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Hello everyone. My last ditch effort here. Anyone know how to reach the people at figcuttings.com? I ordered over three hundred dollars worth of fig cuttings last fall for spring time delivery and never received the cuttings or a notice/return of funds. I have been trying since April to get them to respond. If you know of a sure fire way to reach them it would be appreciated. I'm trying my best to be a good customer and work something out, but damn......

Darlene
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Darlene,

This question has received a LOT of attention.... James has gone quiet and has not responded to anyone nor has he been issuing recent refunds as far as the discussion threads have indicated. Your best bet is to decide if you want to wait until and if you eventually hear back or seek a refund through either pay pal or your credit card company. There have been other aspects to the discussion threads which I don't want to get into; please feel free to look them up and action according to your needs. Best of luck whichever path you choose to take. $300 is not an insignificant sum....
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That is a scam. You have to file a complaint with your local police department
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SCAM!
I know I'm being redundant, but I need to keep reminding MYSELF of this shady operation. 
ALWAYS be suspicious when a seller offers prime cuttings (or plants) for a super low, can't resist price then tells
you you'll have to wait several months for delivery. If you've waited 6-months he's got your money so you're out of luck.
Your cuttings have been sold MANY times over (if he even had them at all)!!
So, next time send your hard-earned cash only when the order is ready to cut and ship.  

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Hello everyone. My last ditch effort here. Anyone know how to reach the people at figcuttings.com? I ordered over three hundred dollars worth of fig cuttings last fall for spring time delivery and never received the cuttings or a notice/return of funds. I have been trying since April to get them to respond. If you know of a sure fire way to reach them it would be appreciated. I'm trying my best to be a good customer and work something out, but damn......

Darlene


Darlene,

Unfortunately, you are one of many who have been defrauded by James Sperman, the operator of this scam.

I suggest that you take the following steps:

1.  Contact Paypal and request your money back.  If they give you push back, cite how they are aiding a known scam.  IF they still do not cooperate, then please contact your credit card company and they will hopefully assist you.

2.  Contact the proper authorities:

The Kansas Attorney General's office has requested that those of us affected should file complaints so they can know how big and far reaching this scam is. 

Here is James's information.  You'll need this in the reporting process:

GreenFin Gardens/Kansas Tilapia
James Sperman
3935 Flush Road
St. George, KS 66535-9614
Tel: (785) 313-0965

Here are the links to the proper authorities:

Kansas AG - 
http://ag.ks.gov/file-a-complaint/consumer

FBI - https://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx




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Darlene, So sorry to hear you are in the same boat I was. I followed all suggestions for how to contact Greefin and how to request a refund and never heard anything back. As it turns out, this seemingly reputable business has duped everyone who has placed an order in over a year. At some point in the past he was actually shipping material, but stopped. He then stopped replying to e-mails, or refunding any money. I have heard of people who placed orders in 2015 and never received anything. Same with 2016, which is when I placed my order.

Yet the website is still up and they are still taking orders and peoples money. They will continue to do that until enough people complain about paying for goods and never receiving them. 

Start with filing a complaint with Pay Pal (if that is how you paid). They will deny you claim since it is past the time limit, but it will at least be a record of your complaint. Then contact your credit card company, they will have a similar time limit, but explain that the delivery time was supposed to be spring, which has recently passed. They will/should start a claim contacting Greenfin, they will get no answer, so you money should be refunded. That is how it worked for me.

Others will suggest you contact the attorney general and file a complaint. What Greenfin did to you was a crime, do doubt about it. Do what you feel is right.

I wish you luck!


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Hello Darlene , I also put in quite  a large order . If you log into paypal you can challenge the payment. That is what i did and within 15-20 days had my money back in my acct. If you paid via credit card i would go both routes to make sure you don't get hung up with some of paypals case restrictions due to time .   

Good Luck ! 

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Who orders over 300 dollars of fig cuttings? 
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Im sure a lot of people have.
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Who pays $250 for a fig tree ?
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Contact the local attorney generals office, I was scammed while ordering something from the internet, not fig trees, after several attempts at recouping my money a friend suggested the attorney generals office....voila!! refund in full AND the item I was scammed on. 
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So what is the latest opinion on this endeavor. Still a scam, or a person took on more then he can handle and is still trying to fill his orders?
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I don't think it matters at this point.  I have yet to see a post from ANYONE who ordered from him saying they actually got what they paid for.
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Hi I got an email from him on 17August 2017 even though i didnt order any of his trees stating that orders are expected to start shipping on 1st November this year ????????? & if you have requested a refund contact him using his email greenfingardens@gmail.com 
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This is a scam created by James Sperman. Lots of folks around the country and world got their money taken by him. I don't know why Paypal unethically still let peoples order and pay through them. I am sure they had lots of complaints.

