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Hmm, GreenFin (James) used to have Black Beauty 10 listed for sale on his site (I think it was for $12).  But now (within just the last few days or less), it seems to have been removed.  I wonder why?

Did he just run out - or start doubting what he actually had?

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Charlie please post.....
 
Please tell Brian if he obtained his BB10  cuttings from Gary (aka..Rock) Duhe's orchard.....he is a bald face liar when he stated he was selling BB10 cuttings from the mother BB10 fig tree.  That's impossible because the mother tree is elsewhere at least 50 miles away.
 
 I knew the LSU professor (for years) who planted that orchard. And I am very familiar with all of the fruit trees, nut trees, persimmons, citrus, pears, and berries that Dr. Sid grew in his orchard.......both past and present plantings. The only black fig on that property was a special fig tree that was forced to grow as a dwarf fig tree by using a special technique.  Dr. Sid showed me how to produce dwarf fig trees from large fig trees. This was done with the purposeful intent to grow otherwise genetically huge Fig trees as dwarf trees for pot culture. I never shared this technique with anyone because of its potential marketing value. 
 
 Brian does not know the provenance of any of the trees Dr. Sid planted years ago on his property...but, I sure do know exactly where they all came from.  I even know where that dying dwarf black fig that is growing on the property right now, came from. It is not a LSU fig nor is it a BB10 as I've stated.
 
 One of those varieties in that old orchard came from a tree written about in Ira Condit's huge book on figs. 
 
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If anyone needs an independant tester, please send me your version and I will be glad to compare them not only against each other but against other varieties which might be close. The only disclaimer is that I will keep all the figs.


:) With offers like these, who needs ebay to unload figs?

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CajunB, the only part that doesn't sit well with me is what you wrote to me on 7/20/15 when I was inquiring about the possibility getting cuttings from you: "I received cutting from Dan and paid dearly for it".  That doesn't mesh very well with everything here. 
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CajunB, the only part that doesn't sit well with me is what you wrote to me on 7/20/15 when I was inquiring about the possibility getting cuttings from you: "I received cutting from Dan and paid dearly for it".  That doesn't mesh very well with everything here. 

Somebody is obviously lying. Just dissapointing.

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Two leaf photos. Dan and Wills. They are the same. I can't find a leaf photo from CajunB

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Folks... I am SO VERY SORRY to have bumped this topic back on post #50 asking about Dan... This topic has turned into a case of men behaving badly.... Lies, acqusations and damn lies... I frankly don't care one way or another whether Dan's is the one and only true BB10 / Kathleen's Black (as he himself suggested in one of his earlier posts) and only cuttings anointed with Dan's personal spit are the only authentic BB10 cuttings and all others are accidental or intentional counterfeits or everyone's is the same cultivar.... be it Kathleen's Black or otherwise a new variety. It surely matters to Dan and perhaps those few others who ONLY look to acquire the variety for monetary gain, it shouldn't matter to those of us interested in figs for their beauty and their taste....

What I do find personally offensive is that the guy doesn't speak for himself... he uses a mouthpiece and hides behind a mouthpiece. Semper Fi? My ass! A true marine wouldn't hide behind a mouthpiece, he would MAN up! Charlie, no personal offence intended but why would you even choose to represent someone who won't speak for himself. I previously thought that Dan was really something... now I think he has become the serpent in the Garden of Eden slithering around and using others to sow doubt, discord and discontent.... I have lost any respect that I might have felt for this person; he went away.... he should have stayed away...
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I have been looking at the picture of the mother tree that Dan posted and I can't tell for sure but is that 4 power lines in the top left hand corner of the 3rd picture?
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I am 100% sure they are the same fig,the only way to prove this is to have all buyers of cuttings from all sellers to compare the end product when figs are harvested


  "So let it be written, so let it be done.

