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Who in the Hell are you? You have posted one comment and then you try to tear down a person's reputation! Did  you order any trees? If  not, you need to  stay out of this you Idiot! You have been a member here 5 hours!


I'm sure he is a forum member afraid to use his real screen name. That's a shame.
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I'm sure he is a forum member afraid to use his real screen name. That's a shame.



I believe you are right and sounds like it could be someone who is a competitor!

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No he is not a competitor, I figured who he is...just Probably somebody who invested a lot of capital...
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I believe you are right and sounds like it could be someone who is a competitor!


I suppose you have some proof for that, Frank?

I've been silent here about this although many people have asked my thoughts about this.  This is my only post on the matter under any ID, FYI.

I wish everyone the best, seriously.  I don't mind competition one bit.

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Regardless of the back and forth, some good points were made and now I am more concerned than ever.  What we really need is for James to make a 100% honest post about where he is the process, and when things are going to actually start happening.  Many of you don't want the trees you ordered just yet due to heat and personal reasons, I on the other hand would like to receive the goods I paid for and was promised in early July.  As a business owner I fully understand that things happen and sometime you have to shift the schedule to the right.  When this happens, it is imperative that there be great deal of communication going on particularly when the funds have already been received on promised goods. 

I know he is very busy, but to busy for a quick update? When I clicked on his user name it said he had not logged in for 11 days and had not posted for a month.

James, Please let us know how things are coming.
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I'm sure he is a forum member afraid to use his real screen name. That's a shame.


Competitor whose business of selling cuttings/trees on eBay will be killed with prices GreenFin can provide.




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I've been following this thread almost since I joined the forum earlier this summer. I don't have any skin in the game for 2016 although in all honesty, I also have now made nominal purchases of both cuttings and rooted plants for 2017 as I am also looking to make additional cutting purchases from some of the other members / sources as they become available. I surely hope that James is able to fulfill the commitments that were made by accepting the purchase orders. I guess in hindsight, the only thing at this point, that we can be certain of is that James perhaps overestimated his ability to convert his mother stock into additional marketable stock. Perhaps as a first effort in this space, he should have set an 'end of sale' counter that would have been triggered at a preset value so that the orders did not just keep on coming in until the end date. Looking in the rear view mirror is easy, executing against a deliverable when all the chips don't fall as was optimistically expected... not so much....

In any case, I am rooting for James to be successful even if he is late. I am also rooting for him to be able to also manage his 2017 orders that have been accepted to date; perhaps even shut down any additional orders if that hasn't happened yet so that the 2017 mountain to climb doesn't overwhelm what appears to be an already strained operation.

Not sure what recourse anyone would have if the worst case scenario plays out and James is unable to fulfill 100% of his 2016 orders; will he be able to refund those unfulfilled 2016 orders? What about the 2017 orders already in the bank?  What does it mean for his future in the nursery business if things go south? Once burned, twice shy as the saying goes.... Let's all hope that that scenario doesn't play out....

Even though I have only been a part of this forum for a relatively short while, I am certain that folks on this forum are a very generous people and most everyone will gladly give James the extra latitude he may need to complete his phase 1 project(even above and beyond the latitude already given on the deliverable slippages); he should take the opportunity to clear the air, bare his soul and let everyone know what is happening since we are in September; I hope everyone finds satisfaction in the end game.

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Competitor whose business of selling cuttings/trees on eBay will be killed with prices GreenFin can provide.


It's quite possible some sellers did lose business due to the $7 trees.  On the other hand, we don't know that any more than we know when we will get those $7 trees.  If the $7 trees are a pipe dream, though, it would be unfortunate that sellers lost sales because of it.  So, even if they are sellers that are questioning the situation, they a) are in a good position to know how feasible what he's doing is, and b) would reasonably be concerned if it's not feasible, both for their businesses and the buyers.

I honestly believe GreenFin has every intention of delivering the trees, eventually.  I just don't know if it's possible.  I imagine with each delay, it becomes harder and harder for him to post here because he knows he's behind.  The problem is, that silence is feeding back into a concern that he's bit off more than he can chew--and if so, what will happen?

Again, I wish him luck.  And if it helps, I'll take my trees last or not at all.  I can survive without them.

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So, what he is going to do with all this trees, eat them for breakfast? Give him a break….

