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You raise a good point although I haven't seen Dausername1 or any other known scammer selling BB10 cuttings on eBay. Other than that specific case, however, all the other BB10 cuttings have Dan as their provenance. Surely, no one would suggest that cuttings sold by Wills or by Dave or by Brian or by Joe or by any other known and trusted seller is any less worthy a cutting. To do so would put the question to any other cultivar cuttings sold by Harvey on figaholics.com or James on figcuttings.com or any other reputable seller of long known and pedigree varieties... One of our most respected forum members, KK sells Black Madeira plants and cuttings of the highest quality and yet the provenance of Black Madeira does not have at its root Keith... no one would be so short sighted as to suggest that Keith's Black Madeira doesn't have staying power...  

As another example.... we all know where Ponte Tresa came from.... if you are offered Ponte Tresa from a known and respected forum member and ebay seller, are you going to say that you refuse that Ponte Tresa or that you beieve that that Ponte Tresa, once in your hands, will devalue and become unpalatable to your friends becasue you are now the source of said Ponte Tresa?
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Further to the point, all Cravens Craving plants and cuttings would become of zero value unless they were sold and provided by the old Portuguese fisherman who is the sole provenance for that fig and the source of Padsfan's plant and cuttings. I don't think anyone is rejecting the Cravens cuttings on eBay as being worthless because they came from padsfan or that anyone else that now has the cravens has a variety that lacks staying power....

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People are sheeple! You can take an identical pair of blue jeans and put a MEK label on one and a wrangler label on the other and get two different prices, and to take it one step further you can put holes in one pair change the label and get even more money it is just the way it works.Dans cuttings will always bring more money.
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I agree that if you grow your cuttings that were bought from Dan and decide to sell  the resulting plants on ebay at the same time that Dan decides to sell BB10 plants he grew from cuttings from his own tree, Dan is likely to get more for his plants than you will get for yours.... After all, anyone buying yours is not buying from Dan even though they are buying a BB10 whose provenance is Dan. There is no difference in anyone buying a Wills air layer on eBay for $393 or someone buying a BB10 air layer from you  on eBay for $393. Both plants have Dan in their provenance regardless of the path that they took to get to eBay. Anyone buying BB10 from Wills or Dave or Brian or Joe or you are getting the same variety and the same provenance.... You and Dave and Wills and Joe and Brian have the same plant and the same privilege to say your plants have Dan as the provenance of their BB10 plant. I guess that even Dan, upon selling cuttings from any other plant other than the original hidden and unknown mother source plant, can only claim himself, Dan, as the provenance of that plant material....  Your profile says your hobby is collecting rare fig varieties, I suggest that none of your rare fig varieties suffer in value from not having originated from the original source tree located in outer Idontknowwhereia....
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I agree that if you grow your cuttings that were bought from Dan and decide to sell  the resulting plants on ebay at the same time that Dan decides to sell BB10 plants he grew from cuttings from his own tree, Dan is likely to get more for his plants than you will get for yours.... After all, anyone buying yours is not buying from Dan even though they are buying a BB10 whose provenance is Dan. There is no difference in anyone buying a Wills air layer on eBay for $393 or someone buying a BB10 air layer from you  on eBay for $393. Both plants have Dan in their provenance regardless of the path that they took to get to eBay. Anyone buying BB10 from Wills or Dave or Brian or Joe or you are getting the same variety and the same provenance.... You and Dave and Wills and Joe and Brian have the same plant and the same privilege to say your plants have Dan as the provenance of their BB10 plant. I guess that even Dan, upon selling cuttings from any other plant other than the original hidden and unknown mother source plant, can only claim himself, Dan, as the provenance of that plant material....  Your profile says your hobby is collecting rare fig varieties, I suggest that none of your rare fig varieties suffer in value from not having originated from the original source tree located in outer Idontknowwhereia....
is Idontknowwheria located any where near  Bumf*ckEgypt?My entire collection is documented most from the original source I do not order from 77peony!