   I've purchased from three sellers now, all professing to have the B/B -10.    By next summer at the latest, at least I for one will know the truth about which source has earned an "unsafe at any speed" rating.
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Brian could you please post a leaf photo?
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I truly believe CAJUN B. I am digusted with this horrible B.S. Goodby figs4fun as many of my fig friends have left also.
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You are leaving because someone posted a couple comments on behalf of Dan?  If you have problems with Dan's comments, he's not even on this forum anymore.  A couple of quotes from him are not worth getting too upset about.  Just don't read this thread and enjoy your cuttings from Cajun B. :)
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Thank you for your comment ADIPOSE. Have a great fig year.
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Why would I represent Dan?  That's simple.  I have to.  There's a fig thief and I mean to get to the truth. It could have been anybody and I would have done the same thing. I really don't care who it doesn't matter to.  It matters to many and I represent all of them as well.  Dan still has an account here and if he chooses to pop in and speak for his self then that's his choice.  Maybe he can't access the forum from an Ipad, I don't know.  I set out to do this and will see it to the end and that will be when Dan knows for a fact who stole his trees.  What he does after that is his business.

I never once named anybody I thought was the thief, just showing evidence.  Let it fall on the guilty one.

Charlie please post this truth.....
 
Brian you have told so many lies you can't remember the truth anymore. I never once sold any cuttings to you or any figs starts of any variety. I never stated anywhere that I had bought Dr. Sid's old Orchard. Why would I do that when the current owner (Rock) has given me full permission to document the growing and fruiting characteristics of all of his trees?  (Other fig growers who have little known O'Rourke special selections, have given me similar permission to study their mature trees.) I have full run of Dr. Sid's old orchard again with permission from the current owner.  I could have sold thousands of cuttings from his trees (and other orchards that I study) if I was into figs to make money.  As I stated many times before, I am a fig researcher and not a fig collector. You've got fig fever so bad you are seeing buildings that do not exist!

Need more proof you are a liar....shame on you Brian.
 
Here is a screenshot of a post of yours dated 7-20-2015......around the time two BB-10 fig starts were stolen from my front yard:
 
[Capture_2] 
 
In that post above you claimed I sold BB10 cuttings to you at a very high price.......liar liar pants on fire. I thought you said earlier in this thread that you got them from the mother tree. Strange that two BB10 fig starts were STOLEN from my front yard prior to your post above.
 
Furthermore, right now Brian is selling a fig on eBay that he is calling LSU Strawberry.......as though it was an O'Rourke hybrid. Nothing can be further from the truth. Stolen Valor comes to mind..........Dr. Sid personally told me that Strawberry heirloom (which grows in his old orchard in the back right hand corner) originated from Abbeyville, Louisiana. It was brought over by Italian immigrants many years ago. I have pictures with its growing/fruiting characteristics on my Cajun Fig blog......and I still continue to study that tree.  I wouldn't buy that LSU Strawberry fig variety because the Joe Hood Adriatic (JH Adriatic) is a much better fig.....which I've documented in detail on my fig blog. 
 
Shame on you Brian for your lies and the disinformation that you have put out to the fig world. Now you know why I don't allow ANY fig collectors in my fruit orchards. 
 
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Please post........

Here are pictures of the BB10 cuttings that I took this morning from the mother BB10 tree. These will be shipped shortly. We had several tornados in my area yesterday and I was not able to go get them  in Baton Rouge as I planned.  Notice these are almost all nice branch tip cuttings with quite a few having a branch notch on the bottom.  FYI.....branch notch cuttings are the best for rooting. This is what cuttings should look like that come from a mature fig tree. Cuttings from young fig trees will look different.

Cuttings from a young fig tree will contain lots of interior wood  with few branch tip cuttings. The leaf nodes will usually be farther apart. Now I ask those who bought BB10 cuttings from Brian, how did they look?  Did they have many tip cuttings as shown in this picture or much interior wood cuttings? Were they all nice tip cuttings....there are thousands on the mother tree. They should have been all tip cuttings if he really had access to the mother tree.