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If I understand correctly, he's going to let them grow big enough to start new trees from those trees, so he can meet the orders.  This is expected to take another 6-8 weeks.  Well, actually, that picture is old, so he probably already did that with those trees.

Does anyone know how many trees in total were even ordered? I imagine quite a few people ordered 10+ trees.

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I'm fairly new to this forum and don't post very much; but I emailed James
today in regards to my 2016 order. He promptly responded and apologized
for the unexpected delay, and reassured me that I would receive my plants.
He's determined to see this project through, and I believe him. As was previously
stated, he has to do one more propagation cycle, and he could not provide an 
exact delivery date, but he does not think they'll be ready to ship for a couple
of months. I don't know why he hasn't posted an update. I think he's just
overwhelmed with the amount of work involved and didn't allow for set backs
that every new business encounters. I think he's a stand up guy and will
deliver as he promised.

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I personally would not buy from anybody else this season, probably next season too- his prices and trees are looking good. And list of varieties and starter trees just endless. I already posted his information on my Facebook and few garden forums- hope he will get many more orders and will be able to do more such projects.

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Give him a break….


Well I think the majority of folks here have given him a break. With the exception of a few critical posts most are expressing concern. Concern is warranted IMO not apologetics. As I have said it is a little early to storm the castle IMO, but to overlook legitimate concerns and substantive failures to deliver is not wise at this point. You might ask, what point are we at, what failures? OK, we have a failure to deliver trees that were paid for at a revised delivery schedule James himself posted (end of August). We have a failure to communicate, both the status of the project and any updated delivery projections (he responded to my initial email but did not post an update here as he indicated he would). We have a failure of the business model... not only has the initial phase failed to deliver by revised projected delivery dates but he has expanded his sales offerings by expanding beyond the 2016 and 2017 trees for sale by offering cuttings for sale this winter that includes some of the very same varieties he has indicated a difficulty propogating that has resulted in the failure to meet delivery projections... if you are having difficulty meeting the first phase of the project why open a third phase that utilizes resources that should be dedicated to ensuring phase 1 and 2 are completed and delivered successfully?

I don'the know all of the details and I have tempered my concern with a desire to give the benefit of the doubt, but the margins are slim and I do not think anyone can say concern is not warranted or that James should be "given a break". It is simple business, delivery is expected on goods that have been paid for... and when difficulties arise clear communication and honest effort is required. I too hope he can pull this together, but anyone who has paid $$$$ has a legitimate right to be concerned based on performance to date.
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" but anyone who has paid $$$$ has a legitimate right to be concerned based on performance to date. "    


True, but seems like unknown   member, who started this storm , not even a concerned buyer..... 

       
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He hasn't come through for spring of 2016! Take your money elsewhere. I can't believe the moderator has let this scam stay active for so long.


He (Greenfin) is only less than 1.5 months as off the initial ship date...

Calling this a "scam" when the individual shows you his infrastructure and plants is really low and uncalled for.

Greenfin's cuttings from the early fall rooted well, and the leaves appear to match variety...my Hollier fig is now really too tall and whipy at over 7ft! :)

I expect the goal post will be moved one last time, and we all will get our trees.

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" but anyone who has paid $$$$ has a legitimate right to be concerned based on performance to date. "    


True, but seems like unknown   member, who started this storm , not even a concerned buyer..... 

       

Well I am a concerned buyer, and I was so concerned I contacted James directly. I am still concerned. The issue at hand is the performance of James to deliver to paid customers products he has committed to deliver and provide clear communication when difficulties are encountered. While I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt, that is the issue at hand, and there is a clear basis to be concerned based on performance.
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You were not the one who started this conversation with a rude and strange tone.
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Competitor whose business of selling cuttings/trees on eBay will be killed with prices GreenFin can provide.






Not that anyone will believe me, but I am not concerned about fig prices. I have sold some cuttings but am not in the business and am not a competitor. Merely a hobbyist concerned that people may lose their money.

Besides, a legitimate business does not sell fig futures but rather plant material on hand.

Edit to add: once again, I sincerely hope he comes through may order next year if he does. But there is no evidence he had come through for anyone despite claims of shipping. Some pictures from a greenhouse mean nothing to me. In fact, it makes me more wonder how he can keep these dozens/hundreds of varieties straight. I have experience in nurseries, keeping things organized is critical to preventing mistakes. But hopefully greenfin will arrive and dispel any doubts shortly as repeatedly promised.
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Babylon, since you created a 2nd ID to post your concerns it takes away validity to your motive. However, I do think this discussion needed to happen.
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Uh....Nickdef....