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Grant... Idontknowwhereia refers not to whom you bought it from but rather the original location of the original Mother plant and to the simple fact that it is very difficult to know where the ORIGINAL mother plant for any of the rare varieties was located... Sure, we know where the Ponte Tresa came from but my Ponte Tresa didn't get shipped to me from Italy... I acquired it from a very well known and reputable forum member. My BM didn't come from Idontknowehereia because we don't know where the original Idontknowwhereia is, it came from another well known and reputable forum member who sells BM on eBay. Similarly, I fully expect that you are as careful at documenting the source of your plants as I am and neither of us acquire our plants from Idontknowhereia becasue we don't know where that is. Can anyone point to the source tree for Ischia Black? If I buy Ischia Black from Harvey or from Hershell or Frank in Florida or any of those other well known growers and sellers, I am going to document them as my source but the plant is still Ischia Black. I was not trying to insult you with my comment and I apologize if it came off that way; what I am saying is that our plants are still the variety we bought them as if acquired from a well know and trusted source who also ensures varietal authenticity even though that source was not the original source wherever the heck the original plant came from.... We, all of us, are working with genetically identical plant material obtained via vegetative propagation in the form of cuttings from some source mother buried somewhere back in time, grown and regrown, pruned, cuttings passed along and regrown for countless plant generations. For the most part all varieties trace their origin back to a singular original mother plant. Regardless of how many clones of it exist in the world, they ALL trace their genes back to a single mother, you just have to go back far enough. Dan's BB10 comes from a singular mother which may or may not be a unique plant... that is unknown and will remain so until and unless someone does a complete genetic profile on the plant to elimiate the possibility that it is actually a known cultivar. All plants that derive from Dan's plant are the same genetic plant. If you decide to grow your BB10 cuttings and sell the resulting plants, you can certainly market the fact that they are 1 -  BB10 and 2 - originate from Dan's trees... well so can anyone else that has BB10 that originates from Dan's trees. Anyone buying from you and then growing and selling plants will also be able to say the same thing 1 - they are selling BB10 and 2 - their plant derives from Dan's tree... the fact that their plant first had to grow for you in order to make it to them so they could sell it down the line does not change the provenance or cultivar of the plant...

I don't want this discussion to take a wrong turn so that is the last I am going to say on the subject of BB10....
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You didn't see Charlie's one node experiment?  http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/single-node-cuttings-experiment-7144815?highlight=one+node+experiment&trail=50



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Charlie for President! :)  (please, please put me on your list Charlie)
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Charlie the experimenter, he has my vote.
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It is amazing how threads evolve from the original posting subject/thought, not always for the better.
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Three Black Beauty 10 cuttings from Dan - $100. + S&H

Peace of mind having them - Priceless 

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Dans cuttings will have staying power on ebay. I seen it for too many years source is everything.


I agree. If you get BB10 from someone else can you be sure it's the real deal? No, so material straight from Dan will have added value, IMO.

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The only problem I have with that kind of thinking is this, does that then mean that CajunB is not somehow trust worthy? To my knowledge, he is the only other source...that I know of.  

Does that mean that the 30+ people who obtained/invested in BB10 through CajunB directly or indirectly via others now have junk?

I want this fig to be all everyone else does.  But still no one has compared it to Kathleen's Black, Azul Azul, etc.

Louisiana does not have the wasp.  This fig has to have been imported from somewhere else, if it is that good it will still be elsewhere.

Dan is laughing all the way to the bank, his ultimate revenge on us fig crazies.

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Put another way,

If your gonna cast doubt on the authenticity and honesty of CajunB's BB10 (albeit indirectly), who I don't know, on a forum viewed worldwide then why shouldn't I doubt the integrity of Dan and authenticity of his BB10, who I also don't know?

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That's my issue with this too Don.  I already have a lot of fig plants under different names that ended up being the same.  What's the probability that BB10 isn't already in our collections?  Worth experimenting with, but worth dropping $100 on?  I was really hoping that the early growers with large collections would be able to confirm Dan's opinion before selling it.
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The only problem I have with that kind of thinking is this, does that then mean that CajunB is not somehow trust worthy? To my knowledge, he is the only other source...that I know of.  