Now if a Brian really has access to the mother BB10 tree that is in Gary Duhe's orchard as he claims, why didn't he sell hundreds more on eBay that looked just like the ones I got this morning?  I left hundreds more on the mother tree this morning for Brian to go get them and list on eBay. They are selling fast at a good price. My Children International kids will be happy with the money from the ones I've sold.

Thanks to all who bought cuttings from me.

Brian your lies have caught up with you! Shame on you....

Dan
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[BB_10_1] 

[BB_10_2] 

Last word from me as I will forever disappear again from the fig world.....too many jealous, lying, hateful people. I don't need the affirmation of any fig collectors to validate my fig research work work.

One thing is for sure; if Brian's claimed BB10 cuttings produce the real deal, I will be 100% sure that it was he who stole two fig starts from me.....and that is the source of his cuttings.  Regarding his comment that he put a lot of time to find it is laughable, considering many peeps in my area know about Dr. Sid's old  orchard (paw paw gene, eatmoreyeah, maybe Noss, and another pest exterminator man from Chackbay who's user name I don't recall) its location is no secret.  The actual BB10 mother tree is located 50 miles away in Baton Rouge.....not in Thibodaux, La where Brian claims the mother tree is located.  BB10 is growing in a private individuals side yard along side a couple of other fruit trees. It was not like Brian could  go ask people in my area where he could find one of those BB10 fig trees. No one would know what he was asking about .......because I was the one who gave BB10 its name.  No one in my area knows about that fig. Only a few forum people knew of its name. Sadly it appears Brian stole two fig starts from me.....and he is doubling down with his lies. I'm totally disgusted with the fig community.

Hope all goes well with you and that you enjoy your figs as much as I do. Take care.

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In response to the comment about tip cuttings, I did order and receive two BB10.  One was a tip cutting and the other was not, if I recall correctly.
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Thank you for your comment ADIPOSE. Have a great fig year.


You as well.  My grow lights have already been activated!

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Why would I represent Dan?  That's simple.  I have to.  There's a fig thief and I mean to get to the truth. It could have been anybody and I would have done the same thing. I really don't care who it doesn't matter to.  It matters to many and I represent all of them as well.  Dan still has an account here and if he chooses to pop in and speak for his self then that's his choice.  Maybe he can't access the forum from an Ipad, I don't know.  I set out to do this and will see it to the end and that will be when Dan knows for a fact who stole his trees.  What he does after that is his business.

I never once named anybody I thought was the thief, just showing evidence.  Let it fall on the guilty one.

Charlie please post this truth.....
 
Brian you have told so many lies you can't remember the truth anymore. I never once sold any cuttings to you or any figs starts of any variety. I never stated anywhere that I had bought Dr. Sid's old Orchard. Why would I do that when the current owner (Rock) has given me full permission to document the growing and fruiting characteristics of all of his trees?  (Other fig growers who have little known O'Rourke special selections, have given me similar permission to study their mature trees.) I have full run of Dr. Sid's old orchard again with permission from the current owner.  I could have sold thousands of cuttings from his trees (and other orchards that I study) if I was into figs to make money.  As I stated many times before, I am a fig researcher and not a fig collector. You've got fig fever so bad you are seeing buildings that do not exist!

Need more proof you are a liar....shame on you Brian.
 
Here is a screenshot of a post of yours dated 7-20-2015......around the time two BB-10 fig starts were stolen from my front yard:
 
[Capture_2] 
 
In that post above you claimed I sold BB10 cuttings to you at a very high price.......liar liar pants on fire. I thought you said earlier in this thread that you got them from the mother tree. Strange that two BB10 fig starts were STOLEN from my front yard prior to your post above.
 