Considering the way some have been treated here for raising concerns in the past, I don't blame Babyln one single bit for using a sock puppet account for this.

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" but anyone who has paid $$$$ has a legitimate right to be concerned based on performance to date. "    


True, but seems like unknown   member, who started this storm , not even a concerned buyer..... 

       


Regardless of who did or did not say it first, we have all been thinking it!!  I for one am glad that the elephant in the room is being addressed.

Missing a self set dead line... or two is one thing, the lack of communication is one of the loudest bells here.  There is time to add updates the website for 2017 but not add a few quick notes here?

Not say that James is or has, yet this where the lies start to CYA.  Claims have been made that James has stated to some people that emails have gone out and the first wave of trees was already shipped.  Okay, to whom?  There has been NO posts here from anyone stating that they received an email or trees. We all know how exited we would be to get either and a post would DEFINITELY follow it.  I know I will post when I get my shipping notification.
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Uh....Nickdef....

Considering the way some have been treated here for raising concerns in the past, I don't blame Babyln one single bit for using a sock puppet account for this.


Uh...DBJohnson.....
It shows a cowardness and lack of integrity. I know all I ever need to know about Babylon and now you. Bunch of candy asses that act like school girls talking trash behind someone's back. I have no problem about anyone speaking their mind even if it has cruel intentions. But put on your big girl panties and stand behind your words and not hide behind a fake screen name.
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Fair enough...I see you're one of the ones here is that advocates crucifying folks for voicing their opinions.... Have fun with your future Ponzi schemes.
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Uh...DBJohnson..... It shows a cowardness and lack of integrity. I know all I ever need to know about Babylon and now you. Bunch of candy asses that act like school girls talking trash behind someone's back. I have no problem about anyone speaking their mind even if it has cruel intentions. But put on your big girl panties and stand behind your words and not hide behind a fake screen name.



Hey Nick..Thanks, for commenting like a Man, instead of a Girl!!

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Fair enough...I see you're one of the ones here is that advocates crucifying folks for voicing their opinions.... Have fun with your future Ponzi schemes.


Please re-read my comment. I don't have an issue with anyone speaking their mind. It can also be as mean spirited as you like. My issue is with creating a 2nd screen name to carry it out.

@Frank...thanks
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Please re-read my comment. I don't have an issue with anyone speaking their mind. It can also be as mean spirited as you like. My issue is with creating a 2nd screen name to carry it out.

@Frank...thanks


I don't think there is much more to add to this conversation other than that I do not have another screen name. If asked politely and privately, I likely would have told you who I am. But the bullying has closed that door.

Bullying reveals the true colors of people. Be well and good luck.
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I suppose you have some proof for that, Frank?

I've been silent here about this although many people have asked my thoughts about this.  This is my only post on the matter under any ID, FYI.

I wish everyone the best, seriously.  I don't mind competition one bit.




Yes, I'm checking right now, I may have the proof! Some people at a Fig Tasting  were mentioning the word   Ponzi Scheme!!



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Yes, I'm checking right now, I may have the proof! Some people at a Fig Tasting  were mentioning the word   Ponzi Scheme!!




Good luck with your proof.  I had heard at least one person say it was probably a ponzi scheme but I don't think that's the case and I have no idea who Babylon is.  Someone may have asked me about it during my tasting and I may have commented about that, I don't recall.  I don't really have any inside information nor do you, I assume.

James is someone I've known for several years (prior to figs) and he's been a good customer of mine.  I have done extremely well myself this year so I certainly have not been hurt by James' offerings.  James has also wished me well as I have for him.  I also have not ordered anything from James, though I did consider it earlier this year but really don't need more than what I have already.  As I've said before, I hope this works out well for everyone involved.

I think you should just hold yourself to the same standard that you set for some that made critical comments.  Speculation does no good for anyone.  This stuff about talking like a man or a girl is nonsense, IMO.


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Sorry about the lack of updates, here's a link to an update I just posted: http://www.figcuttings.com/2016/09/fig-propagation-project-update.html

I'll re-post it here later after I adjust the formatting so that it will look right.

Again I'm very sorry about the lack of good communication, I know it's important.  I'll get back to doing weekly updates from now on.

I promise that all of you will get your trees, and I will do whatever I can to make it up to you for them being late.

