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I was just looking at the Just Fruits and Exotics web site and seen for the first time they are offering Black Maderia. I guess others have seen this as they only have one left. Good deal if your close as they sell at the nursery (pick up) for $19.99. Listed as 3 gallon, 2-3 feet.

Edit: Just looked again and I think I was wrong about just one left. The 1 was the quantity desired if you order.

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That's a great price.  Good find.
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I'd buy but shipping is nearly same as plant.
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Last year JF&E had some young Black Madeira started that I am pretty certain were not as Labeled.  I think highly of the nursery and have bought a lot of plants from them, but I just want to put some input here. I was there last fall in their growing area and saw a couple small weak 3 gal BM that looked correct.  I asked Brandy the owner about them, and she said had a bunch of better ones. When she showed them to me I told her those sure didn’t look like BM. The wood for these she had obtained from someone else that she listed by name. I don’t know the person, but am familiar with their name from NAFEX and SFF, as far as I know never saw them on the fig forums. Brandy also showed me a potted mother tree they had started from UC Davis USDA, and it looked correct. The couple weaker looking plants were not with the other young plants and the started dates that JF&E uses on their tags was older. I purchased one of these and this year it was dead on to my own BM started from UC Davis.  At that time I was there I convinced Brandy after she did some looking online that the others were not BM and she was going to remove the BM Labeling.  I obviously can't’state for certain what they have now is not true, and sure don’t want to badmouth a nursery where I have spent more money than any other, and will purchase from again. The person Brandy got the cuttings from is respected as well, but we all know how easy it is to obtain a mislabeled fig, so just putting this out there so folks are not surprised if they turn out not true. 


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Sounds like another "blue ischia" to me, but I hope it is legit. It would be great if there was now somewhere other than ebay to get this amazing variety. I am just not sure I can trust that a nursery is now selling and mass producing one of the hardest figs to obtain and root... but I hope I am wrong!
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no need to worry your little heads anymore.  they are now out of stock!
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no need to worry your little heads anymore.  they are now out of stock!


Hopefully someone here got one and can keep us informed!

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Dennis, did you just buy them out?   :)
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Now, Calvin, it wasn't me! But I did buy a few of those Black Maderia....along with some other figs. :)
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Their shipping and handling is fine with me. Considering their trees are in 3gallon and 4 can be packed in one box. And considering the fact that if I had to drive 8 hrs to get there and drive 8 more hours back and to keep in mind of the gas and wear and tear on my vehicle.....I think the 40 or 50 bucks is well worth it.

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yeah i do too and its a very high quality fig
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I bought it earlier today. I guess I'll find out one way or another.
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I bought it earlier today. I guess I'll find out one way or another.


Good luck Bill! I wonder if they have a source and plan to continue growing/selling them.

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Haha...I tried to place an order yesterday....man they sold out in less then 24 hours....oh man that's insane
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I hope its legit.  Seems like a low price for BM.
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Do these mail order nurseries use their own photos? It seems like I have seen some of the photos elsewhere. The reason I ask, the buyer is purchasing on the assumption that this has to be the real deal if the photo depicts the fig harvested from their mother tree.
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What does a photo prove?

What if there was no photo at all?

Durio Nursery sell figs all year around and no photo of figs.  Bellecare did the same thing for years.  I think legitimate nurseries are worth buying from.  It keeps them in business for the future.  :)

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What does a photo prove?

What if there was no photo at all?

