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Fig - Dalmatie and  Fig - Precoce de Dalmatie.
Are they both same. I am really confused :(

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This is a good question I was wondering the same thing but I hadn't had the time to research it.
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I don't have this fig.  "precoce" means early fig. 
The photos on the web show a reddish fig rather than green Dalmatie.  
Its supposed to be a cross with Celeste.

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I don't have this fig.  "precoce" means early fig. 
The photos on the web show a reddish fig rather than green Dalmatie.  
Its supposed to be a cross with Celeste.
hi , thanks for that. you are right , just found it after I searched for cross with celeste. Precoce de dalmatie got a reddish or like a purple stripe on their skin. I'm gonna buy one soon as they are an early varaitey .

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Hello Vinny,
  I read an Article from Sweden that the Precoce de Dalmatie is also called (Bornholm fig) which looks similar to the Bornholm Diamond aka Bornholm Nexo,but is not the same fig and produces earlier figs.
Phil from Northern Ohio
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Hi,
"Precoce de Dalmatie" is not a common found fig . This fig is for now not well known here. I can't find it here in nurseries - although the name is in French.

The "Dalmatie" fig is well rated for its cold hardiness and the small size of the tree .
I bought one tree 5 or 6 years ago, and currently growing 6 trees or so . For now only the mother tree has been productive. The fig is greenish yellowish when ripe with strawberry colored flesh.
IMO, "Dalmatie" is a good fig . I'm still sharpening my opinion on the breba crop as the figs are big but not numerous - so not many occasions to taste. The main crop is smaller but still big, and good tasting.
After 5 years, the tree had a hundred main crop figs last year. I was surprised ! Lets see what this year brings !

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Hi all,

This cultivar is commonly found and grown in UK, I have fig trees bought from Uk.
My Precose de Dalmatie fig trees are 2 years old, fast growers, vigorous, in ground.
They formed figs last years, but figs didn't ripen. Maybe this year will be a change...

Dalmatie and Precose de Dalmatie are different cultivars, but they could have 
common origin, dalmatian coast, in Croatia.

This is one of my Precose de Dalmatie:
rps20150202_145410.jpg


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Based on Rofig's pictures of his Precose de Dalmatie and pictures posted of Bornholm/Nexoe I'd have to say they are different, too. Very different leaf shape.

Here are some photos of Bornholm/Nexoe: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/nexoe-fig-variety-from-denmark-4669382
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Based on Rofig's pictures of his Precose de Dalmatie and pictures posted of Bornholm/Nexoe I'd have to say they are different, too. Very different leaf shape.

Here are some photos of Bornholm/Nexoe: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/nexoe-fig-variety-from-denmark-4669382
hello, sorry but I am confused with your reply. Are you saying Precose de dalmatie and Bornholm are similar figs or is it just another example

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I was agreeing with peak42's comment. Sorry for the confusion there. I have seen it mentioned that those varieties are the same but it doesn't seem that's the case based on the pictures being posted. Unfortunately, I don't really have an answer for your initial question.
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I was agreeing with peak42's comment. Sorry for the confusion there. I have seen it mentioned that those varieties are the same but it doesn't seem that's the case based on the pictures being posted. Unfortunately, I don't really have an answer for your initial question.
hi thanks . I didn't realise that you were quoting on peak42 . Vinny

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It seems that there is much confusion on fig cultivars name: same cultivars has different names,
but in this case, under the same name, 'Bornholm fig', there could be more than one cultivar:
Precose de Dalmatie and Nexoe are two examples, both come from Bornholm Island.

In case of Dalmatie and Precose de Dalmatie there is no doubt, they are true different cultivars.
Hope this help with initial question, Vinny...

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From what I know Dalmatie, Precoce de Dalmatie and Bornhom/Nexö are all different varieties.

Dalmatie is a very big green pear shaped fig with deep cutted leaves. It is a slow grower. It's origin is the isle of Hvar in Croatia.

Bornholm/Nexoe and Precoce de Dalmatie are both Brown Turkey type figs but with totally different leave shapes. Bornholm has only 3 lobes, fruit is not as long and smaller than the Precoce de Dalmatie. PdD has long deep cutted leaves similar to the Dalmatie. Both BH and PdD are early ripening.
Bornholm/Nexö are grown on the danish isle of Bornholm for hundreds of years. It's true origin is unknown as the books says sailormen brought it home from their journeys in the mediteranian. (It is not sure that only one variety is grown on Bornholm island)

IMO PdD origin is also the Dalmatian coast in Croatia and not the Isle of Bornholm in Denmark.

