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Man, man; it is&is cold up here in the USA NE fig region!

Feb 15 2015 night; going by the weather-man sayings, a low 0*F with it (strong) wind-chill-factor of a fig killer of -25*F !!!

Poor them figs; I wonder if Al Gore likes or even tasted any of them good figs ...

Sorry to say;  do expect a major-heavy-big fig-loss for many of us here in Northeast 2014/5 winter.

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George, I cannot believe how hard you folks have been hammered and it looks like more to come.  That has been really ugly and I just hope everyone manages to stay safe.  Our prayers are definitely with you all up there.
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Sorry to hear George.I have family that lives in NYC and i get the news first hand. So far we have been very fortunate and blessed here in ATL, we re enjoying a very mild winter with a nice amount of chill hours during the night followed by a nice warm up during the day.I hope the darn ice age ends soon for you guys in the NE. Hang in there and stay warm.
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3 straight crappy winters, too much cold. The arctic Circle has a new home: the northeast. Yuk.
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George, We had wind chills 30 below last night, looks like it moved out your way. Not so windy now but its already -2 air temp.
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Mention Al Gore. How is he explaining all of this global warming? Oh I forgot now it's climate change, we just can't win.
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Hello from Saratoga.
All my fig trees are nice and warm in my garage,it's 40 degrees :-)
Good luck to all.

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Mention Al Gore. How is he explaining all of this global warming? Oh I forgot now it's climate change, we just can't win.


Global warming was always an oversimplified label.  Climate is a chaotic system.  If you add more energy to the system (i.e. more heat), you get bigger swings in the behavior of that system.  The average temperature is higher, but the deviations from the mean is also larger.  You get hotter hots, colder colds, more severe storms, etc.

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"The year 2014 was the warmest year across global land and ocean surfaces since records began in 1880." 
"All ten of the hottest years have come since 1988."

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/2014-officially-hottest-year-on-record/

It is global warming when you average temperatures globally.  That's the net effect but of course it's not happening evenly.  Some places are warming dramatically and others are cooling.  Hopefully these cold winters in the northeast won't be a long term trend.  Our fig friends in Australia would probably like a bit of our cool weather and precipitation as long as they don't get it during ripening season.

Anyway, I agree this sucks.  I'll be trimming a lot of dead wood off my trees come Spring.

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I hope everyone's figs make it its supposed to get down to 8° here I've never seen it that cold I don't think leaves and plastic will prevent damage from that
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Plenty of cold to go around.  Parts of western NY were down around -20, with wind chills around -40.  A little more balmy here... -9 with wind chill around -18.  Supposed to stay pretty low for another 6 days.  How are our friends up in Canada doing?

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We're looking at -13 tonight here in the Saratoga, NY area and then with 25mph winds the windchill I believe is in the -40 range.  This is gonna do some damage.
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Holy crap!  -12F at house near Oneonta, NY.  4F here in Staten Island, NY.  Fig shed is down to 26F.  :(
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Still nothing like it used to be when I was a kid.  We've hit -17F a few times in the last 2 winters, but there were winters here that went below -30F.  Hope that never happens again!  I used to tunnel through the front yard and build giant snow sculptures.  Hopefully the current cold weather will help us uncover the very hardiest figs.
Home for the holiday today...good thing because my plow guy broke his plow!!!  This has been quite the month.

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At 7am it was -28C  (-18.4F).  It is -11C in my barn.  I am afraid to look in the fig room in the barn. 

The grape wine vineyards all have their big wind machines running pushing their cold air away.

The wind machines move the cold air around and offer some protection to the grapes as shown below;  At -20C and colder vinifera grape (Merlot) buds and canes start dying at high percentages.

This is a schematic of a wind machine showing how the blades rotate, while the entire head of the fan rotates about the vertical axis of the tower. It operates in much the same way as a table top fan you might purchase from a store that blows outward, but at the same time rotates, blowing in all directions around the room over time.


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-28c -42c with the wind. Located just north of Toronto ontario canada.
Hope everyone and their trees are safe.
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I sort of liked having 4 seasons when I moved to PA, after having grown up in FL.  But waking up to -2F has made me rethink that.  A trip to Florida is sounding pretty good about now.
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Thoughts are with you folks up there...Brrrr...
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Two nights ago it snowed ~1'' dry fluffy snow around here in  NJ.
Yesterday, we drove south along the GSP/NJTP to celebrate our twin grand daughters 1st BD.
Could not help seeing the snow being blown around by the strong wind along the way, it looked almost like a fog.
At the last few miles end, we took the 'scenic view' country-route; a vineyard & a horse(stuff)site +
tree nurseries and plenty of open farm land (mostly corn or soybean as observed last summer).
There were some 'snow-fences' installed about 25' back between big fields and narrow road.
Between fences and road we noticed some very nice wind-blown snow dunes,
they looked like desert-sand dunes, we never had seen it before, pity we did not stop & took some pics ?!?
Some drift snow did make it though previously plowed road and made it almost impassible ...
Aaah, brutal winter does have some beauy in it.
Later that night my daughter (&fiance) got home to Boston, MA around 3 am (on a 6.15pm MetroPrark, NJ) train.

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"The year 2014 was the warmest year across global land and ocean surfaces since records began in 1880." 
"All ten of the hottest years have come since 1988."

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/2014-officially-hottest-year-on-record/

It is global warming when you average temperatures globally.  That's the net effect but of course it's not happening evenly.  Some places are warming dramatically and others are cooling.  Hopefully these cold winters in the northeast won't be a long term trend.  Our fig friends in Australia would probably like a bit of our cool weather and precipitation as long as they don't get it during ripening season.