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Fig Propagation Project update

Covered figs--

Here are a bunch of potted figs that were up-potted and moved into this shadehouse a day or two before this pic (which is why they're pouting a little bit).  There are around 600 trees in this pic, and there are about 600 more that are this same size/age that aren't pictured.  

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I still have plants from multiple generations floating in wading pools inside swimming pools in one tunnel, here's what they look like (note that I've lowered the water level to give them more headroom).

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The 2nd and 3rd year figs that I have outside in-ground have been flourishing.  Many are over 7' tall and loaded with fruit.  All of this wood will be pruned at dormancy and used to supply cuttings and rooted fig trees.
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Here's a pic showing part of the outdoor orchard expansion.  I've got around 150 varieties planted in-ground so far. 
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Notes

I am behind pace, but the project is still progressing and looks like it will be a success.  There have been a number of obstacles that sprang up and had to be solved along the way, and those slowed me down, but they didn't derail the project, they just slowed it down.  So even though I'm behind pace, the amount of fig wood is starting to accumulate very fast at this stage, and soon I'll have enough to prune/root/ship to everyone.

There are around a dozen varieties that have grown slowly and are primarily responsible for the delay (Black Madeira, Figo Preto, I-258, Maltese Beauty, Native de Argentile, Abebereira, etc).  There's a 'double whammy' effect, too: not only are these the slowest rooters/growers, they were the most requested, too, so they affect the vast majority of orders.  The most salient example is Black Madeira.  I have around 20 Black Madeira mother plants that range from 1-4 feet tall, and I need to produce around 150 small well-rooted Black Madeiras to ship.  If I get an average of 7 cuttings per mother plant and root them all, I would have about the right amount.  But whereas my success rate rooting the vast majority of varieties is around 90%, Black Madeira is more like 50%.  That means that I might just get around 70 new Black Madeira plants to survive the rooting process out of the 140 cuttings.  But while the slower propagation rate is disappointing, it certainly isn't the end of the world!  The total number of Black Madeiras is still growing exponentially, and down the road a little bit when I prune those 90 Black Madeiras (the 20 existing mothers plus the 70 new ones) and get perhaps 500-600 cuttings, that poor propagation rate should still yield 200-300 new Black Madeira trees.  So there should be more than enough Black Madeiras to go around soon, it'll just take another rooting cycle.  Even in a worst case scenario in which it requires 2 more rooting cycles, I would still be able to finish them this winter and get them shipped out as soon as weather permits, since I'll be growing in heated greenhouses all fall and winter.

I openly admit that I have failed to uphold my end of the deal by failing to have the trees ready on time, and I fully recognize that I therefore owe you all something extra, not just as fair compensation for your long wait, but as an apology, too.  I am open to all ideas and would appreciate input.  What I want to have happen is for everyone to get enough 'extras' that they feel like they still got a good deal overall in spite of the long wait.  I was thinking that free cuttings might be good, maybe giving everybody vouchers or coupons for some number of free cuttings down the road.  Giving partial refunds is another idea, although with $7 trees I'm already selling them at cost with no profit.  Another idea is to do special favors, like allowing people to make substitutions on their orders (for example if folks have acquired some of their ordered varieties from other sources during this wait and no longer need them).  That last idea seems like a potential logistical and bookkeeping nightmare, but I'll throw it out there and see what you all think.  A slightly less terrifying idea would be to allow everyone who participated in this $7 tree project to participate in a similar project next year, just for them (maybe $7 trees again?  or maybe drop it to $5 trees as a special apology?).

I want to stress that I have been working extremely hard on this project and that it is the focus of my entire life right now.  I get up and start working around dawn every single day, and I work all day until I run out of daylight or energy.  Often times I strap a headlight on and keep working after dark.  Since I am this committed, I feel very confident telling you that the project will indeed be completed successfully, and that it is only a matter of when, not if.

I also want to stress that I'm not selling any of your fig stock to anyone else.  Every fig you see in these pics is being grown for you: none of them are for sale to other people, and when people come by and want to buy them, I tell them "Sorry, no; those are all spoken for and are being grown for other people."  I have given away a handful of extra Hardy Chicago plants, but aside from that, these plants are all off-limits for other people because they're all being grown for you.