Durio Nursery sell figs all year around and no photo of figs.  Bellecare did the same thing for years.  I think legitimate nurseries are worth buying from.  It keeps them in business for the future.  :)


I agree, we have all seen a few online nurseries with pictures of different varieties, but what they send is a crapshoot to if it will actually be correct. I havent dealt with this nursery and I hope the BMs are legit, I just worry it may not be the "real deal" and then there will be people next year (or even this year) trading cuttings of BM from the tree they received that are really VdB or something else. This hobby can be so confusing at times :)

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Well Dennis time will tell. I hope you are correct.
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I would not think this nursery would be trying to deceive anyone. All plants I got from them were true to type. We need to realize the Black Maderia has been popular for some time and is now greatly disseminated. I got mine less than three years ago and with not much effort have given away or sold at least a dozen and probably still have that number. The time has come for the demand and price to decline. When I first started collecting a few years ago Sals Corleone sold for over a hundred dollars for a one gallon, now nobody wants one except for the occasional crazy bid on ebay.
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Wayne, my order has been placed.  I've been informed my trees will arrive on Wednesday.  I am tickled pink!  I'm off that entire week.  Now, I've got to find room in my garage for them!  Ha!  The owners call me every year when their figs come in and I always place an order over the phone.  Their packaging is the best I've seen of any nursery.  And their trees are larger than expected. 
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I agree with you Jake, they are one of the best around, honesty without question, but did you read strudeldog's post where a mistake happened. I am very careful but I know I have made hundreds of mistakes in my lifetime, and I am sure there are several "mistakes" that all of us have purchased at some time, even from reputable people. We hear this time and time again. I definitely will purchase from JF & E without a second thought. This is not a money issue, its a possible mistake issue. And, I still can not understand why some people feel a person has the right to use photos owned by someone else without permission, I guess I need a refresher course.
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They have a few available again.
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I agree with you Jake, they are one of the best around, honesty without question, but did you read strudeldog's post where a mistake happened. I am very careful but I know I have made hundreds of mistakes in my lifetime, and I am sure there are several "mistakes" that all of us have purchased at some time, even from reputable people. We hear this time and time again. I definitely will purchase from JF & E without a second thought. This is not a money issue, its a possible mistake issue. And, I still can not understand why some people feel a person has the right to use photos owned by someone else without permission, I guess I need a refresher course.


Absolutely, Wayne. Living only a few miles from JF&E, I am a big booster of this nursery, but even the best can make mistakes.
Point in fact, I bought a Nero from them last year that produced light colored figs this year. I haven't notified them yet, but would be surprised if they didn't make good on their error.



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they should at least show u some pics will u guys post pics when they arrive
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No shipping to CA :(


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Just is case it wasn’t clear in my prior post I DO like JF&E. I have spent more money with them than any other Nursery, and will continue to purchase from them. Their selection on Persimmon is one of the best.   I don’t know these BM are even the same ones I observed when I was there, as like I stated they were going to remove BM labeling, but even then maybe they changed their mind. Mine is one opinion and I expressed it to the owner, I sincerely hope Folks do receive BM, and what you receive will be the true judge. Coming from FL they might even have leaves remaining so Dennis, Bill and others might even get a good indication on arrival. Maybe I should have stated nothing, but I wanted folks at least aware of what I observed.  All nurseries make mistakes. It is not an attempt to deceive by them, and I am thrilled to see a nursery try to offer the best cultivars they can. They are charging the same reasonable price as for any other fig they offer.  


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Strudeldog, man it's all good!  I'm glad you got the opportunity to visit and see her stock.  I did the exact same thing.  Three years ago, I drove to Houston Texas.  On my way, I visited Petal from the Past, Durio Nursery, and James Robin.  PFTP was quite impressive and spacious!  Durio and JR trade from time to time.  It's good to visit nurseries first hand.  That way you can see for yourself how they are caring for their plants and see where they get them from.  I'm thinking about revisiting them again in March!  I've just been notified by UPS that my trees are here!  YEA!  If my trees have leaves, I will post pictures of them.  
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Congratulations Dennis, please keep us updated, I am still waiting for their Miss Hall and a couple of others that are not even listed anymore.
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Dennis the suspense is killing us! We need pics! :-)
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I saw the Black Madeira on there website a few days ago while looking for Asian Persimmions and though that sounds to good to be true so didn't buy one as I had no experience with this nursery.  Oh well from what people are saying it seems like a nice nursery and maybe where I get my Persimmions.
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I saw the Black Madeira on there website a few days ago while looking for Asian Persimmions and though that sounds to good to be true so didn't buy one as I had no experience with this nursery.  Oh well from what people are saying it seems like a nice nursery and maybe where I get my Persimmions.