Anyway, I agree this sucks.  I'll be trimming a lot of dead wood off my trees come Spring.


Lol. What a short time frame to choose, considering the planet has been here about 5 billion years, and we have millions of years of temperature records from the Antarctic.  I'm still waiting for the alarmist to explain the medieval warming period, the Roma warming, and the warmer times in every interglacial warming period, prior to all the CO2, which were all warmer than now.  And by the way, 2012 was the warmest in the U.S., not worldwide.  The global warming "scientists" don't want to look back further than about 100 years, because the data does not agree with their agenda.

Not to mention if it scientifically based, then you start with a theory, and test the theory.  Well, the theories all said it would be significantly warmer by now (Al Gore claimed the ice caps would be completely melted by 2014, yet they grew tremendously the last 2 years, and recall the "hockey stick" the professor from Penn State came up - which also proved false).  Then, when the warming didn't happen, and the Brits got caught with the emails about how to "hide the decline (in temperature) it was changed to "climate change..."  a little too convenient of a change, certainly not scientific.

You should also look at funding, which is mostly from governments, who only fund "scientists" that agree with the global warming agenda, and this community ostracizes any scientist who disagrees (how dare you claim the world is round...).  Why is that?  Well, to put it simply, money and control.  Convince the people there is an "emergency" and you can bilk them for more money and restrict their freedoms further.  Karl Marx came up with the idea of using environmental emergencies to control the people.

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The ice age didn't get my figs - it got my water pipe downstairs. Ugh. The plumber pulled a 12-inch icicle from the pipe before he mended it.
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Here in South Oshawa, Ontario, Canada we reached a low of -25C (-13F)with a wind chill in the -30's Celsius and the following two or three nights remained in the lows to mid -20's C.This year I used insulating blankets which I brought from the construction site (we put them on top of new concrete when it's cold) and the temperature inside is from 4 to 8C warmer than outside,about 7 to 14.5F).I wrapped two HC's with them and left one HC unprotected on the south side of the house.This one I planted last spring,it's 3 years old and only about two feet tall.It's covered with snow...hope it survives! The other figs are in the basement and doing well so far.
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Phil:  We don't really have any global data as far back as you're suggesting.  Antarctica is localized too, not global.  The reason there aren't satisfactory explanations for the phenomena that you cite is because there isn't any global data that reaches back that far.  (Or at least that's one of the reasons.  It is a reason that applies to the sensibilities of most reasonable people.  But the attitudes of persons who cite them as "counterexamples" may be an additional reason that any explanations for them don't qualify as satisfactory... since satisfactory is in the eye of the beholder).  They were localized phenomena, and the records of them are filled with anecdotal evidence rather than useful data on a global scale.  Just consider the amount of heat that is held in the oceans, and what is perceived to be a 1 degree change in the northern and southern zones of all of the oceans.  Given the fact that the specific heat of water is so much higher than that of air, the oceans represent a huge heat sink, compared with the amount of heat that can be quantified by measuring air temperatures.  Yet there are no records of anything resembling even a crude measurement of deep ocean water temperatures more than 100 years ago.  If you want to attack the science associated with climate change, I'd suggest you look for more scientific examples to cite.  

But don't make the mistake of thinking Al Gore is a scientist... he is a political mouthpiece, not a scientist.  (That doesn't mean he hasn't got an important role to play, but don't mistake him for a scientist).  While I agree that paying attention to research funding is important (just look at those so-called "tobacco industry scientists" who said for decades that smoking doesn't cause cancer) <<edit:  I corrected my grammar in that parenthetical statement>>, I wonder can you back up your claim that there is really any systemic collusion in government research funding that is actually based on a failure to "agree with the global warming agenda" (to quote your posting)? <<edit:  I fixed a typo in my quote of your post>>.  What I have seen is quite different:  i.e. that while it is true that some so-called scientists who are blatantly biased against climate change do not get funding, that is not because of their failure to support an agenda, but rather because they do buy into a particular agenda (or for other reasons, such as sloppy histories or evidence of zealotry rather than scientific inquiry).  << edit:  I edited that last statement to clarify my point... I had left out the verb, among other things>>.  Meanwhile, objective scientists do get funding, and I seem to recall some who published results that suggested less impact from greenhouse gases than they had originally suspected, but that did not stop them from publishing their findings.  

So you criticize others for using too short a time scale, and then you say things like "Then, when the warming didn't happen...", well I must ask you:  what makes you think that the warming didn't happen, or isn't happening?  Are you looking at global data over a long time scale? 

In summary, if your post is meant to suggest that climate change is not happening, then to me your arguments are not very satisfying. 

One thing I can agree with you about though:  the effects of this regional winter cold snap, regardless of whether it is just typical winter weather (as I suspect) or some artifact of the extreme swings predicted by various climate change models (which I don't suspect), are not good for our fig trees!  :-)  Stay warm.

Mike

<< all edits were within 9 minutes of posting, and resulted from proofreading.  I plan no further edits to the above.  Rather I will generate a new posting if I decide to clarify any of my statements further>>

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It will be interesting to see how my in ground fig trees survive the winter. I have a Macool in the middle of the yard that is not wrapped. As well as a Brooklyn White against the house that is wrapped up. It was -5 F with - 15 F windchill. 


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Bass,
If your uncovered in-ground trees have a couple feet of snow covering them they may come back from root suckers.
Sorry not what you wanted to hear but last month has been brutal.

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Happy belated birthday Bass. Are those trees at your new place?
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Whatever happened to this big guy?


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Gorgi, l just saw him on the Adirondack Northway in Saratoga:-) :-)
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