Furthermore, right now Brian is selling a fig on eBay that he is calling LSU Strawberry.......as though it was an O'Rourke hybrid. Nothing can be further from the truth. Stolen Valor comes to mind..........Dr. Sid personally told me that Strawberry heirloom (which grows in his old orchard in the back right hand corner) originated from Abbeyville, Louisiana. It was brought over by Italian immigrants many years ago. I have pictures with its growing/fruiting characteristics on my Cajun Fig blog......and I still continue to study that tree.  I wouldn't buy that LSU Strawberry fig variety because the Joe Hood Adriatic (JH Adriatic) is a much better fig.....which I've documented in detail on my fig blog. 
 
Shame on you Brian for your lies and the disinformation that you have put out to the fig world. Now you know why I don't allow ANY fig collectors in my fruit orchards. 
 
Dan
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Please post........

Here are pictures of the BB10 cuttings that I took this morning from the mother BB10 tree. These will be shipped shortly. We had several tornados in my area yesterday and I was not able to go get them  in Baton Rouge as I planned.  Notice these are almost all nice branch tip cuttings with quite a few having a branch notch on the bottom.  FYI.....branch notch cuttings are the best for rooting. This is what cuttings should look like that come from a mature fig tree. Cuttings from young fig trees will look different.

Cuttings from a young fig tree will contain lots of interior wood  with few branch tip cuttings. The leaf nodes will usually be farther apart. Now I ask those who bought BB10 cuttings from Brian, how did they look?  Did they have many tip cuttings as shown in this picture or much interior wood cuttings? Were they all nice tip cuttings....there are thousands on the mother tree. They should have been all tip cuttings if he really had access to the mother tree.

Now if a Brian really has access to the mother BB10 tree that is in Gary Duhe's orchard as he claims, why didn't he sell hundreds more on eBay that looked just like the ones I got this morning?  I left hundreds more on the mother tree this morning for Brian to go get them and list on eBay. They are selling fast at a good price. My Children International kids will be happy with the money from the ones I've sold.

Thanks to all who bought cuttings from me.

Brian your lies have caught up with you! Shame on you....

Dan
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[BB_10_1] 

[BB_10_2] 

Last word from me as I will forever disappear again from the fig world.....too many jealous, lying, hateful people. I don't need the affirmation of any fig collectors to validate my fig research work work.

One thing is for sure; if Brian's claimed BB10 cuttings produce the real deal, I will be 100% sure that it was he who stole two fig starts from me.....and that is the source of his cuttings.  Regarding his comment that he put a lot of time to find it is laughable, considering many peeps in my area know about Dr. Sid's old  orchard (paw paw gene, eatmoreyeah, maybe Noss, and another pest exterminator man from Chackbay who's user name I don't recall) its location is no secret.  The actual BB10 mother tree is located 50 miles away in Baton Rouge.....not in Thibodaux, La where Brian claims the mother tree is located.  BB10 is growing in a private individuals side yard along side a couple of other fruit trees. It was not like Brian could  go ask people in my area where he could find one of those BB10 fig trees. No one would know what he was asking about .......because I was the one who gave BB10 its name.  No one in my area knows about that fig. Only a few forum people knew of its name. Sadly it appears Brian stole two fig starts from me.....and he is doubling down with his lies. I'm totally disgusted with the fig community.

Hope all goes well with you and that you enjoy your figs as much as I do. Take care.

Dan
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Charlie, you could be an official FIG investigator lol

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Last word from me as I will forever disappear again from the fig world.....too many jealous, lying, hateful people. I don't need the affirmation of any fig collectors to validate my fig research work.


@Dan

I for one am not jealous, lying or hateful towards you. I feel sorry for you. 

