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I haven't heard much about this variety except that it has a closed eye, and am wondering if anybody can offer some information about the fruit quality (or anything else). Thanks.
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Fruit quality:excellent,with dark red inside.
Health:not to healthy,has FMV,but it grows well in regions with alkaline soil as Ca.
If you got acidic soil amend WITH lIMESTONE POWDER,TO MAKE IT NEUTRAL.

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I had one and grew like crazy. very aggressive grower but didn't fruit the two or three years I had it. But I didn't have any FMV issues with it.

There is a local nursery ( Tellys ) that has it for about $15 I think. It is in about 1gl pot I think. Can't say for sure about the size and price. 

Can't say for sure if it is a green type.
Imagine if it is the Black?


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I have one that's been in the ground going on its 3rd year.  Mine has not fruited yet either.  It does not have FMV.  The leaves has a beautiful dark green color.  If it does not fruit this year, I will be removing it.  I did order 1 Green Ischia and 1 White Ischia last month from an online nursery and hoping these 2 tree produce fruit.  I will keep you posted.  cheers,
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I have a nice tree that originated from cuttings from UCD. It has no obvious signs of FMV. However, the few figs that it produced last year were more of a yellow color rather than the green color that I was expecting and the fig eyes were not closed.  Maybe it was mixed up with White Ischia????? Time will tell.......

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Can those of you with the Ischia Green fig trees/plants post pictures of the leaves and or fruits for comparison? I am curious as to how they match up against Condit's description for Verte/IG. According to Condit, Verte/IG has a small, open eye. Thanks!


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Pix at Figs 4 Fun.

I have USDA/UC Davis cuttings rooting now.


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Is green ischia the same as verte?   I thought they were.  My verte is like Dan said, more yellow not a tight eye.


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Here's are some pics of the one I used to have.






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Here is an excerpt of what Condit said about Verte/IG:

"Verte (syns. Coeur, De Cour, De Cuers, Verdalle, Verdale, Des Dames, Figue d’Espagne, Trompe-Chasseur, Trompe-Cassaire, Ischia Green, Figue d’Hiver, Ficus carica aulica Risso). Described as Verte by Merlet (1667), La Quintinie (1692), Tournefort (1700), Liger (1702), Garidel (1715), Langley (1728), La Brousse (1774), Rozier (1805), Duhamel (1809), Christ (1812), Lamarck (1817), Bory de Saint Vincent (1824), February, 1955] Condit: Fig Varieties 409 Couverchel (1839), and Leclerc (1925). Described as De Cour or De Cuers by Bernard (1787), Risso (1826), Du Breuil (1876), and Eisen (1901). Described as Verdale by La Brousse (1774), Hogg (1866), and Société’ Pomologique de France (1947, probably). Described as Trompe-Chasseur or Trompe-Cassaire by Sauvaigo (1889) and Simonet et al. (1945). Described as Ischia Green by Miller (1768), Hanbury (1770), Forsyth (1803), Brookshaw (1812), Green (1824), Lindley (1831), Burnette (1894), Earle (1900), Leclerc (1925), Stansel and Wyche (1932), and Condit (1947). See Rolland (1914) for synonymy.

The fruits are illustrated in color by Duhamel and by Brookshaw. Merlet described Figue Verte (also called Verdalle or Figue d’Espagne) as bearing few brebas, but many second-crop figs, some of which remain on the tree over winter and mature in the spring, hence the name, Figue d’Hiver. Garidel stated that it was also called Trompe-Cassaire because of its resemblance to Bourjassotte, which also hangs on the tree during winter. Eisen reported that this green fig appears unripe even when mature; therefore, it is called Trompe-Chasseur, “hunter’s deception.” Couverchel listed it as Figue Verte des Dames or De Guers, but did not explain the significance the latter name, which may be a corruption of De Cuers. The suggestion of Rozier, that Verte might be the same as Ischia Green of Miller, is accepted as correct after comparison of descriptions by the various authors cited. Contrary to the reports of some horticulturists, such as Hogg, Eisen, Starnes, and Gould, Ischia Green and Ischia White are regarded here as distinct varieties. Sauvaigo referred Verte to Ficus carica falaciosa of Risso, but this Latin terminology has not been found in the 1826 edition of Risso, who described Figue de Cour under F. carica aulica. Langley treated Verte as a green fig, called in France, Figue Verte and in Italy, Verdone. The latter, however, is regarded in this monograph as distinct. Verte is reported to be one of the better figs of Provence, especially at Grasse and Toulon. English writers, beginning with Miller, state that the skin is thin, green, and when fully ripe, is stained by the meat to a brownish cast; also, that the interior purple color will stain linen or paper. As early as 1832, the William Kenrick Nursery, Newton, Massachusetts, offered for sale trees of Green Ischia at one dollar each. In 1894, Ischia Green was included in the Chiswick collection as P.I. No. 18,856. It has long been grown in the southern United States, but on account of confusion with Ischia White, reports on its behavior must be carefully evaluated. However, the variety has certainly not been nearly so well regarded or extensively planted as have Brown Turkey, Celeste (Malta), or Brunswick. A small commercial planting is on the place of Stoughton Sterling, Crisfield, Maryland. Two trees have been located in California dooryards; one in the yard of C. W. Gates, 128 Fey Drive, Burlingame; the other on the place of John Kruttschnitt, San Mateo. Ischia Green has been received and tested at Riverside with material from the following localities: Crisfield, Maryland; Sherman, Angleton, and San Antonio, Texas. The fruit is late in maturing, but of good quality. The very light production of brebas, the small size of the main-crop figs, and its late season of maturity, are factors sufficient to prevent much extension of Verte, at least in California. A variety labeled Calvert, briefly described by Close (1933), was received in 1929 from the Angleton, Texas, station, numbered 8,370. This has proved to be identical with Verte at Riverside, and both are very similar to Col de Dame.

