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Hello everyone,

First I wanted to congratulate the whole community for all the work and information you share on the fig trees, it is a pleasure to read you!

The American community is very active !!!

I live in France and I just acquired a garden, in the stride I discovered the forum with all its varieties.

The praises on the variety "Italian 258" intrigued me, unfortunately after several hours of research it is impossible for me to acquire this variety.

Being a big (and greedy) amateur of figs, I come to you to know if any of you would have the generosity to give me one or two real "Italian 258" cuttings.

I know that I am new to the forum and that I live in France, which can complicate the sending, but of course I would pay the shipping costs.

Thank you and enjoy reading.

zielin
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Hello,

This nursery in France apparently sells I-258 or you can buy from http://www.figaholics.com in January. 
http://www.figuiers.com/plants-de-figuiers.html

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Hi Vinny,

Thank you very much for your reply and the time you spent to find this information.

Indeed I had not seen the sites you mention. I will contact them to see if a shipment is possible.

Cheers,

Zielin
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I take advantage of my topic to ask if anyone knows the french names of these varieties of fig trees, because it seems to me complex :

- "Italian 258"
- "Ponte Tresa"
- Figo Preto"
- Black Madeira"
- "Genovese Nero AF"

Thanks in advance.

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I am also interested in "Figo Preto" and "Genoverse Nero AF" cuttings ;).
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I can't believe I'm reading this
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Greetings, "Zielin", Florianus Martinus or whatever your real and proper name is. Welcome to the forum. Its nice to see that you are thorough in your search for freebie's of "one or two real "Italian 258", "Figo Preto" or "Genoverse Nero AF" cuttings" having now posted essentially the same ask on FFF, Ourfigs and the European Figs interest group on FB. Having the temerity to make your first posts on these pages all about asking for people to generously hand over valuable cuttings of these varieties to you, I don't know why you have decided to short change your ask (you after all self described yourself as "Greedy").... I would suggest that you raise the stakes and request  "LUV", Bordisott Negra Rimada, Oro and a few other interesting varieties as well. It only seems logical to me that if someone is going to ship you free cuttings of these varieties and you pay for shipping, the least you might do is maximize the return on your investment. Best of luck in your acquisition search and I look forward to reading many of your future posts sharing details of your growing successes with these varieties...
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I can't believe I'm reading this


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Hello everyone,

First of all I apologize for my very aproximative English, I try to do my best.

You are right, I presented my query on figs4fun, ourfigs and the facebook group European Figs for the simple and good reason to reach more people.

In addition, originally I am interested in the variety "Italian 258", but in view of the difficulty to have more information on this variety, the varieties "Figo Preto" and "Genoverse Nero AF" seem to me a good alternative.

I do not want to have all three but only at least one of them. Moreover, if a gift seems too demanding, I am ready to pay what the person thinks is the most suitable.

I understand that you are a little reluctant that I have just arrived, but I assure you that my initiative is purely a pleasure and not commercial or whatever.

I am a great lover of the fig tree and its fruits so succulent and unique in the vegetable world.

Concerning the "LMAO", know Vinny2210 that I contacted the two sellers that you indicated to me and I am still grateful ....

Figaholics answered me with great professionalism by stating that the sending of the United States to France had a chance of not reaching its destination and that one had to think carefully. In addition, shipments will not begin until January 2018.

Concerning "figuiers.com", I have not yet answered my question.

Still sorry for the path that the topic takes, I will not ask anything more ...
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Now, I knew that these varieties are the most prized, but I did not know that they were so rare and difficult to obtain.

I put the bar a little too high, considering the small size of my garden I wanted to have the best.

A mistake of beginner and ignorance of the extent of these varieties in the world ...

I'm a little impatient and insistent I admit, for fear of going unnoticed ...

I will wait and be patient ;)

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I'm sorry but my reply was to Brian as I thought his comment was funny. Don't take it too seriously mate.
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Ok I understand better, I admit that I find it very funny after reflection.

My approach is a little WTF, the guy it comes out of nowhere and it already wants the Roll's Royce xD.

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Ok I understand better, I admit that I find it very funny after reflection.

My approach is a little WTF, the guy it comes out of nowhere and it already wants the Roll's Royce xD.



It's all good. Putting things into perspective, best things in life are given as gifts but better things in life are earned. Good too see your understanding and that you took things positive. People like nagging each other but ultimately you'll be surprised by the generosity of the forum members. Just stick around and share your ideas. What surprises me is why you need US varities when you live in Fig heaven!. I'm not sure if you heard about Pierre Baud Nurseries they got over 300 varities , just contact Baud and you'll be fine. Baud sells Black Madeira (Black Madeira = Figo Preto).