As my friend Phil (Peak42) mentioned someone from Sweden wrote that Bornholm and Precoce de Dalmatie are the same, but just like Phil I believe that is not true.
A swedish nursery mixed something up IMO.

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I thought I would add to the confusion.  Last year I purchased a young tree labled "De Damaite".  It has to be a misspelling.  The photo looks just like Dalmatie.  Here is the description from the catalog: "A large green fig with sweet red flesh, it is from Croatia and among the hardiest varieites. The tree lacks vigor in many climates but seems to grow well in the Pacific Northwest. It reportedly sets but drops its breba crop in areas with variable spring temperatures but does set a breba crop in tests at the Mt. Vernon station."

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To avoid all confusion I bought both of them lol. That was easy. I got both from RV Rogers Nursery and they send me an email confirming that they are both different varities .
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The description matches 100% Dalmatie.

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[image] Thanks Feigenbaum!  That puts that question to rest.

I think we create a lot of confusion without intending to when labeling our plants.  Many of the named varieties have European or MIddle Eastern names, and some/many of us aren't familiar with or careful about the subtleties of spelling in foreign languages.  It doesn't seem important at the time, but there are consequences down the road.

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Hey guys! Good topic. Check out a site called "Planet Fig" it has some great descriptions of a few nice cultivars grown in Eupore! Dalmatie among them!
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[image] Thanks Feigenbaum!  That puts that question to rest.

I think we create a lot of confusion without intending to when labeling our plants.  Many of the named varieties have European or MIddle Eastern names, and some/many of us aren't familiar with or careful about the subtleties of spelling in foreign languages.  It doesn't seem important at the time, but there are consequences down the road.

C.J>




Hello,

Thanks you are absolutely right.

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I agree Vinni and C.J. .

But I fully understand the issues in writing and spelling names when it comes to a total different language like German or French. With weird "ö" "ä" etc... ;-)

For example: 
German:

Süßer Georg (Sweet George)  
Bayernfeige Violetta (Bavarian Fig Violetta)
                 
French:

Longue d' Aout (Long of August)

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Hi,
As already written, I'm still to see a "Precoce de Dalmatie" fig tree offered in a nursery here, knowing that this strain is supposed to be cold hardy ... Kind of weird because I'm in a cooler region of France.
So for now for me "Precoce de Dalmatie" is an internet legend or a marketing name for something else.

When I decide to buy a tree, I do it on feelings . If the tree is "beautiful" ( and blinks her eyes to me ) -medium sized, strong and not expensive -, I give it a try.
"Precoce de  Dalmatie" could turn into a good discovery; But for now, just a myth for me .
If you have access to this strain try it, and let us know :) .

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Hi,
As already written, I'm still to see a "Precoce de Dalmatie" fig tree offered in a nursery here, knowing that this strain is supposed to be cold hardy ... Kind of weird because I'm in a cooler region of France.
So for now for me "Precoce de Dalmatie" is an internet legend or a marketing name for something else.

When I decide to buy a tree, I do it on feelings . If the tree is "beautiful" ( and blinks her eyes to me ) -medium sized, strong and not expensive -, I give it a try.
"Precoce de  Dalmatie" could turn into a good discovery; But for now, just a myth for me .
If you have access to this strain try it, and let us know :) .

Ill be receiving one plant named precoce de dalmatie from Denmark in 2017. It is described as related to brown turkey and bornholm figs.
http://www.westergaards.dk/figen/precose%20de%20dalmatie
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The word precoce refers to early ripening in Italy
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Hi all,
Precose de Dalmatie is original name from Denmark
while "Precoce de Dalmatie" is french spelling of the name.
I have this cultivar in ground for few years, no ripen figs yet.

You can read more about it on this page:
http://www.fruitiers-rares.info/articles51a56/article55-The-Bornholm-Fig-Ficus-carica.html

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Sorry to resurrect an old thread.Does anyone have pics of ripe fruit from Precoce/ Precose de Dalmatie?.

I think it is pretty much agreed that Dalmatie and Precoce de Dalmatie are different cultivars BUT I have never seen a ripe fig here. There are a few pics online mainly in promotional shots from nurseries(and we know they might as well show a picture of a Pineapple with the efforts they go to to show varietaly correct fruit and leaves).I am not interested in pics of Dalmatie,that fig is well known and documented here on the forum, just Precoce de Dalmatie.

Vinny,this was your thread and you say you have this fig,it's also one I have and it's leafing out now-did yours ever produce?


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