Branches of the tree have terminal buds, green in color. Leaves below medium, glossy above, non lobed to 3-lobed; upper sinuses shallow; base broadly subcordate to truncate; margins coarsely crenate. Description is from figs produced at Riverside since 1942, and at Fresno in the season of 1953. Brebas few, or rarely produced, as reported by Simonet; figs medium, pyriform, with prominent neck and short stalk; eye small, scales straw color; white flecks small, numerous, conspicuous; color green; bloom delicate; meat thin, violet; pulp strawberry.

Second-crop figs small; turbinate, without neck, or pyriform, with prominent, somewhat flattened neck; average weight 40 grams; stalk up to 1/4 inch long; eye small, fairly well closed, scales tawny; ribs narrow, fairly well elevated; white flecks scattered, conspicuous; color grass green; meat white; pulp dark strawberry; quality good. Season late.

Caprified figs have much the same characters, but the pulp is blood red in color. (Plate 17, C.)". Going by this description of the leaves, it looks like Rafed's tree is not a Verte/Ischia Green.


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Ed, I'm glad you said it, because i thought it.

i just couldn't remember if it was verte, strawberry verte, or strawberry.  too many like-named figs.

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Rafed, yours looks like mine.  I'll post some pics as soon as it stops raining.
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Ed is that the same verte I got from you?
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Did you get a verte from me?  I brought one to the gathering but ended up bringing it back home.


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Huh I got one In a plastic container not the foam cups that were up there. I ended up with verte and enchanto red
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Interesting info, everybody--thanks very much. My reason for asking is I have a couple one-gallon Ischia Greens from last year's UCD cuttings, and I'm trying to decide whether to commit any of my rapidly-dwindling in-ground space. Both of them have FMV but it doesn't seem to be slowing them down any--they're pretty vigorous, and both have small figs forming. At least one of them formed figs last year as well. Maybe they like the heat.
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Here is Ischia Green from Brugmansia-Quebec



Verte from Grimonut


Also have strawberry from almost eden but dont seem to have any pics. It grew a few figs in its first season but did not ripen any hopefully this year I will get to sample a few figs, leaves are different than the above 2 mostly 3 lobed and some 5 lobed.

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Between the FMV and being young trees, it's kind of hard to tell, but it looks like my Ischia Greens only have three lobes. Maybe they get more as they mature?

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Mine,is from UCD too and it has a medium to small open eye,and dark red interior with very good taste I remember.
It did not make a lots of fruits,but,I am keeping it to see if will grow healthier in the future.

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Ken,

Yours looks like an actual Verte/IG. Verte should have 0-3 lobes. The bark on the parent tree I got my cuttings from is also white/light. Mine do not have FMV.

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Ruben--Wow; that's a delicious-looking fig! I think you and Herman have convinced me to stick one in the ground and see how it does in Tucson.
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I'll take any spares ;)


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put me down for cuttings too Ruben

I be happy to trade

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I'd be happy to accomodate you guys, but right now I only have one 5-gal plant (spoken for). I have 8 others in-ground and actively growing and forming fruit. I would be hesitant to uproot them. What do you think?


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Ruben leave them in the ground.

Just prefer a few cuttings during your fall

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Got you covered, George. Will notify you when they are collected. Thanks!


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See, Now I regret getting rid of my beautiful tree.

I was thinking bass ackward.

Looks like I'll go out and buy another one.
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Ruben, that's a nice looking fig you have there........

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Jason,

If you want, I can take some fresh cuttings from the parent tree and send them to you. Shoot me a PM if you are interested with length/width preference.


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Dan,


Thanks for saying so. Haven't seen another with fruit just like that for some reason. Don't know if you noticed in the last picture, but the fruit appear to dry on the tree instead of falling. I did not taste the dried fruit to see if they were any good though. I will this summer.


