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Obviously, this did not turn out to be a Brown Turkey. But if you bought it with a BT label, you would have thought BT was a nice fig (I'm not a BT lover). This one had a nice "peachy" flavor in the 2007 season. Looked a lot like a Sal's, but different flavor.









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Jon,
Is this the one brought from Europe by a Maryland (MD)
WWII veteran in 1943?
George (NJ).


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Gorgi.

It came from Maryland, but I would have to do some digging to figure out from who.


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Hi Jon:This is the fig from cuttings i sent you,about 3 yrs ago.
It is from Columbia Maryland,as stated,by George.
I got it as a Brown Turkey from Warren Turner,and he got it from the doughter of WW2 veteran returning from E,in 1943.
The fig is still alive and it produces Thousands of figs every year,with no care whats ever.
It was never protected from cold and it never died.
If it is a Brown Turkey or not ,that is  debatable.
All I know is that this is a DINAMITE fig,that will keep every fruit,and ripe it in my back yard.
So far the best toghether with Marseilles vs.
Both are just as hardy as H Chicago,,and Sal's,but better producers,and Flavor.The minus is that they are only 30 -32 grams,in weight,so for comercial they might be not enough large for some people.

B.T.W.:If someone can recognize it from Above excellent picture,as a known variety of fig please speak up.!!!!And thanks
Happy Gardening

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Herman, you may be right, but I guess I didn't keep good enough records of where it came from. You are right, though, -- it isn't a BT, and the flavor is very, very nice.

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Just out of curiosity, what gives it away that it's not a brown turkey.  To the untrained eye (me) the outside looks like it.  The inside may look a little different but what do you see?  I am trying to educate myself.

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I think that some clarification is needed here.
On behalf of Herman (pardon my intrusion!), here is what I believe happened.

From the same source (and a while back), Herman got some (mixed-up?) cuttings as:
MD1943Brunswick,
MD1943Celeste
MD1943BT.

Herman and Jon later ID'd the Celeste as the Marseilles Black (VS).
The VS part stands for Herman's  initials.

The MB and BT always looked somewhat similar to me.
I kept asking questions about the MB/BT. For a while,
the answer was that fruit with a short-neck=MB and long-neck=BT.
Last season, Herman told me that the MD1943BT does not exist at all!
It is also an MB. Both trees are the same (moody) fig, aka MB;
that produce both short and long neck fruit depending on the
current local [ever changing] micro environment.

Sorry, if any unintentional confusion was caused
[from anybody to anybody].
Herman and/or Jon can correct me or elaborate some more...



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fishacura, size, shape, eye, color and flavor

gorgi,

You lost me when you introduced "MB" into this equation.

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MB = Marseilles Black (VS).

Essentially, what I am saying, is that the originally perceived
MD1943Celeste and MD1943BT as different figs are now
both the same exact fig, i.e., Marseilles Black (VS).

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So Gorgi,
you're saying Marseille Black VS. is the same as your MD1943 Brown Turkey?


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Yes Bass,
That is exactly my current honest believe.


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I also Confirm George Conclusion,and Testify that it took me Five years of close observation to come to this conclusion,but here it is.
For whoever have one or both trees,all I can tell you is that this cultivar is over and above reliable and good tasting,and the hardest it can be.
Of course some people will disagree based on fruitshape in their backyard,wich is in some years very elongated,while in other round,but they both are basically tasting about the same wich is excellent.
Here is an example of very long fruits I got 2 years ago.
This year they were much shorter without neck.
The first Picture is a picture taken this year and the last 2 pictures are taken last year,of the same cultivar but different plants.
One can see how variable it can be.
This year(first picture) the fruits were smaller and round.
The only thing the same was the good taste.
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Oh yes Herman!
MB is definitely a good-fig keeper for me.
Let me just say this. This year I was very late in bringing my dormant figs
inside the garage. Amongst the huffing and buffing,  when I came to
(one of) my MBs, I noticed 3 small figs drooping on the bare wood.
Though very late, they were still edible - and a very nice treat at that time...


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This is one heck of a big fig-success event!

I raise my hat to:
Warren (of MD),
Herman (of NJ),
Jon (of CA),
and MOST OF ALL to the brave WWII Vet (from Columbia, MD - name unknown);
that originally brought the twigs with him (probably in a duffel bag -forget
them modern strong Samsonite luggage bags),
while returing back  home (alive - in one piece), liberating EU, possibly my parents
(and future - little me!); proud that my little homeland island was NEVER occupied by them Nazis!?

Thanks Herman for your extensive work figuring out what is best for us-up-north-fig-people.

Thanks Jon/Herman for the fig-ID.

Thanks Warren for (initially) finding and distributing it.

This fig  currently goes with the name of Marseilles Black VS.
The VS part stands for Herman's initials.

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That was very nice George!
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I find this fascinating as I also received cuttings from Warren 5 or more years ago ID'd as BT.   The resulting trees produced very high quality fruit that matched the description of English BT,  being a rather large pear shaped brown fruit of very good flavor.  There was some discussion of this,  maybe on GW, quite a while back.  I still have a tree and the fruit is still shaped like an OP breba  and the color is more brownish yellow  not looking anything like the pix posted on this thread.

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Bob,
Warren most probably (like most of us) must have/had multiple BT variants... 

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