Over the next couple of weeks I'll be doing a lot of pruning and will be packing my humidity bins with thousands of rooting cuttings.  Most orders will be ready when that generation of rooted cuttings is ready.  In the meantime I will continue shipping out a slow stream of orders that do not contain any of the troublesome rooters/slow growers.  Please note, however, that I up-potted most of the fast-growers and will be trying to prune/root them in sync with the troublesome ones so that they'll all be ready around the same time and can ship together.

Exciting update:  As some of you know, my plan when I started this project was to expand into an empty 10 acre field adjacent to my house.  I had already discussed leasing it with the realtor for an affordable $400/mo, but when I called about it recently I learned that the land had just sold, and that the new owners want $455,000 for it as a commercial property and aren't interested in leasing.  That's more than I can afford, and it threw a wrench into my plans, but a couple of days ago I had a positive meeting with a neighbor about buying a different piece of adjacent land, and submitted a bid that the neighbor seemed pleased with.  He said he needed to take some time to think it over and discuss it with his family, so nothing's finalized, but I'm hopeful.  If I get this land, I'll have the space to put up another 6-10 large greenhouses, which will give me more than enough space for current needs and for future expansion.

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Pictures look great.  I know you are busy, but maybe you could take some time to post a bit more details about the status?

1. How many trees were ordered for 2016, and how many do you estimate will ship in September, November, etc.?
2. How many individual trees do you have growing in their own containers (for these orders)?
3. Same questions for i-258, galicia negra, black madeira.
4. Are early 2017 orders still on schedule, in your mind?

I know some of that may be more detail than you want to share, but it would go a long way to boosting the confidence of those that are waiting on trees.  Given the current schedule difficulties, I think it's fair to share at least some of those details, so people have some idea what to expect.

We can deal with bad news, and good news, but not no news!

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This thread is evidence that many people are frustrated about the current delay in shipment and some are concerned about whether they will receive their plants.  However, it seems to me that this thread is not resolving either these frustrations or the problem and instead has morphed into something that is increasing, not relieving that frustration, and since James does not have a business contract with this forum, but instead with individual members, I do not see a way that there can be resolution of this conflict in this discussion and believe it can only occur with individual private conversations between James and individual members.  However my primary reason for writing this is that I see this discussion, in what it has become, creating an atmosphere that is fostering animosity and conflict that is harming and not helping our fig community.  I am just a member, and a new member at that, so I have a small platform to speak from.  That being said my request is that before posting on this thread, each of us considers our fig community and the effects of our post on it.  
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Sorry about the lack of updates, here's a link to an update I just posted: http://www.figcuttings.com/2016/09/fig-propagation-project-update.html

I'll re-post it here later after I adjust the formatting so that it will look right.

Again I'm very sorry about the lack of good communication, I know it's important.  It was due to a combination of being very busy/tired, embarrassed about being behind pace, and worried about setting myself up to get robbed.  I'll get back to doing weekly updates from now on.

I promise that all of you will get your trees, and I will do whatever I can to make it up to you for them being late.

James, thank you for the update! This goes a long way in curbing some of the concern! Please keep us posted and as the previous poster mentioned if you have any further specifics about revised delivery targets keep us updated. Thanks!
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James regarding your linked update. I think most people don't expect anything as an apology other than their plants. At $7 no one can expect cuttings or anything else in addition to the plants. Don't make it hard on yourself by complicating things. That's my feelings. And good luck, I'm pulling for you.
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Good luck with your proof.  I had heard at least one person say it was probably a ponzi scheme but I don't think that's the case and I have no idea who Babylon is.  Someone may have asked me about it during my tasting and I may have commented about that, I don't recall.  I don't really have any inside information nor do you, I assume.

James is someone I've known for several years (prior to figs) and he's been a good customer of mine.  I have done extremely well myself this year so I certainly have not been hurt by James' offerings.  James has also wished me well as I have for him.  I also have not ordered anything from James, though I did consider it earlier this year but really don't need more than what I have already.  As I've said before, I hope this works out well for everyone involved.

I think you should just hold yourself to the same standard that you set for some that made critical comments.  Speculation does no good for anyone.  This stuff about talking like a man or a girl is nonsense, IMO.



If you didn't order anything from James, then why are you so concerned with this issue?? I have not mentioned your Name?