Does that mean that the 30+ people who obtained/invested in BB10 through CajunB directly or indirectly via others now have junk?

I want this fig to be all everyone else does.  But still no one has compared it to Kathleen's Black, Azul Azul, etc.

Louisiana does not have the wasp.  This fig has to have been imported from somewhere else, if it is that good it will still be elsewhere.

Dan is laughing all the way to the bank, his ultimate revenge on us fig crazies.

Total revenge! He's probably drinking a beer laughing at us. Ha ha probably yelling too

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Put another way,

If your gonna cast doubt on the authenticity and honesty of CajunB's BB10 (albeit indirectly), who I don't know, on a forum viewed worldwide then why shouldn't I doubt the integrity of Dan and authenticity of his BB10, who I also don't know?


I'm not casting doubt on anyones BB10. I don't know who's selling it. I've never questioned anything like this ever and never will. But I'll stick by my statement until someone compares their BB10 to Dan's or provides proof that their's came from Dan.

As someone else stated source matters in this game. It's Dans fig. His is the only one that has value. If someone else has it from Dan fine, then their's has value.

I bought BB10 from one source last fall. I bought Dan's cuttings just now just to be sure I have the right thing. In my mind that makes Dan's more valuable even thou hopefully they're both the same. I won't have bought a second from anyone else. If you can't see my logic we'll just have to disagree.

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Fair enough, I do see your logic.   

Being one who has BB10 from "other source" makes me a little sensitive to implications that any other BB10, not from Dan directly, is not indeed the same BB10.  And I'm sure the others who also have BB10 via CajunB feel similarly.

But I concede that mine are "twigs" and I have no idea what the heck I really have, yet.  I'm with you and may have to shell out another bill just to satisfy my curiosity.

What is known is, Dan (or CajunB) does not own or possess the original mother tree. That maybe we can agree on?

 Like a lot of forum members, I do not know either of them, I have to take both CajunB (or re-sellers of his cuttings) and Dan at their word.



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Thank you Don, we don't disagree on anything that I can see.
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Mine have leafed out and match the photos. Mine are from Wills.
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Having made the purchase I finally got a direct line to the man and asked a few questions I been dying to ask the source for awhile now, for myself and a few others.

The problem I've had is, it was told to me that somebody went on Dan's place and stole some cuttings from his tree and passed them around.  I didn't get a name, wish I did and also wish I knew who got them knowing they were stole, if that in fact happened.  So I just now sent Dan a message and asked him if that was true and who it was.  Maybe he answers me and maybe he doesn't.

Some people have said this is better not talked about.  Better for who?  The thief I reckon and whoever shared in the spoils.  One thing about it you can be sure.  If they stole cuttings from Dan, they would steal them from anyone.  From you or me, even somebody they claim to be friends with.  

It's been said Dan was rude, an ass, loud, obnoxious and maybe even violent towards some.  Tell you what, come in my yard and steal something special from me and see.  Let something be stole from you and see yourself in the mirror.  It makes you rude, an ass, obnoxious and probably violent, unless you're a better person than me.

I won't stop until I learn the truth.  Buying these cuttings doesn't mean I gave up.  I don't care what people thought of or still think of Dan, nobody had the right to take them from his tree unless he cut them his self and handed them.






  

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Charlie,

  I sincerely hope those cuttings were not stolen.  I personally would never have bought them if I had known that, bad mojo.

Like most others that are self employed I had hoped to make money off the tree or at the very least make my cost back, but that does not mean I don't love the little trees, and I wouldn't want that kind of energy here.   



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Regarding cetain fig forum members: some of those members believe that their mere membership on a fig forum somehow makes them more knowledgable about figs. Access to many fig varieties is one thing. However, real life fig "knowledge" is a completely different matter. And to aquire real knowledge takes experience. And when some of those fig foums members post, you learn quickly that their overall fig knowledge is very questionable. That is one reason they do not write more about the figs that they grow. In short they are full of crap and only write about what they have "heard" from others or the writings of others.