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A lot of people owe Dan a big apology. I don't blame him for leaving the fig community. He worked hard on this fig and it was stole from him, yall would be mad too if you had a prize fig that you found researched and someone trespassed on your land and stole your pride and joy.Thanks Charlie for having the balls to shed light on this darkness!
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Folks... I am SO VERY SORRY to have bumped this topic back on post #50 asking about Dan... This topic has turned into a case of men behaving badly.... Lies, acqusations and damn lies... I frankly don't care one way or another whether Dan's is the one and only true BB10 / Kathleen's Black (as he himself suggested in one of his earlier posts) and only cuttings anointed with Dan's personal spit are the only authentic BB10 cuttings and all others are accidental or intentional counterfeits or everyone's is the same cultivar.... be it Kathleen's Black or otherwise a new variety. It surely matters to Dan and perhaps those few others who ONLY look to acquire the variety for monetary gain, it shouldn't matter to those of us interested in figs for their beauty and their taste....

What I do find personally offensive is that the guy doesn't speak for himself... he uses a mouthpiece and hides behind a mouthpiece. Semper Fi? My ass! A true marine wouldn't hide behind a mouthpiece, he would MAN up! Charlie, no personal offence intended but why would you even choose to represent someone who won't speak for himself. I previously thought that Dan was really something... now I think he has become the serpent in the Garden of Eden slithering around and using others to sow doubt, discord and discontent.... I have lost any respect that I might have felt for this person; he went away.... he should have stayed away...
And for you to talk down to a United States Marine says a lot about your character.Dan is in fact a marine, he proudly displayed a picture of himself in his Marine uniform on his Cajun fig blog.Shame,shame.

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Hmm, GreenFin (James) used to have Black Beauty 10 listed for sale on his site (I think it was for $12).  But now (within just the last few days or less), it seems to have been removed.  I wonder why?

Did he just run out - or start doubting what he actually had?

No I didn't, you are wrong.  I never had Black Beauty 10 listed for sale.  I didn't even own it, and only very recently bought some cuttings after seeing them mentioned on this forum.

There sure are a lot of lies being told about me nowadays.  Someone earlier today reported to me that someone was spreading a lie that I have been blacklisted by Malaysian customs, and yesterday I heard that someone was spreading a lie that I'm going to be shipping out green cuttings.  It's disgraceful that some people are stooping to such depths.

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Thanks for making these available, Dan.  I bought a bundle a few days ago and am really looking forward to growing them :)

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No I didn't, you are wrong.  I never had Black Beauty 10 listed for sale.  I didn't even own it, and only very recently bought some cuttings after seeing them mentioned on this forum.

There sure are a lot of lies being told about me nowadays.  Someone earlier today reported to me that someone was spreading a lie that I have been blacklisted by Malaysian customs, and yesterday I heard that someone was spreading a lie that I'm going to be shipping out green cuttings.  It's disgraceful that some people are stooping to such depths.
Ahhh, BIG APOLOGIES...OOOPS!!  My memory got confused, and I was actually thinking about another rare desirable, Ponte Tresa, which you do still have listed for $20.

I absolutely stand corrected - MY BAD and a regretful error.  I actually asked, because I've been interested in your offerings and have been considering a purchase...if you aren't too ridiculously backlogged.  I know tensions are rising around all these questions, and I didn't mean to add any bad fuel to the fires here.  Just had a brain fart.  Again, sorry for the false alarm - nothing to see here, folks.

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How about those figs...
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Due to Dan's contention that CajunB's plants came from a different tree, and unless it's worked out to Dan's satisfaction that they are the same plant I would strongly recommend we use different names to avoid additional name problems in the future.  May I recommend:

Dan's BB-10
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Unk BB-10 or else CajunB's BB-10  (which do you guys think is preferable?)

I think the only reasoning for not doing this would be based on greed at the expense of the fig community.

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yeren -- No problem :)  Thanks for clearing up what you'd been thinking.

GregMartin -- Good idea.  Another possibility for the names would be to put the BB10 part first, like this: BB10 (Dan's) and BB10 Unk. 

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One thing for sure those are some nice looking cuttings!  I really want this fig to be something special and at least these cuttings look like they will thrive.
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the only variant that met my expectations in all the fig hype's have been RdB. Fun in trialling.
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Hey Greg, have you made that suggestion on OurFigs yet?
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Hey Greg, have you made that suggestion on OurFigs yet?