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Adipose:  I missed out on the ordering for the $7 fig trees this go round, so technically this isn't really my business.  But (the proverbial but), to ask GreenFin to post all the information you're requesting seems a bit much.  I don't need to know it.  Anybody who hasn't placed a order for 2017 doesn't need to know it.  If it would make you feel more comfortable getting that information, maybe you should ask privately.  Crap happens.  Over-estimating what you think you can do happens.  As long as his heart was/is in the right place and he's willing to work it out with everybody, cut the guy a little slack.  I will say, though, two-way communication is important.
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In the update James talks about a little bonus for those of us who ordered for 2016. Hard to decide how to do it? As again it will put a strain. Maybe a 10% discount for 2017 plants would work? I don't want to put him out of business as if this works well, James should have a tremendous amount of plants in future years.
I'm not buying any expensive figs I never have, never will. If this happens to fail, well i guess I'll just wait for prices to be reasonable. I myself find it strange as for me, so many other fruits are as good and often better than figs. I like figs, but most of my family does not. Now my white strawberries, blueberries, nectarines, pluots, I can't grow enough for my family. They eat them as soon as I pick them, and I harvested hundreds, even thousands this year. The cherries this year were so good!

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James,

Thanks for the update.  You asked for input on that post. I can only speak for myself, but what I would like to see is just communications when the status of something changes and all this drama can be avoided.  I don’t need free cuttings or anything else. I think most of us understand what a task you undertook and reasonable delays in such a venture and assuming trees are received while I still need the cultivars I will be happy and think most others will be as well. In fact if of those you listed having difficulty with offer them a refund as I am sure pretty sure when you actually have the tree available you would have takers for all.

The talk of a scam angered me, and I don’t know if it happened but I don’t care for a member creating a new login to post something they would not post as themselves.  If you don’t want the statement associated with you don’t bother saying it and hold your tongue, even if what is being said has legitimate basis.


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I did not participate in the feeding frenzy on the $7 trees, I do not participate in buying any type of futures.  What needs to be remembered here is that any thread or contribution to a thread is public to all forum members and implies consent for comment.  One does not have to be a member of the feeding frenzy to comment on what is offered to the public (our forum community), nor does longevity of membership restrict comment.  Anyone going into this adventure had to know there were risks and participation is an acknowledgement of those risks.

I am curious if the seller is a commercial entity with the appropriate licenses and permits to engage in selling agricultural products across state lines.  The sheer volume of this deal exceeds the scope of "Hobbyist".

With all that said, if this were an eBay transaction the seller would surely be crucified on this forum, and would probably lose privileges on eBay.

All parties involved have entered into a contract with a deliverable, the instant a deliverable is violated,  the contract is breached.  The lack of remedy is disturbing.  

Hope, promises, and understanding, is not a remedy.

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Please re-read my comment. I don't have an issue with anyone speaking their mind. It can also be as mean spirited as you like. My issue is with creating a 2nd screen name to carry it out.

@Frank...thanks


And yet...you attacked me. I have created no second accounts, have been here about as long as you, and have a similar number of posts. I've attacked no one and you slung mud in my direction.

As I said before....your bullying attitude matches well with what has happened here before. You should fit right in.


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If you didn't order anything from James, then why are you so concerned with this issue?? I have not mentioned your Name?


You have not mentioned me by name but speculated that it was probably a competitor that posted the critical comments.  Many people might assume you were talking about me.  I want to make it clear that is not the case.

I have also been an active member of the fig collecting community for a long time and have hundreds of friends as a result (thousands of followers on Facebook), so I have an interest in the the welfare of all buyers as well as James.

This forum is a public discussion community.  Why do you think it's inappropriate for me to comment?


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This is a fig community. Of course we are going to talk amongst ourselves about $7 fig trees! This post was where many of us first learned about it. It serves as a free ad for the product, a support forum, and a place for everyone to discuss the product. Asking people to not post concerns here is just not realistic. This is where we come to talk about such things.
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James (Greenfin):  Thank you for your update!  This is a big undertaking! I agree with Fignutty "Don't make it hard[er] on yourself by complicating things. That's my feelings. And good luck, I'm pulling for you."  I do not expect nor want anything more than the trees I paid for." Again, thank you!

Blessings,
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James,

Pictures look great.  I know you are busy, but maybe you could take some time to post a bit more details about the status?

1. How many trees were ordered for 2016, and how many do you estimate will ship in September, November, etc.?
2. How many individual trees do you have growing in their own containers (for these orders)?
3. Same questions for i-258, galicia negra, black madeira.
4. Are early 2017 orders still on schedule, in your mind?


