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The best fig ever but for the California folks only.
This is Smyrna and needs pollination. Super vigorous and healthy tree.
Only 3 cuttings. $50 for all, shipping included. Just cut.
PM me.

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The best fig ever but for the California folks only. This is Smyrna and needs pollination. Super vigorous and healthy tree. Only 3 cuttings. $50 for all, shipping included. Just cut. PM me.


Igor,
Have you managed to taste this fig ?
or this will happen this season ..?

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Francisco, I've enjoyed reading your enthusiastic posts about this variety and have two cuttings from another source that are now rooting and sprouting out. Hopefully they will continue to grow as well as they have so far. You described the taste beautifully:
"I may say, that when I finish eating a dozen or so.. a flavor and taste not far from fruit/ chocolate/marzipan remains in the palate for quite sometime. I cannot tell if it comes from the skin, flesh, syrup, those many crunchy seeds,...for sure it come from that combination all together. And it's divine! will have more tonight." 
This variety sounds like one of the best for our area. 

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If only i had a wasp colonized male.
This 2 gallons tree was randomly fertilized . Fruit should have ripened more but the color of ghe skin and interior are telling of its potential.

Francisco lets see this year if the wasp come to my place.

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hello. pm sent. thanks
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Francisco,

I had 2 figs that appeared late in the season, they didn't ripen.
I hope to see more this summer. The tree is super vigorous grower and very thick.

All, the cuttings are long gone. I traded them in. That price was not real, you cannot price a really good thing :)
It was mainly to see who really wants them and was able to provide the wospy conditions.

I will post any fig development updates.

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Next year I'll get some!
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I had a ripe fruit but a bird beat me to it, very disappointing!
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Francisco hi.
How is it possible to grow a wasp colonized tree in a pot- any issues ?

How many mammoni can i get ??

Also a friend asked how many wasps can each mammony release? What is the caprification potential for a single mammoni?

Thanks

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Elin, I can respond sufficiently, I believe.  I have about 15 different caprifig in so-called "trade" 15 gallon pots.  They were in 5 gallon pots in 2014 and moved into the larger pots in spring of 2015.  Not all of them had mamme crop over this winter but all of them are now of sufficient size to have profichi.  I believe they will be large enough in these pots by the end of this year to have regular crops of mamme, profichi, and mammoni crops and sustain a good population of wasps.

The purpose of me growing them in pots is so that their location can be flexible as I don't want them right in my regular fig orchard since excess pollination can result in fruit splitting, etc.

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Francisco, I've enjoyed reading your enthusiastic posts about this variety and have two cuttings from another source that are now rooting and sprouting out. Hopefully they will continue to grow as well as they have so far. You described the taste beautifully:
"I may say, that when I finish eating a dozen or so.. a flavor and taste not far from fruit/ chocolate/marzipan remains in the palate for quite sometime. I cannot tell if it comes from the skin, flesh, syrup, those many crunchy seeds,...for sure it come from that combination all together. And it's divine! will have more tonight." 
This variety sounds like one of the best for our area. 


Mara,
IP's , like all other figs, will start giving  their best fruit by the 3rd, 4th year, around 3rd week of July.
Given the right attentions it will be very prolific showing in many instances quite large figs.
They may also 'pull yr leg', by showing around April a few nice fat 'brebas' which, just like Zidi, days  later will shrink and drop to the ground.
Among Smyrnas and Smyrnoids  , and IMO, IP shows the highest caprification efficiency, very rarely showing fruit failing pollination.. late grand dad would say they are magnets for  wasps,  pulling them from long distances.
And once pollinated..they tell us 'it's done'!  by changing its skin color from shiny green to matte emerald with fine white speckles.
The pulps at ripeness  are always full, and light strawberry but moving  fast into a,  syrupy crystalline  amber and full of crunchy seeds if left on the tree  for an extra day or two.

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Thanks Harvey.
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If only i had a wasp colonized male. This 2 gallons tree was randomly fertilized . Fruit should have ripened more but the color of ghe skin and interior are telling of its potential. Francisco lets see this year if the wasp come to my place.