I think WW3 in figs would happen. I think we know the story now.

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We only fight on this forum! :)  (Couldn't help the joke)

I figured I'd wait and see how the suggestion went here first.  I expect that people on the forum have already read it.  But yeah, figured I'd post there if it wasn't totally shot down here.

Regarding fighting, I think that it's likely that many collectors will want to trial plants from both sources, so hopefully people will be ok with the temporary extra labeling info until side by side trials are completed.  Fingers crossed that we can avoid WW3 over something like this! 

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At this point it seems Dan is resigned to the varieties being the same.  But, if it is, he claims it leaked out in an illegal fashion.  In any event, he just sent 30 cuttings out into the world, so by this time next year it will have been freed.

I don't support fig espionage, but I do think all figs should be set free :)

edit: apparently there were two auctions with 4 each, which makes 80, not 30.

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A comparison has been made on another forum between BB 10 and the great French fig Sultane. The fruits match. The leaves match. Even the countries match since there were a lot of French who settled where the tree is growing. Très intéressant....
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If anyone missed out, it looks like Dan has a few more sets up for sale.
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It's not worth 100$, I think people are foolish to have paid that. I have a 200$ fig tree in my basement sure, but I was an IDIOT for spending that. For 3 cuttings? Come on guys, control the addiction.

Also, I really want to know dans dwarfing technique.
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Since there are many in the wild now I think it's important to differentiate them.  Usually we do exactly what Greg suggested.  The format is usually something like BB-10 DL and BB-10 BR, or however the person who introduced the plants wants their identity attached.

Perhaps Charlie could ask Dan.  He listed it as Dan's BB-10 so maybe that's how he wants it.

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Hey Robert, since you and Greg are spearheading this decision, why not try to get opinions from members on OurFigs, their opinion counts too. This group should not be the only forum in this discussion. Either both are true BB-10, from the same mother tree, or only one is the true BB-10 if from separate mother trees..... My point is, if they are both BB-10 the SAME exact fig in all ways, why would we use different names. Now if they are in fact different then why would we call them both BB-10??? This fig stuff is getting too complicated OR we are doing our best to make it complicated. Dan named this fig period, wouldn't it be terrible if his figs are circulated, even by someone else, and given another name?
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If Brian was in this for money then why would he sell 3 cuttings for just $20, while it was being sold for few hundreds. Wouldn't it be easier for him to just stay low and enjoy his fruits?.. $20?? I mean common what is he gonna get for a $20..a tin of Spam and chips?..for all this crap from Fig community!..There are lots of confusion in the fig community and bad communication . Most of us know each other through forums and other social media, so it's really inappropriate to judge someone based on what others say. In other words most of us don't know each other. I think we all are good people. I don't think Brian would take Dans tree without permission, maybe he just forgot about the location, maybe it was a while ago. Not all of can run a fig protection and data recovery unit to remember exact details after months if not years. There are other priorities in life , children's , health, wife maybe!..
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In this case the new fig "discoverer" is saying it's the same fig.  In that event we do not need another name at all, but simply to believe the second person or not.  There is BB-10 only, and a debate about whether Brian has it or not.  Now if anyone wants to call Brian's BB-10 "BB-10 Brian" that's up to them.  I record where all my figs come from and do not need a special name unless the community agrees they are different.
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I record where all my figs come from and do not need a special name unless the community agrees they are different.


I agree with that statement . It's kinda cheap when people name fruit trees after themselves with their own initials LOL. It's ok if they are a Breeder and discovered a new variety through their breeding program.