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Dan replied.  Didn't name anyone but verified he had two starts disappear from his year a couple years ago. 

Hoosierbanana was that for me?  Stand up and say so if it was and I'll be happy to reply but for now it's simply a generic bashing without a place to land.  You must have somebody in mind.

As for the rest of you BB-10 owners, I hope if it matters, you can find sufficient evidence that allows you to feel comfortable with your possession of it.

For the thief and those knowing, your day is coming. You need to make it right with Dan. 

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It is a quote from Dan, Charlie. And yes, that sort of generic bashing was one of his favorite activities.
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Call it evidence that he would like to see as much chaos and confusion here as he can stir up.
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Dan replied.  Didn't name anyone but verified he had two starts disappear from his year a couple years ago. 

Hoosierbanana was that for me?  Stand up and say so if it was and I'll be happy to reply but for now it's simply a generic bashing without a place to land.  You must have somebody in mind.

As for the rest of you BB-10 owners, I hope if it matters, you can find sufficient evidence that allows you to feel comfortable with your possession of it.

For the thief and those knowing, your day is coming. You need to make it right with Dan. 
The most famous stolen fig in circulation is Ponte Tresa, that tree has been hacked to a nub by tourist and from what I understand you could get to cuttings without trespassing. The scum bag that stole Dans fig is guilty of trespassing and stealing. Risky business! I am glad mine is legit.

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If the full story of what happened is not known, it would be unfair to rush to any judgement on either side. When friends go through a “divorce”, a lot of crazy drama happens on both sides between two usually good people. What is known is that an angry Dan has chosen to cut himself off from everyone in the fig community for years and only emerges on eBay when there is money to be made.

The question remains: Is this a fig worth the hundreds of dollars people are throwing at it? Will it be good where you live? Will you even be able to root the cuttings? Some figs are notoriously hard to root.

With so many wonderful fig trees to grow, these Don Quixote quests for the perfect fig tree really say more about people’s personal issues than about figs. At least that's the way it seems to me. My own quests have come up with some really great fig trees so I can't complain. 

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It is my understanding that Dan does not own the original mother tree, I could be wrong, maybe I misunderstood his blogs. So if there is a mother tree elsewhere, is it possible that other cuttings from the owner of this tree be gifted or sold to other people? I definitely give all the credit due to Dan and his extensive research of this variety and wish him and us the best in getting this variety distributed to everyone, but I wish he had done this much earlier. My best wishes go out to Dan and everyone who buys from him.
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If the full story of what happened is not known, it would be unfair to rush to any judgement on either side. When friends go through a “divorce”, a lot of crazy drama happens on both sides between two usually good people. What is known is that an angry Dan has chosen to cut himself off from everyone in the fig community for years and only emerges on eBay when there is money to be made.

The question remains: Is this a fig worth the hundreds of dollars people are throwing at it? Will it be good where you live? Will you even be able to root the cuttings? Some figs are notoriously hard to root.

With so many wonderful fig trees to grow, these Don Quixote quests for the perfect fig tree really say more about people’s personal issues than about figs. At least that's the way it seems to me. My own quests have come up with some really great fig trees so I can't complain. 


Mara, this could be his intention. He was a jerk to me and to many. I don't believe a word he says without some type of proof.

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I received my BB10 cuttings from a friend of mine,he bought the lot where the original tree is located  ,the original owner was a professor who worked on the LSU fig propagation breeding program..........the professor is deceased so no one knows exactly THE orgin of this fig,all I know that's its the best fig I have ever tasted IMHO........

Finally, someone who has actually tasted the mythic fig. Why was it the best fig you have ever tasted? Could you be a little more specific? Why is it better than Black Madeira/Figo Preto, RdB, VdB or CdDN?

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Very high intense sweet berry taste........my first bite like to knock me off my feet

Thanks so much for sharing this info and the pictures. That's wonderful that you enjoy it. It sounds like a special fig.