Check Stark Bros. for persimmons. We bought paw paws and a Saijo persimmon from them and they were nice.
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Sorry, my package was from Petals from the Past.  May come today or tomorrow.  More to come....
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I ended up getting one of these for my brother in law for Christmas. It arrived today and he sent me a few pics.

It is a good size tree, but mostly only new leaves on it, so hard to tell what variety it is... Thoughts?






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Looks really nice Nick, good size and everything looks promising, even the broken piece will make a wonderful cutting.
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I got an eMail from them saying they Madeira is back in stock...if anybody wants it...
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Thank you for the heads up Aaron.
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Just to be clear everyone, Im not confirming this as Black Madeira. If anything, my money is still on no, but I wont be able to tell until it leafs out better. My BIL is in Georgia, so hopefully it wont go dormant.
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It's worth a shot. Even if it's not, could still be a great fig. I guess only time will tell. 
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My brother in law tangoed with me today and showed me the leaves on his Black Madeira NOT. I am pretty certain at this point it is not a black madeira. He's in Georgia and is starting to develop figs, so we should be able to confirm it isn't later this summer. It had a lot of five lobed leaves.
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Yea Johnny all my black madeiras have zero five lobed leaves.
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I just asked my brother in law for updated pictures of his JFE Black Madeira NOT. He is outside Savanah,GA. There is little doubt in my mind that this is NOT a Black Madeira.






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Thank for updating this post. You just saved me some money.
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It is probably a "black fig from Madeira" and still could be black but does not look like an infamous BM .

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It is probably a "black fig from Madeira" and still could be black but does not look like an infamous BM .


Maybe, or they may have bought cuttings from an unreliable source and it is Hardy Chicago.

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Posting in this thread as well as the two others regarding JF&E Black Madeira...
Ok I have an update. Brandy at JF&E contacted me today in repsonse to my email. She was extremely nice and very upset about the mix up. She provided me a copy of her USDA receipt from 2008, to show the authenticity of their Black Madeira. She also provided a picture of their mother plant:



There were also two pictures of child plants:





The pictures she provided look exactly like Black Madeira. Brandy was also very insistent that JF&E has a strong "true to name" gaurantee. I told her my Brother's tree was healthy, so no need for a refund, but that I would like to purchase another true Black Madeira. She insisted that I not pay since I did not get the correct variety.

Mistakes happen. Sometimes cuttings get dropped, swapped, confused, etc. The important thing is once realized, the seller makes good.

Two important things to note:
1) JF&E appears to have a true Black Madeira UCD
2) There was a mixup with at least a couple of their trees
3) They are willing to ensure their customers are happy

I will report back when I receive the replacement tree next week.

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I purchased a "black madeira" from them this spring... also producing 5 lobed leaves and its first fruit are beginning to color... Ill post photos of it tomorrow.  Also seems to be a mix-up and am wondering what it could be -- Nero or Beall?  A bird got to my first ripening fig last week and the interior almost seemed white...


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I am glad this is all coming out, and JF&E is doing the right thing. Look Back to my post #4 in this thread. I wish they would have left the labeling off those young plants back then. I bet Brandy wishes that as well. I actually tried to make contact with who she listed as the source for this cuttings a few weeks ago when pictures started showing of the plants, I might try further to contact him  for a possibility of the history of this plant.  Not only the leaves but the vigor of the plant made me quite certain. I saw their real BM when I was there.
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I received the replacement Black Madeira from JF&E last night...



As far as I can tell, it looks to be a Black Madeira. I won't know for sure until it fruits.

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Excellent! Hope it's the right one! I should have 2 on the way soon.
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