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This is a scam created by James Sperman. Lots of folks around the country and world got their money taken by him. I don't know why Paypal unethically still let peoples order and pay through them. I am sure they had lots of complaints.

Tony

This is NOT a scam.  Not even close.    

I took on an utterly enormous task for the good of the fig community, and I have been incredibly committed to that task.  I have put around 7,000 hours of unpaid labor into this project, and have lost a mountain of money due to escalating costs and lost opportunity (I can't work off site or take consulting work when I'm working 100 hours/week every week growing your trees for you).  I have never quit, despite the setbacks and despite the over-the-top personal attacks in public and behind the scenes.  And soon I'll come thundering across the finish line, much to the chagrin of those haters.

I'm guilty of not getting thousands of trees grown by my estimated dates (which was totally understandable given the setbacks that occurred and were documented), and I'm also guilty of not being able to keep up with runaway emails/pm's/phone calls (because it's impossible to put in 100 hours of customer service requests each week when I'm already putting in 100 hours each week doing the actual hands-on farm work needed to grow your trees for you).  That's it.  At no point have my intent or actions ever deviated from doing my best to do right by everyone.  Unfortunately, this situation was a ripe opportunity for trolls to twist/misrepresent/lie about everything and to create wildly false narratives that then fed off of each other on unmoderated and hostile forums.  Almost everything I see written about me in those narratives is false, much of it absurdly so.  But many people fall for the nonsense, since they don't know the truth and can't understand why I don't come online and defend myself more often (the truth is that I've been way too busy doing the actual work, but people keep disregarding that hard fact).

There are hundreds of people who are still totally on-board with what I'm doing and are grateful for my efforts (telling me I'm doing something wonderful and heroic).  These same folks are disgusted with the trolls and disreputable competitors who have been smearing me throughout this project.

There are more people on my side than against me, but you can't tell that from reading forums dominated by trolls, because the good folks get disgusted with the trolling/smearing/hating and simply stay away from the forum.  The trolls don't just attack me, they attack everyone who believes in me and who wants the project to succeed; hence, when the good folks get sick of it and leave the forum, we're predominantly left with an echo-chamber of trolls who twist/manipulate everything and create nonsensical false narratives.  And then when noobs stumble upon the conversation they are misled into thinking that the echo-chamber of haters is indicative of the greater fig community at-large, which it isn't.  They're also tricked into thinking that the false caricature of me actually reflects me, which it doesn't.  If all the negative garbage being told about me were true, I would certainly agree that I'd be a very bad person.  But the fact of the matter is that the attacks are a bunch of vindictive nonsense, and I'm totally committed to doing right by everyone.

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I don't think it matters at this point.  I have yet to see a post from ANYONE who ordered from him saying they actually got what they paid for.

You mean other than the hundreds of people who got what they paid for from my previous sales before you joined the forum?

I had 2 successful sales with 100% satisfaction before the mega-tree sale.

It is also overwhelmingly obvious that I have been working on the current mega-tree project in good faith and that it is nearing completion.

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So what is the latest opinion on this endeavor. Still a scam, or a person took on more then he can handle and is still trying to fill his orders?

It was never a scam.

The latter option is true, but I'd like to emphasize that the project wasn't necessarily more than I could handle when I proposed it, but rather ended up taking a lot longer than planned because of a series of major setbacks.  If you knew the whole story, you'd see that this is a remarkable story about overcoming unexpected major setbacks time and again, sometimes through cleverness and sometimes through sheer willpower, never wavering from my commitment.  It's a story about refusing to quit, about refusing to cave to established powers regardless of the dirty tactics they use, and about never losing sight in my mind's eye of the many fellow collectors out there who were depending on me.

There are many on these forums who look down on me and disparage me.  As for me?  I am proud of this project and of my own efforts and commitment.  Could I have done better?  Of course!  But I'm still absolutely proud to have created such a great and well-meaning project, and I'm proud of myself for fighting through everything along the way to make it a reality.  This project will be completed soon, and the fig community will be better forever because of it. 

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James,

Some of our members on growingfruit.org ordered figs from you and they tried so hard to get in touch with you about their orders but no email in return. If you can't handle the volume of orders then let your customers aware of the situation that you are in on your website. That is what customer service is all about when you are in the nursery sale business. Peoples have the right to be angry when they expect their fig trees to come at the promised date but now some orders are back up to a year now. Here are some of the members trying to get in touch with you about there orders. 