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Brian is a humble kind hearted person. It is very obvious he doesn't do this for the money. He is very knowledgeable about figs not to mention very giving. Members who actually know him here know exactly what I mean.
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Originally Posted by kkk2210
If Brian was in this for money then why would he sell 3 cuttings for just $20, while it was being sold for few hundreds. Wouldn't it be easier for him to just stay low and enjoy his fruits?.. $20?? I mean common what is he gonna get for a $20..a tin of Spam and chips?..for all this crap from Fig community!..There are lots of confusion in the fig community and bad communication . Most of us know each other through forums and other social media, so it's really inappropriate to judge someone based on what others say. In other words most of us don't know each other. I think we all are good people. I don't think Brian would take Dans tree without permission, maybe he just forgot about the location, maybe it was a while ago. Not all of can run a fig protection and data recovery unit to remember exact details after months if not years. There are other priorities in life , children's , health, wife maybe!..


Brian sent me BB10 cuttings for nothing. I didn't even ask.. he offered. I also started growing figs after Dan made his immature exit. I viewed him all this time in an unbiased manner. Even after so many stories... But now it's clear, and I think we all know who the psychopath is in this thread...

As a side note. The leaves/fruit from both sources are exactly the same. Look into it.
Brian: https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-home/114357-dan-s-black-beauty-10
Dan: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dan-039-s-Black-Beauty-10-BB-10-fig-cuttings-three-cuttings-/282348723827?rmvSB=true&hash=item41bd4b9e73%3Ag%3AfMoAAOSwopRYlARB&nma=true&si=1g5pCLX1%252Ba%252ByiDGWXSVBWqtPtbk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

@Wayne We don't need another Rafed's/Rob's Genovese Nero situation. I can tell you that the people on OurFigs will say the same thing. We do not need to have separate names for figs that haven't been proven different yet. If that occurs (which we will know for sure this summer) then we should go ahead with Greg's plan. I think we're jumping the gun a little here.



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Lol, if BB10 is liken close to Kathleen Blk or Sultane, it is not a 10 in my books. I am thinking
of getting rid of my Kathleen Blk. We have many fig variants here that are better than KB.

@gardencrochet, I heard many good things about CajunB & I hope he continue
to contribute to this fig community. Maybe one day, I get to meet him & the rest of the Southern
Louisiana collectors.
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The BB10, by any name is an "UNKNOWN", until proven.  Exactly how that would be accomplished remains a common question on all "Unknowns".  How many "Unknowns" are really examples of existing named figs?  Why do we accept the names that we do? We automatically accepted the name BB10 and never considered that it should have been "BB10 Unknown"

If there were DNA data, who, in our community would be competent to interpret/declare the results?  Getting the DNA would be the easy part, testing for duplicates would be the expensive part(?).  A tremendous amount of data now resides at UC Davis/Riverside.

If we were a formal organization we would/could/should have a panel to determine what a particular fig should be named.  We are our own "Worst Enemy" when it comes to naming figs.  At some time in the future a fig will be submitted to someone/some entity for identification and study to determine whether or not it is a "New" fig (dreaming on my part).

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You should see the chili pepper community sometime because it's so easy to create a one time hybrid f2. It can get pretty crazy.
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Down the road when you guys grow these fig cuttings out if anybody want to trade for a Craven's Craving, contact me. I'm on a fixed income for the most part besides the Cd's I sell on Ebay. I can't afford the prices for these figs. Yet I still have the addiction. Also looking for Pointe Tersa, and   Genovese Nero (Rafed's). Also just because I rarely see small yellow figs would trade for Pingo de Mel.
Currently I have no plants to offer, my CC is going on 2nd leaf. From padsfan, so cuttings are not from original tree, but from my plant which is from the original tree. I have no plans to sell it (although I reserve the right to change my mind), trade only. And probably not till next year! Just getting it out to make future arrangements. Interested in trading plants, not cuttings. I plan to propagate CC this summer.
Another I'm looking for a Bass Favorite. I have a source, but if I get it elsewhere, I can get something else from that source, which will be the first person to receive a CC from me. Just to let him know, he can do whatever he wants with it, as can anybody I trade with.
It will be a 6 months to a year before I will actually have plants to trade, again just getting it out there. Otherwise I have little chance of ever growing these rare plants.