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You are right, it is a beautiful lesson of life. The full potential of sharing is achieved when it is mutual.

It is true that France is a mine of fig trees, unfortunately most give only full potential in the south of the country. There are fig trees that are a bit more suited to my northwest region, but they are disappointing in terms of taste.

The main problem with me is the tolerance of the fig tree to moisture, which is why varieties from the mountain seem to me very relevant.

I have already contacted Mr. Baud, with a very pleasant exchange, but he told me that he did not own the "Italian 258", "Figo Preto" or "Genoverse Nero AF".

The complexities of calling and identifying figs are amazing and I confess that it surprised me, but in the good sense of the word ;).

It teaches the humility not to always have the stuff on something, and nature is a very good teacher: D.
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Hello everyone,

First of all I apologize for my very aproximative English, I try to do my best.

You are right, I presented my query on figs4fun, ourfigs and the facebook group European Figs for the simple and good reason to reach more people.

In addition, originally I am interested in the variety "Italian 258", but in view of the difficulty to have more information on this variety, the varieties "Figo Preto" and "Genoverse Nero AF" seem to me a good alternative.

I do not want to have all three but only at least one of them. Moreover, if a gift seems too demanding, I am ready to pay what the person thinks is the most suitable.

I understand that you are a little reluctant that I have just arrived, but I assure you that my initiative is purely a pleasure and not commercial or whatever.

I am a great lover of the fig tree and its fruits so succulent and unique in the vegetable world.

Concerning the "LMAO", know Vinny2210 that I contacted the two sellers that you indicated to me and I am still grateful ....

Figaholics answered me with great professionalism by stating that the sending of the United States to France had a chance of not reaching its destination and that one had to think carefully. In addition, shipments will not begin until January 2018.

Concerning "figuiers.com", I have not yet answered my question.

Still sorry for the path that the topic takes, I will not ask anything more ...


You think it's perfectly fine asking for free cuttings? You have a bloody nerve. Go away.

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Hi Kelo,

Forgive me for believing in the goodness of people....


Again, I understand that my request is a bit "abused", but the hype around these varieties contaminated me :D.

On the other hand you have not read my answers well, here is an excerpt : "Moreover, if a gift seems too demanding, I am ready to pay what the person thinks is the most suitable."
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I need no emamples. You are banned from other fig groups due to your attitude and greed.
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I don't think anyone located in the U.S. can legally export cuttings anyway. 
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Thanks to those who responded respectfully;).

Thanks panfishman for the link to the ad, that seems to have been withdrawn since.

MyDogMike you are right the exchanges between USa and Europe on plant things seem very controlled.

Kelo, who seems to have poured out his hatred through his keyboard, a fine proof of intelligence and clairvoyance. You're right I just realized that I was banned from the facebook group, but know that I did not disrespect anyone and that I'm not greedy.
I think most of all the moderators took me for a false or tradesman. And to argue I have only my words.

No worries I will stay at home in France, it is true that we have a beautiful representation of fig trees, I will deepen my research.

Also in France people are very nice and welcoming, like most of the forum community, as evidence the majority positive answers;).
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Greetings, "Zielin", Florianus Martinus or whatever your real and proper name is. Welcome to the forum. Its nice to see that you are thorough in your search for freebie's of "one or two real "Italian 258", "Figo Preto" or "Genoverse Nero AF" cuttings" having now posted essentially the same ask on FFF, Ourfigs and the European Figs interest group on FB. Having the temerity to make your first posts on these pages all about asking for people to generously hand over valuable cuttings of these varieties to you, I don't know why you have decided to short change your ask (you after all self described yourself as "Greedy").... I would suggest that you raise the stakes and request  "LUV", Bordisott Negra Rimada, Oro and a few other interesting varieties as well. It only seems logical to me that if someone is going to ship you free cuttings of these varieties and you pay for shipping, the least you might do is maximize the return on your investment. Best of luck in your acquisition search and I look forward to reading many of your future posts sharing details of your growing successes with these varieties...