Eli,
If you managed to pollinate the IP you show, it's because wasp or wasps come from a nearby caprifig.
You need to root 2 or 3 Caprifigs in pots near the IP, and let them grow side by side.
IP fruit, when receptive attract wasps and this is good to pollinate the receptive figs as well as to provide caprification for the eventual  mammonis on the Caprifigs.
Ideally you should try and find a good Caprifig regularly showing its crops every season and air-layer a branch of it.. This, in my view should be the best way to bring to the orchard a live caprifig quickly

On your questions about Mammoni, let me say that nobody can predict how many of these figs will show up. This particular crop is the most elusive of the three crops,  and on many years there is none!..
Bear in mind that these Mammoni figs when receptive receive pollen and wasps from the Profichi.
They are built with the modified female flowers (the galls)  to lodge the wasp egg as well as some genuine female flowers with long pistils just like any summer edible fig. These flowers are pollinated when wasps enter the Mammoni thus producing fertile seeds.
There is no pollen generated inside the Mammoni  figs.
Mammonis warrant survival for the wasps during summer.

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Francisco, I had 2 figs that appeared late in the season, they didn't ripen. I hope to see more this summer. The tree is super vigorous grower and very thick. All, the cuttings are long gone. I traded them in. That price was not real, you cannot price a really good thing :) It was mainly to see who really wants them and was able to provide the wospy conditions. I will post any fig development updates.


Igor,

When starting a crop it's always like that. Those two figs failed pollination as they were receptive too late and after wasps had gone.
IP's, depending on cultivation practices and climate, show up around mid May and 4 to 5 weeks later, they are ready for pollination.
Given its appetite for pollen, one has to exercise some form of control to avoid splitting as Harvey suggests on his post.

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Thank you , Francisco, for your suggestions.
During this first complete season I will let it be without any interference.
Maybe the IP would be absolutely happy :)
An Unk. Pastilliere that is next to IP, has never split a fig.


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Francisco, thanks for all this information. The flavor sounds amazing. An early fig is always appreciated. Hopefully my rooting twigs will make it to the fruiting stage next year. 
How does Inchário Preto compare with Inchário Branco? Are they related to each other? There was a lot of information about IP but I couldn't find as much about IB, especially how it tasted, other than it had a strong berry taste and was aromatic. I have two IB twigs developing now but am not sure if they will root or not. 

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Mara,
IP's , like all other figs, will start giving  their best fruit by the 3rd, 4th year, around 3rd week of July.
Given the right attentions it will be very prolific showing in many instances quite large figs.
They may also 'pull yr leg', by showing around April a few nice fat 'brebas' which, just like Zidi, days  later will shrink and drop to the ground.
Among Smyrnas and Smyrnoids  , and IMO, IP shows the highest caprification efficiency, very rarely showing fruit failing pollination.. late grand dad would say they are magnets for  wasps,  pulling them from long distances.
And once pollinated..they tell us 'it's done'!  by changing its skin color from shiny green to matte emerald with fine white speckles.
The pulps at ripeness  are always full, and light strawberry but moving  fast into a,  syrupy crystalline  amber and full of crunchy seeds if left on the tree  for an extra day or two.

Francisco
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I can't wait to get mine going. Just received them today! Big fat cuttings thanks again Igor. You are very generous.
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Francisco, do you think there is every a disadvantage of the caprifig being too close to Inchario Preto?  Some other varieties seem more prone to splitting if they are pollinated excessively.  Is this not the case with Inchario Preto?
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Francisco, do you think there is every a disadvantage of the caprifig being too close to Inchario Preto?  Some other varieties seem more prone to splitting if they are pollinated excessively.  Is this not the case with Inchario Preto?


Harvey,
I see what you mean.
Seen the results of excessive pollination on Inchários on rare occasions
Done moderately it will take it very well, gets heavier and starts stretching the skin fending vertically as I have shown on a few occasions (same as Zidi) . Ostiole integrity seems to be generally untouched
As a rule farmers plant one caprifig centered in their IP or IB orchards say, 1 wild for every group of 20/25  smyrnas
Individually on backyards in towns and villages, many do not bother to bring in caprifigs..with more or less insects in the area, the pheromones cast by the female flowers of both IP/IB take care of the process and wasps never fail to be at the 'rendez-vous'.
On more difficult locations, owners bud a couple of 'gemmas' on an external branch of the tree, thus to maintain a private colony of insects.. and this is more than enough,.. when if becomes excessive they prune the Caprifig branches after the Profichi crop maintaining the shoots of the year, some already showing a few Mammoni, just like one does with the San Pedro or Cachopeiras.
wasp predators, abundant in these areas also help to contain excesses,  trimming the more dense flocks
The only problem I see to contribute to an eventual splitting apart from too much pollination, could be the humidity levels through the last few days of ripening.

This pretty Inchário Preto  shows the result of the right amount of wasp service.
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If left on their own, they will damage the poor fig !
The spiders may be busy with something else or looking on some other direction...  soon they will spot these wasps and trim this mushroom queuing !


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Francisco

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Wow Francisco thank you for explaining that and the beautiful pictures.
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