Well over a thousand trees were ordered, I think the total's around 1,400.  About 1/3 to 1/2 of them were the troublesome varieties.

I'm just finishing up-potting around 1,200 figs into 3gal and 5gal containers, so none of them are in their own shipping containers right now.  Over the next couple of weeks as I prune, the cuttings will go into rooting cups that I can ship them in which will look like this:

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So a couple of weeks from now close to 100% of the 'non-troublesome' varieties should be growing in their shipping containers, and they would be ready to ship about 6-8 weeks after that.  The troublesome ones might take two more prune/root/grow cycles before I'd have enough for 100% to be in their final containers, which would mean they wouldn't be ready until sometime in January.  Due to freezing temps, that would probably be a rough time to try and ship young plants, so I'd probably have to hold them a while and ship them out as each individual person's weather becomes warm enough in the late winter/early spring.

If my neighbor agrees to sell me some of his land as we discussed (or if I can line up an alternate property in the next few weeks), then I think I have a good shot at being on time for 2017.  If not, then the 2017 orders would probably be delayed because I'd be using all of my current greenhouse space to hold the 2016 orders.  I say "probably" because I could set up a couple more greenhouses on our property and expand a third one, which *might* give me the capacity to meet the deadline even without any extra land.  My first choice is to get some extra land, though, and I'll be talking to a number of other folks in the area to inquire about other nearby possibilities.  I should have a much clearer idea in a few weeks.

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Here is my 7-8 ft Hollier...this started out as a cutting I purchased from James -greenfin last fall.

James is guilty of one thing, dreaming big!

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So basically, any of the harder to root varieties will now be shipped next year?
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James, I have two questions:

1. I ordered 10 trees for 2016, 4 of them maybe fall in the category of troublesome and 6 of them maybe don't fall in the category of non troublesome (Those 6 are not the types that you mention). If the problem are the troublesome species, why not ship to people who want the non-troublesome fig trees first? I can wait for the black madeira and figo preto. In my case I have fig trees that I promised to a social community project and I don't want to fail to my promise, so I would be very happy to have at least part of my order as soon as possible. The troublesome I can wait for them.

2. If the 2016 project is very late in schedule, I would assume that the 2017 march project would also be late. I also have ordered fig trees for 2017 and I think that those of us who have ordered fig for 2017 should have several options regarding the 2017 order. The 2016 would be for some species 6 to 7 months late, so maybe things will get the same path for 2017 order. I want to know how this change could impact the 2017 march order (how many months could be delayed?) and what options could you give to us, the ones who ordered fig trees for 2016 and 2017? Don't get me wrong, but this is also uncomfortable for me as a buyer, we also have the right to know. Thanks in advance.

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Speaking only for myself, James, I don't want/need any special deals or consideration.  The $7 is already too good of a deal, imo.  Others may feel they deserve something.

I also appreciate your candid answers to my questions.  That kind of information is what people who sit here, clicking refresh on a thread, need.

I was also serious about my other comment, where I said it's ok if you ship mine last, or even tell me it's not going to happen.  I'd rather someone else get the trees, who is desperately waiting for a coveted variety, than me, who is being told by his wife that he already has too many trees :)

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James is guilty of one thing, dreaming big!


Would that everyone be guilty of only that....could you imagine how amazing the would would then be? :)   IMHO, if you're going to dream, there is no other way but to dream big and not give up working toward it. Before you know it that dream turns into a reality. And sometimes others are blessed enough to witness that process. 


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James,
Is it possible for you to list all of the troublesome varieties?

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Sorry about the lack of updates, here's a link to an update I just posted: http://www.figcuttings.com/2016/09/fig-propagation-project-update.html

I'll re-post it here later after I adjust the formatting so that it will look right.

Again I'm very sorry about the lack of good communication, I know it's important.  I'll get back to doing weekly updates from now on.

I promise that all of you will get your trees, and I will do whatever I can to make it up to you for them being late.

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James, I won't need any special spiff. I wouldn't have wanted to receive tender plants before now anyway (Phoenix hella hot), and can wait another month or two

ALL but two of the cuttings (23 total, 9 varieties) I bought from you in January were, alas temporarily, well on their way to becoming very nice trees by mid-April. Some inattention during a couple of consecutive 117 degree days here ended all but 6 of them, and about 45 others. Lesson learned

Grow well, young GreenFin




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