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I found these articles about growing figs, mostly Ronde De Bordeaux, commercially in South Africa.

http://www.farmersweekly.co.za/crops/field-crops/finding-the-fig-niche/

http://www.avarietyoffruits.com/2015/8/25/ronde-de-bordeaux/


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My RDB's - I have 3 in my orchard - look a lot like the figs pictured in the second link but not like those in the first link.
I love RDB and intend to add more this Spring.


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I'll be in Johannesburg next Sunday. I'll let you know how they taste.

Actually I will be nowhere close to there. I'll be heading east and the nursery is by Cape Town. (West Coast)

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This is my favorite variety for here so it is interesting to see these articles.
Too bad no one has figured out how to ship ones that are actually ripe.

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Mine have all been the blacker version.

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Same here Doug. Mine a jet black. It's my wife's favorite black fig. My in-ground tree use to be huge, not anymore!
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Dang, wish I was able to help you but the drive alone would kill my back.
Your in grounds will probably just grow right back.
I don't protect my trees because I physically do not have it in me.
But they keep growing back even stronger!
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Very nice read.  RdB would make a serious market competitor.  I love dried figs and it seems the only varieties used commercially in most areas are the Black Missions, Kadota and Turkish.  I wonder what other forum members would choose if they were going to do a massive commercial grow in their current regions.  Anyone have any thoughts?  It would have been cool if the article had more pictures.
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I had a couple RdB cuttings gifted to me a couple years ago but I failed at rooting them.  Anybody have a couple?
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I really enjoyed reading those articles, Thanks.
I have a few different RdB's from a few different sources. When its ripe, I think this is one of the absolute best figs I've ever eaten. 
A former "IT" fig, this can be gotten very reasonably, comparatively.
It's a no brainer


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Good read
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A more recent article.

http://www.freshplaza.com/article/171365/Fig-exports-from-South-Africa-steadily-on-the-rise

I like how they give the pros and cons.

The size problem is interesting. They average 20g in Africa, but are larger if it is misty. They would like an average of 50g Ronde De Bordeaux figs. Which would increase size/profit by 150%.

What size are people in different climates able to get?

I am getting 30-35g RDB, but I'm not sure if I could get to 50g without reducing flavor/quality. My environment is humid, misty, rainforest/cloud forest. I am wondering if that is even a reasonable average size goal, or if it genetically unlikely to be achievable for that variety...

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Yes, read all these articles, thanks.

If "they" want a bigger fig, they need to trial some bigger cultivars.

As for RDB, I finaly have 2 mini trees after my first attempt 1.5 years ago failed.

Maybe in 3 years Ill get back to everyone on taste. :)

Nepolitana Negra might be a contender for production down there...big and is supposed to have Mission like taste (good). It must be a commercial cultivar in spain for certain qualities...wonder if it ships as good as RDB?

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http://www.woolworths.co.za/store/prod/Food/Food/Fruit-Vegetables-Salads/Fresh-Fruit/Figs-Pomegranates-Dates-Other/Ronde-de-Bordeaux-Figs-140g/_/A-6009101408191

I found a picture of RDB for sale in packaging with price. 26.99r 140g =1.97 U.S. That is about $7.00 a pound.

I have five mission type figs. Napolitana Negra is the best out of the five. It is fast producing, prolific and has very large figs. I don't know if I could even get a 50g Napolitana Negra. They are easily 90-110g, on very young trees. 100g average would be no problem. The taste is also very good. Certainly another high potential commercial fig.

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I bought some RdB cuttings off ebay last summer--my first attempt at rooting. From about a dozen, only two survive today. One continues to hang on to life by a thread, one leaf at a time (which is better than no leaves, for sure). The other started doing well very late in the season, so I didn't let it go dormant (kept it under a weak grow light). It's had probably 15 or so leaves, and while non have been particularly huge, none of them have had the long fingers I see on the older RdB trees I've seen in pictures. So I'm worried I've been toiling for nonsense :)
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What an interesting article. I have three RdB from three different sources. It’s one of my favorites but for me it’s a fussy tree. Some years it refuses to produce any fruit at all. Unknown Pastilliere, a Smyrna, is similar: round, black, very sweet, ripens around the same time but is slightly larger. It always fruits and has fruit on it now, unlike the RdBs. The trees are all under five years of age so that might be the problem.

I wonder what variety the Parisian tree is that they grow commercially.

“During the summer harvest time, I try to irrigate for three to four hours daily to keep the soil moist,” Hanro says. “In the hot season, it’s better to give the trees a little water daily rather than more water once or twice a week. I use a tensiometer to measure soil moisture and irrigate accordingly.”

I guess waiting for the leaves to droop before watering is too late. Keeping the soil in pots moist is a challenge here in extreme heat.

“Hanro says that for the two or three days around the full moon, the figs ripen faster due to the increased light. Heat also causes faster ripening.”

Has anyone else noticed figs ripening faster around the full moon?


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No, and here in Western PA we have pretty strong moonshine  :)
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Found something else. From 12:00-13:00 minutes Pierre Baud talks about RDB in Africa. But the entire presentation was interesting and informative.

Great video. It deserves it's own thread. 

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wow, great informative articles, thanks for posting 

Here in Houston higher end restaurants pay around 6 to 10 per pd, whole



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I guess I was wrong.  They can be over 50 grams average.  I just got 3 nice size RDB figs and its been really dry the last few months.  Great looking and great tasting figs.  Skin is paper thin and nice and chewy.  Interior is syrupy and berry flavored.  Definitely a high quality fig and very fast fruiting as well as very early, these are my first ripe main crop figs of 2017.  Here are pics of my first 3.     

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I was gifted 2 Rdb cuttings just earlier this week. Now I have all fingers crossed that I can get them to root (it my first attempt). Wish me luck. Thanks for the gift.
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They sure are purty.  Lucky (or talented) you ;-)
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Great video. It deserves it's own thread. 


Is this link still up?  Can't seem to find it.

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@GregMartin:
https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/pierre-bauds-french-fig-presentation-8464998?highlight=baud&pid=1295279203

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Thanks Figgysid!  Somehow I missed that one.
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