Stop mocking/shaming/embarrassing the user. If you don't want to give this person a free cutting ignore him/her. He doesn't have to offer anything to this board today, tomorrow, or in the future. If nobody offers him a cutting and really wants one - He will realize on his own he needs to pay $$$. Believe me someone might just give him a FREE cutting Why? One reason - Just because of the way you mocked the user.
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I can make this short and sweet:  Current EU regs prevent any shipment of fig cuttings from the US. Legal shipment requires that you have an import permit, and after you have the permit, it must be submitted to the USDA or their representative and a Phytosanitary certificate issued by the USDA to accompany the shipment. Current EU requirements for such shipments cannot be met by growers or nurseries in the US. There are 8000 nurseries in San Diego County, and the only one able to comply with the requirements ships only Poinsettias.


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I don't think anyone located in the U.S. can legally export cuttings anyway. 


That is not correct.  I just need a copy of the buyer's import permit and payment for a phytosanitary certificate.  The only complications is that the regulations of some countries state that a certification for the absence of Xylella is required while my ag inspector says international agreement says it is not.  However, I did have a certified lab test 108 specimens in my orchard (all came back negative) and one country recently did say that would be satisfactory.

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I think the whiplash against this guy was a little harsh and quick. If you look back at my first post (please don't) you'll see that I was asking for free cuttings. I did not know any better. I had just found the forum and asked before doing any research. If you give this guy the benefit of the doubt, which I most often do, he did his research about the varieties he wanted, but not the etiquette of how to ask. Try to look at both sides of the coin and be a little nicer to the newbies. That's how we grow. Happy Figging
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That is not correct.  I just need a copy of the buyer's import permit and payment for a phytosanitary certificate.  The only complications is that the regulations of some countries state that a certification for the absence of Xylella is required while my ag inspector says international agreement says it is not.  However, I did have a certified lab test 108 specimens in my orchard (all came back negative) and one country recently did say that would be satisfactory.


That's good to know. I knew at the very least there was some paperwork involved.  I guess I should have said one cannot just ship out cuttings willy nilly to whatever county they wish.  Thanks for correcting my statement.
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I think the whiplash against this guy was a little harsh and quick. If you look back at my first post (please don't) you'll see that I was asking for free cuttings. I did not know any better. I had just found the forum and asked before doing any research. If you give this guy the benefit of the doubt, which I most often do, he did his research about the varieties he wanted, but not the etiquette of how to ask. Try to look at both sides of the coin and be a little nicer to the newbies. That's how we grow. Happy Figging


Clear analysis of the situation Aaron.
Sometimes we realise the error after it starts shaking.
It happens, nobody is perfect.


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Hi tradesite, pitangadiego, HarveyC, ADelmanto and Porfirio,

Thank you for your feedback and feedback. It changes private messages filled with insults that I received. I will not say the name of the member concerned because I do not want to get into his childish game.

It is true that my claim was a mistake, but I assure you that this one is sincere.

Before coming on the foum I learned a lot about the varieties available. Unfortunately, many testimonies from people living in my region have said that they do not have regular fruiting with varieties such as "Pastilière", "Ronde de Bordeaux" or "Dalmatie", which are nevertheless considered to be tolerant to cold.

I have just seen that a variety called "Perretta", which was developed in Switzerland, was created to withstand very difficult conditions while fruiting.

Has anyone had experience with this variety? Are the fruits ons and sweet?

Thank you in advance for your feedback.
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Bonjour Zielin,

There is quite a bit of information on "Parretta" or "Paretta" on this forum; here is the link for my Paretta search on this F4F forum. Even a short video.

https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/search?keywords=Peretta&searchin=message&member=&do=findposts&replies=atleast&numreplies=0&daterange=0&custdatefrom=&custdateto=&sort=&order=desc&radio_showas=threads&btnSearch=Search&action=doSearch

Bonne chance/Good luck in your search for this or other varieties.
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I usually don't intrude in the affairs of other people, but i'd like to put my 2 cents in this thread.

Ok, maybe it's not very good to present yourself asking for free stuff, perhaps it would have been better to ask "how to get ...", but I am amazed with so much hostility, we all make mistakes, nobody is perfect.

You have spent a lot of money (and time) for a certain variety?
This gives no value to that variety, the value of a plant does not match its price.

The availability of a variety ruins your business? Invest in something else.

I built my collection mostly with trades, i received what i asked, and i gave what i was asked.
My varieties were much or less rare or good compared to others? Who knows, but, above all, who cares?

I was told: "This variety is too rare to be traded", so you just assume that what i offer have less value than what you offer?
On what are these statements based on?

Growing plants is expensive, but
don't always think about money, please.
Enjoy your figs, don't be moneygrabbers, and if you don't want to give cuttings, make trades or sell at a price you think too low, simply ignore those who try to get easily those varieties.