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Hello,

Anyone has any dealings with this place? I bought some cuttings last fall and was told the cuttings will be shipped out in February. It is now March I have emailed them but received no response. thanks!


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There is considerable drama around this on the dedicated fig forums that you can kill a few hours reading. To keep it simple, no one has gotten cuttings and there is concern he won't be able to fill some or all of the orders. Apparently some plants may be shipping soon, but as of yet no one has received anything that was supposed to be shipped in spring 2016. Good luck, reportedly he has been quick to give refunds if asked for.


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@ampersand thx for your response. Wow, spring of 2016. That is terrible.

I will give till end of March for my cuttings. If not I would be wanting my refund and if he does not I will be reporting him to PayPal. I don't know how someone can have a business like this.


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I placed an order for delivery this spring. Not yet seen anything, but I was under the impression shipping would commence before the end of March. Honestly I haven't been concerned at all (though to be honest I don't remember all of the varieties I chose, but I could look it up)

I will say the pictures on his site look great. I've actually got a list of more plants and cuttings I would like to order, but I'm waiting until the last order arrives before placing another.

Scott


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Scott,

I never got a response from Figcuttings.com. I called Paypal just now and was told PP protection only covers 6mths so I am out of luck! They offered to refund me last year but has not made any offer this time when I asked. I wonder if they know about this PPP and using it to scam buyers.

Basically if any of you paid using PP and transaction is out of the 6mths protection, you cannot open a dispute/claim with PP but you can still call them to complain and insist they investigate this vendor. If anyone buys from this vendor, please be aware that PP only offers you 6mths protection.


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RF,
Sorry to hear about your orders and many buyers around the country. I hoped this gentleman steps up and do the right things by returning all the money to the buyers.

Tony


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Tony, I hope so too. I am pretty sure some people have spent quite a bit for their trees. I think I have been very fair to give him time to respond but have thus far been ignored.

I am not being nasty but how difficult can it be to ship cuttings out esp when he has taken money in advance. I now wished I had accepted the refund when it was offered last year! My PPP has expired and I am wondering if he knows this and is the reason why he has ignored my email asking for refund this time around.

Until he respond to me I will assume that they have no integrity and suggest anyone who paid using PP to call PP to call PP. It is the only way so that PP can investigate him. Basically if you have paid him and your order is past 6mths old, you cannot start a dispute/claim through PP, so if he does not send out your order, you are stuffed.

If he response to my email I will let everyone.

Some of the comments other have made, I agree 100% if he can fulfill then stop taking orders and certainly stop taking payment and issue refund when it is asked!

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Same here ordered some rooted plants last September and it would be nice to hear from them and given an other option of plant which would free them up some from the slower growing trees and help fill their orders faster and all this negative response is going to cost their company in the long run. They send me a e-mail response when I asked a question about new purchase of a tree but never returned any e-mails when I questioned my previous order shipping. I don't really mind the wait just the disrespect not returning people e-mails, I guess I'll be optimistic with you (not foolish though).

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VSOP your comments didn't not come across as trying to excuse him. I hate to say this but he brought it onto himself. No one cause his problems but him and only he alone can sort it out but he does not seems to want to. Why can't he put aside some time every evening to answer emails?

My purchase is small $50 but still I paid for the cuttings in good faith and expects to receive my order. It is the principle of it. I paid for an order and I expect to receive my order, nothing more nothing less and also expects to get a response.

I don't have many varieties myself but thought I purchase some. Just my luck to stumble upon his site!

I paid half from my bank account and half with PP cash that i have. PP said I can try to get the amount I paid for from my bank. They said they cant help but would send a courtesy email to him to ask for my refund. I just want to let everyone know that if they used PP and want their money back PPP is only valid for 6mths.

I am not trying to trash him, just stating facts and if he refunds my money, it is what I would post to let everyone know. I do not use PP anymore since there is very little buyer protection from them.

Thanks very much for your generous offer. If anyone wants any fruits scions I can oblige...I have Seckel, 20th Century asian, Cot N Candy, Bubblegum plum some other apricots (lost labels) Nadia. Majority are in containers as garden lack full sun. 15 different apples all in containers but I do not get much fruits due to lack of sun. I maybe getting a few 20th Century pears this yr (it appears that they are partial self pollinating :slight_smile: Sunglo nectarines... I may get a bumper crop of 2 fruits of Asian pears and nectarines :slight_smile:

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hahaha brilliant reply from James! this guy is funny! funny for me because i didn't buy but sad for everyone else! 