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Yes, I did notice the dried figs on your tree. That is another fig ripening characteristic that I llike to see. Do you recall the timeframe over which your tree fruits???

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Dan,

The photo of the dried fruit was taken 22 August last year. Not sure when it actually ripened it's first crop. I have not seen a breba on the parent or my plants. The freshly cut fruit pic was picked and photographed on 4 August so I would speculate that they begin to ripen by early-mid July at the latest. It continues producing until frost. As Condit said, it is supposed to be able to carry immature fruit through the winter. I have not personally seen this as the parent tree gets pruned down to about 5' every fall/winter. I will leave a few on my own plants this winter and see.



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I know you are all probably sick of this fig plant, but here are a cpl more pics I took of the parent tree when I took some fresh cuttings...

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Based on pictures posted on this thread I must say my Green Ischia & Verte leaves are way off. Thats just great 3 plants with different synonyms neither one a real green ischia starting to get annoyed.


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Nelson, that happens all too frequently. Did you see my post about my "Golden Celeste"? lol ..I also traded for a Fiorone di Ruvo. Not looking good so far...


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For clarification, are the Strawberry Verte and IG the same??  Thanks.


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Sara,

Technically, yes. They are synonyms. Strawberry Verte and Verte are the same fig. Possible cause for confusion is the physical characteristis between caprified and uncaprified fruit. Some will just have to be attributed to regional/ethnic renaming probably due to failure to properly research the geneology and origin of the tree. As you know by now, this is very common, especially among figs.

Jonnydip,

Is that from a Verte/IG? Can you post pics of the tree and leaves too? Any details about size/weight?

 Thanks!

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Very nice, Jonnydip! Like I posted earlier, I have not seen a breba from my local tree. Have any pictures of main crop fruit? What can you tell us about your tree's geneology? Sorry for all the questions, but my curiousity is piqued! Thanks!


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One of the cuttings I took and started on the 20 May started rooting 10 days later.

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Jonnydip,

Sure does! Thanks!! Looks a bit more yellowish than my strain. Is it caprified? What state is the tree in? Lastly, did you get any stats on the main crop?

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@Ruben...thank you for the answer, I have a Strawberry that I got from Jon, so I am very thrilled and it is growing like wildfire in the hot Kentucky sun! No figs, but they will be pinched this season if/when they appear. So figdicted (new word), and I think I have my 72 year old mother hooked now.  She has enjoyed watching the progress on the cuttings, then the cups, then the pots while she recoups from her back surgery.  She doesn't know it yet, but she will get to pick her fig plant out tonight since I am packing up and going back to my home tomorrow.   


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Sara,

Glad to hear your plants are doing so well and that your mom has taken such an intrest and is recovering from the surgery. The Black Mission and Unknown Morley liking that Kentucky sun too?

@ Jonnydip,

How did the main crop compare to the breba as far as size and flavor?

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Picked main crop fruit from the parent tree today. Boy! Were they good!! Picked 16 figs and weighed them. Average weight was 20g. Not too bad considering the only care the tree gets is a severe pruning in the fall/winter. Judging from the amount of wrinkling and sagging of the fruit, I would say they have been ripening at least one week. The consistency was jam-like with lots of seed crunch. Hate to say it, but it looked and tasted somewhat like strawberry jam only not as sweet (but still sweet). Even the cpl that were a little unripe were pretty good. Dense texture to the pulp. Definitely recommend waiting for the skin to crack/check.

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Those look delicious!
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Ruben:I see you have an old specimen there,and it is Ischia green,I have no doubt.
I Condit,again makes a big mistake by saying in Hilgardia that the fruits of Ischia Green(Verte ),mature too late in the season,and that is why it was not a valuable cultivar for California.
According to your tree,and the tree does not lie,this cultivar is not late to mature if you have,main crop, fruits on,July 7 .
Of course this is in Texas,but I am a month behind you when about ripening.
So if that tree would have been here in NJ,it would have started to ripe August 7 2011.
That mean is as early as Marseilles vs  black and Celeste here in NJ.
The above are my earliest ripening figs here so Ischia green is not late at all,in fact.!!!!


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Totally agree, Herman. Wonder if it has anything to do with the long drought period we have been having down here?


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Ruben:Of course drought and high heat makes fruits ripe faster.
Also if you picked those fruits on July 7,the tree must have started getting ripe much earlier,as they start slowelly,first a couple of fruits and every day more fruits get ripe.
So the tree I am sure started getting ripe at about July 1st for the first fruits.
That is early,for any fig tree (main crop),and is not only because Summer is hot.
It totally contradicts I Condit writings!

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Can some one tell me the difference between green ischia and verte? The descriptions on f4f is different but People say they are the same.
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