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Thanks all for all the offers for BB, a great community we have here. Offer to trade for BB is closed, too many offers already for me to even come close to having enough plants to do. I'll offer to trade more in the future. Many fig trees I want to try, but I don't want to promise anymore plants out at this time. I'll do the same with BB once it's going and such.

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You're a good person Drew, even though the big bucks you could use more than most of us, you choose a more generous route. Good luck in your trades and start posting a wish list, some of us just might have what you want.
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Well ... if too many trades came Drew's way....

Anybody intrested in a cold hardy (zone 6) Russian pomegranate ( Nikitskii Ranii aka crimson Sky), rooted plant for a rooted BB10?


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For everyone fustrated with this thread...


You can learn things, even from people who may be very diffrent from your sense of "normalicy". On this thread I learnt that a branch node roots easier...in fact I have a Napolitana Negra that rooted on a branch node just recently rooted way up on a branch junction....now I know why. ;)

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Charlie please post....

Jon Verdic revoked my posting privileges years ago for me arguing with other forum fig collectors......not a big deal and as I prefer Blogging instead.  This will be the last time ever posting about figs on the Internet in any format whatsoever I have much better things to do than to continue arguing with fellow fig nuts.

To all who have purchased BB10 cuttings from me on my eBay listings.........both my Children's International kids and I thank you. I never studied figs for a monetary gain and I did share lots of good fig related information over the years. A good bit of that information was deleted by me on exiting this forum. But y'all got to admit, I did surface many new fig varieties for the Fig community.

I am content in knowing that I found a few good figs growing  here in South Louisiana and in knowing that the Smith fig will never fade away into extinction. I made it popular through my many writings...and never once sold Smith cuttings. It is a very good Louisiana heirloom fig ........originating from Croatia as told to me by the grandson of the immigrant who brought it to Louisiana years ago. The Becnel family use to propagate it but stopped because their customers did not want it due to its name.

With that said, I am so disgusted with many in the fig community that I just don't give a damn about sharing fig information with anyone anymore. I don't care what the fig community wants to call this BB10 fig and vow NEVER to discuss figs with ANYONE ever again. Not in any format whatsoever. I will get my pleasure in EATING figs, raising chickens, and blogging about Climate change....not in discussing figs or collecting them. Yeah, I'm crazy like that......... but, at least I've accomplished what I set out to do....find good figs for growing here in the hot and humid South!!

If any of you buyers missed the provance of this BB10 fig as was documented on my fig blog, I post the following information just for you:

BB10 is a Persian fig which originated in the cold/rainy mountainous area of northern Iran. It was locked away from the West for centuries due to political/religious reasons. At least that is what the Iranian immigrant told me who planted the mother BB10 tree in Baton Rouge.  The Iranian immigrant came over around the time the Shaw of Iran was overthrown. He can never go back for political reasons.

Part of my research involves studying Persian figs. IMO, Persians figs just taste better than European /Mediterranean figs which is something pointed out to me by Iranians. It is why I have searched for and obtained others in my collection.  I believe they taste better because it is a genetic evolution thing. Persian figs evolved on a separate path than the European figs.

Thank god I never discussed another delicious Persian fig that I call GG-10 (Golden Goddess 10)!! I give them those type names so I can keep track of them. Shame on me for not clearing names with the Fig Forum Naming Committee........lmao

So long Folks........enjoy your figs no matter the name or it's provonace. The best fig is the one that makes you happy!! ......no matter what any fig forum member tries to tell you...including me!

Dan.....a crazy but very happy old man!!
Semper Fi-cus, as always, to all you fig nuts no matter what you may think of me. Goodbye.

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I guess that's all folks.  I'll be in Rafed's fig group on facebook minding my own affairs and making biochar devices.  Have fun with whatever.   

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