I'm not wealty (let's say i'm pretty poor) and i think anyone should have the chance to follow their dreams.

Don't let people think fig collectors are crazy.
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Hi LaFigue,

Thank you for taking your time to offer me this search link, there are some very interesting things.

Hi Fico,

It is true that nothing is worth the experience of doing and living. This is how we discover incredible things, including preferences for a particular variety on the sole basis of our feelings.

To answer your question I invested a little time in my research, notably on the botanical and physiological aspect of the fig trees, which is a very interesting tree!

On the other hand I would not put huge financial sums for a fig tree for the simple reason that I do not have the financial means and the sufficient skills in cuttings.

For me it's a passion not an obsession, which prompted me to make my request on the forum is not greed but curiosity, a little awkward it is true. I have room to have a single variety, which is why I would like to make the best choice.

But that's enough to say no and I understand. Since the time I posted on this forum and on ourfigs I have made good progress;).

In truth all the varieties of fig trees are interesting, it is up to us to choose among them according to our needs and situations.
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I'm with you, Zielin.

I have had many trades in France, and i suggest to check La bourse aux greffons, where you can find many french people who can help you.

If i can't afford a variety it's not a big problem for me, i grow many other fruits and at this moment i think i reached the maximum for figs.
I don't have a Black Madeira? No problem!
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Thanks Fico for your advice, I appreciate your philosophy.

You are right, La bourse aux greffons seems to be a place of passionate people.

Oh yes, my objective would be to have several varieties of fruit trees, I think especially fig tree, plum, peach, persimmon and grape at first.
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Greetings, "Zielin", Florianus Martinus or whatever your real and proper name is. Welcome to the forum. Its nice to see that you are thorough in your search for freebie's of "one or two real "Italian 258", "Figo Preto" or "Genoverse Nero AF" cuttings" having now posted essentially the same ask on FFF, Ourfigs and the European Figs interest group on FB. Having the temerity to make your first posts on these pages all about asking for people to generously hand over valuable cuttings of these varieties to you, I don't know why you have decided to short change your ask (you after all self described yourself as "Greedy").... I would suggest that you raise the stakes and request  "LUV", Bordisott Negra Rimada, Oro and a few other interesting varieties as well. It only seems logical to me that if someone is going to ship you free cuttings of these varieties and you pay for shipping, the least you might do is maximize the return on your investment. Best of luck in your acquisition search and I look forward to reading many of your future posts sharing details of your growing successes with these varieties...


At least some of us can approach this with a sense of humor.

Honestly, Zelin, you will have better success if you look for hardy chicago / MBVS. Those would fit your needs and keep your belly full of figs. I personally would look for a reasonably priced mount Etna type fig in Europe.

Have you scouted out your town, city, or province for tasty figs yet? How much land do you have to cultivate?

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Hi LaFigue,

Thank you for taking your time to offer me this search link, there are some very interesting things.

Hi Fico,

It is true that nothing is worth the experience of doing and living. This is how we discover incredible things, including preferences for a particular variety on the sole basis of our feelings.

To answer your question I invested a little time in my research, notably on the botanical and physiological aspect of the fig trees, which is a very interesting tree!

On the other hand I would not put huge financial sums for a fig tree for the simple reason that I do not have the financial means and the sufficient skills in cuttings.

For me it's a passion not an obsession, which prompted me to make my request on the forum is not greed but curiosity, a little awkward it is true. I have room to have a single variety, which is why I would like to make the best choice.

But that's enough to say no and I understand. Since the time I posted on this forum and on ourfigs I have made good progress;).

In truth all the varieties of fig trees are interesting, it is up to us to choose among them according to our needs and situations.


While my take on this is slightly different, I agree there is no need for outright insults.

People who ask for "chairity" can be ignored if you do not wish, or are not able to give. If you feel the request was "cheeky" then at least a good natured rebuke like fygmalion did will lighten the mood and get the point accross.

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Hi Lewi,

Of course when things are said with civility or with a respectful humor it makes things progress. Disrespect essentially comes from a meager minority.

To answer your question I cultivate a plot of 100m ² about.

I know well the fig trees of my sector, they are almost essentially "Brown Turkey", because of their tolerance to the cold I suppose.

They are relatively good and productivity is good, but I am very far from recovering the taste of figs that I could taste in Portugal for example (hhmm this honey!).

I know that sunshine and heat play a big part in this outcome, but I think choosing an appropriate variety seems relevant to me.

You are right, Hardy Chicago and Mount Etna are good candidates;).
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