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It's good to know Dan's still alive.
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I have bought from 2 different source, CajunB and WillsC. Hope I will successfully growing this great fig.
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Three little sticks selling for $100 on ebay. Meanwhile there are probably a number of homeowners in south Louisiana trimming a trash can full of these branches and putting them out with the garbage. Good marketing adds a ton of value!
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Looks like this is the hot fig for 2017. Glad this is getting out to members of the fig community. Thanks goes to
Dan, Willis, CajunB & Joe. Any pictures apart from Dan's pic's. I like the info provided by CajunB regarding the
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Three little sticks selling for $100 on ebay. Meanwhile there are probably a number of homeowners in south Louisiana trimming a trash can full of these branches and putting them out with the garbage. Good marketing adds a ton of value!

From Brian CajunB( I received my BB10 cuttings from a friend of mine,he bought the lot where the original tree is located ,the original owner was a professor who worked on the LSU fig propagation breeding program..........the professor is deceased so no one knows exactly THE orgin of this fig,all I know that's its the best fig I have ever tasted IMHO........) I highly doubt there are any of this variety being trimmed and thrown in the trash.


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I highly doubt there are any of this variety being trimmed and thrown in the trash.

You're probably right Brian, but pretty funny post just the same!

CajunB, does your friend who owns the tree like them as much as you?  Imagine having a large tree of beauties like that on the lot you purchased!

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A point I'd like to add to this conversation. In the past, When Dan had items up for sale or auction he used the proceeds to donate to children's causes.  His motivations are not for the sake of making a simple profit.

And, yes, I threw down for the cuttings.  Better to support the kids than get robbed blind by my poker buddies :D

Every year I make baby fig trees  for my students.  If these all take some kid is going to walk out of my class next year possessing one of the most coveted figs in figdom. And they'll have no clue what they've got.  And that in itself makes it worthwhile.  Hell, I may root a hundred of them over the next few years and plant them all over downtown for the homeless to eat from hahahah ...

 Then again, there's another reason for getting these... I lost most of my trees and all of my cuttings I bought from y'all good folk last year in Hurricane Matthew between flooding and my fridge dying on me and ruining my cutting stash... a way to salve that wound by getting something I know will be excellent and productive...

 "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors' fig tree". Okokok, I know, not in the original text..but it should be.  :D Y'all have a blessed day....



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In a culture like south Louisiana's where people are neighborly, how is it that a reportedly exceptional fig like BB-10 does not get widely shared between family and friends? I believe it is grown by many people who just call it something like "the black fig I got from my wife's Uncle Mike". Only 1 in a million of us are fig enthusiasts (sorely misunderstood by our spouses) who regularly read these forums. Normal people just can't rattle off the names of twenty different varieties :-)  I think a lot of people who have eaten this fruit for decades would be surprised to learn that their tree would not be discovered until 2011. Kind of like the locals in the New World were not discovered until 1492.

So when I wrote earlier that piles of BB-10 end up in the trash I think it is literally true. The people discarding these have no idea they own what is possibly one of the best figs on the planet or that a very small segment of society would pay six months of beer money for their pile of sticks :-)

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It looked like people in the original thread were quick to point out it looks very much like Kathleen Black/Noire De Caromb.

BB 10

http://files.websitetoolbox.com/30989/1162429

Noire De Caromb

http://www.galgoni.com/Images/016/016-02-M.JPG

I'm not seeing any major difference between them in pictures, that shows its not Noire De Caromb.

It would be nice to see someone who has Kathleen Black/Noire De Caromb and now has BB 10. To post some pictures in the future, of them growing side by side and showing it is a unique variety.

Many people have praised Kathleen Black/Noire De Caromb, for it high quality fruit.

It will be interesting to see how BB 10 rates against top figs in many people collections, now that it is officially released.


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Hi Sid,

People refer to SoCal as fig heaven, but if so, we are in "lower" heaven compared to your location. Are you now growing BB-10? I would love to see how it does in your area.

