded yet but I can see the callous where the bud is exposed through the tape. They are all green too which is promising. I do have one of your CDDN cleft grafted and it's still green and alive as far as u can tell!!! There is still hope;)
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