IIRC Wills C said his BB-10 is different from all 400 varieties he grows.

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Here's some friendly advice if you want BB-10 now.  Buy it now. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dans-Black-Beauty-10-BB-10-fig-cuttings-three-cuttings-/282349372641?hash=item41bd5584e1:g:fMoAAOSwopRYlARB

I'm not sure how many he plans on selling. If you got some it was a wise choice.

That's the good news. 

I can't bring myself to say the bad news. 

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Originally Posted by Figgysid1
It looked like people in the original thread were quick to point out it looks very much like Kathleen Black/Noire De Caromb. BB 10 http://files.websitetoolbox.com/30989/1162429 Noire De Caromb http://www.galgoni.com/Images/016/016-02-M.JPG I'm not seeing any major difference between them in pictures, that shows its not Noire De Caromb. It would be nice to see someone who has Kathleen Black/Noire De Caromb and now has BB 10. To post some pictures in the future, of them growing side by side and showing it is a unique variety. Many people have praised Kathleen Black/Noire De Caromb, for it high quality fruit. It will be interesting to see how BB 10 rates against top figs in many people collections, now that it is officially released.
Look up De la Reina MP by Axier and check out the pictures and description and post link if you can because I can't.

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Posting with Dan's permission, exact copy of an email he sent me awhile ago.  I almost feel bad for a lot of people and actually do for some.  This is going to rock some boats for sure but getting to the truth is seldom pretty. 

Hey Charlie,
 
I'm lmao at what was posted on fig4fun forum. The fig (Cajun b) posted IS NOT a BB10. Brian's fig has no neck.....BB10 has a long neck......look at the pictures.  I knew the professor Brian refers to when he was alive. I talked with him often like I did with many others who were in the fig breeding program at LSU. I know many growers who were given special selections by Dr. O'Rourke himself for them to trial in their orchards. Many that the current people at LSU Di not know existed.  know exactly where the professor obtained that particular fig tree that Brian references.....no one else does.....but I sure do. 
 
Brian's is not a LSU fig and it is not a BB10. I wrote about both figs cultivars on my Cajun fig blog and posted pictures of each. Brian's unknown's taste is super delicious but it has a bad productivity (FMV?) problem. The current owner of the property is named Rock.
 
As I've stated in my eBay listing, I alone know the original tree which produced the ~20 year old mother tree from which I  obtained the cuttings for my sales on eBay. I alone know it's original origin and, stated, am 100% certain it is different than all known European/Mediterranean in the US. It's DNA profile is different that all others because of how it evolved in isolation over the centuries.
 
I alone have invested years of experience growing this fig and was able to give its detailed growing and fruiting characteristics......yet other forum members come along knowing nothing about it and claiming its virtues......get it yet hossierbanna (aka Brent)? That old fig forum post of mine that you quoted was right on the money back then as it is today. Some things never change.
 
Dan 
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Thanks for posting Charlie, that makes me happy. I bought 2 from Dan because I know this fig is going to be off the chart.I am glad I got the real one, last time I checked he had 2 more better jump on this deal.
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Thanks for posting Charlie, that makes me happy. I bought 2 from Dan because I know this fig is going to be off the chart.I am glad I got the real one, last time I checked he had 2 more better jump on this deal.


According to another email from Dan, he never sold or gave it to anyone and nobody was allowed to see his orchard.  That means if any or all previously sold cuttings that didn't come straight from Dan fruit as BB-10, then they had to be from the starts that were stolen from him.    

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WOWEE.... I've been around long enough to know all about this plant and its long history with Dan and his days here and at Cajun figs.
I would like to wish all who bought this storied plant the best of luck with rooting and growing and please keep us updated on your results.

Intriguing to say the least

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If anyone needs an independant tester, please send me your version and I will be glad to compare them not only against each other but against other varieties which might be close.
The only disclaimer is that I will keep all the figs.

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This variety has a very distinct leaf shape. Mine are from Wills and the leaves are identical. Dan needs to get a life.
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