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You mean other than the hundreds of people who got what they paid for from my previous sales before you joined the forum?

I had 2 successful sales with 100% satisfaction before the mega-tree sale.

It is also overwhelmingly obvious that I have been working on the current mega-tree project in good faith and that it is nearing completion.


Okay, I get it.  I wasn't really referring to THAT sale, but I see the point you are making.  I never posted in any other thread about your current sale, but all I said about it was that I haven't heard of anyone receiving any trees.  Which is true.  I hope you are successful and the people that have been good enough to hang on this long get what they ordered.  Best of luck to you.
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James, I just pass on your post to the members on growingfruit.org. They will be sending you emails and want their money back.

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It is also overwhelmingly obvious that I have been working on the current mega-tree project in good faith and that it is nearing completion.


The problem with this statement is that it is simply not the case. It is not overwhelmingly obvious at all. No one has gotten their orders. Not even a few cuttings which would take minutes of your time and cost very little to ship but would go such a long way toward proving your intentions are good. I'm sure you're working very hard on your trees but I see nothing indicating you're working on MY trees or the trees and cuttings of anyone who ordered. I see trees in your pics and videos but there isn't a shred of proof that any of them are going to us when ready. They've been ready for quite some time but you didn't send them out. I'm not a troll. I'm an angry customer.

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This is NOT a scam.  Not even close.    



I do a fair amount of studying human behavior at my job.

This post by GreenFin is dripping with every sign of a manipulating psychopath.  HE is the victim and YOU are the horrible individual for attaching him when he stole from you.  Personally, I wouldn't trust him in the least bit.

I can almost guarantee you he will now ship a small amount of orders.  Probably throw in a few extras so those buyers will rave about his service.  Then he has his proof, from a tiny fraction of his customers, that he isn't a fraud.  Of course, he then has another huge sale to bring in new orders based on his now golden reputation.  That's, basically, exactly what Bernie Madoff did and is a classic sign of manipulations.
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I see an email went out today offering cuttings for delivery this year. What about people who ordered cuttings for 2016/2017 and never received them? I suspect there will be more stalling for 6 months until PayPal protection is over and keep the money, like always.

How many hundreds of thousands of dollars did you net, James? Your hoophouses and supplies didn't cost much, so where's the money?
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I see an email went out today offering cuttings for delivery this year. What about people who ordered cuttings for 2016/2017 and never received them? I suspect there will be more stalling for 6 months until PayPal protection is over and keep the money, like always. How many hundreds of thousands of dollars did you net, James? Your hoophouses and supplies didn't cost much, so where's the money?


Yea, I love it.  Order 2017 cuttings and they ship in 24-48 hours.  Lolz.

Just watch.  A handful of 2016 customers will get orders soon and James will crow about how that "proves" he isn't a fraud.
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Hey By the way Green Fin, I never received my order the year of the $7 Dollar tree orders.
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Sure, expect a few crumbs to be thrown your way, guys. Don't celebrate too soon!
I've watched GreenFin go from a 110% rating (when he was grooming everyone) abruptly down to zero.
I'd like to see him return the money to ALL victims of this massive scam.
Otherwise, trust when buying on F4F may never return to the pre-James era.

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All I know is I still don't have my fig cuttings (around $300 worth, which are quite a few cuttings) from my order from Fall 2016. However, they were not to be shipped until spring of 2017.It isn't the money so much as it played havoc with my farm plans. I had really looked forward to having those. Even if he does send them now, it's the wrong time of the year and chances are they won't root. A person still cannot reach him. His email is a 'do not reply + feed proxy". I get that he doesn't have time to reply to every email. However a person only has to write ONE email and mass send it to everyone to keep them abreast. If I get my cuttings it will be pleasant surprise...and a difficult job to make them work...sigh.


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Unfortunately, this situation was a ripe opportunity for trolls to twist/misrepresent/lie about everything and to create wildly false narratives that then fed off of each other on unmoderated and hostile forums.  Almost everything I see written about me in those narratives is false, much of it absurdly so.  But many people fall for the nonsense, since they don't know the truth and can't understand why I don't come online and defend myself more often (the truth is that I've been way too busy doing the actual work, but people keep disregarding that hard fact).



It is a bit insulting to be lumped into one of two categories - - either a part of a smear campaign or a sucker who believed it. I for one have been fairly open minded and even defended the project from accusations that couldn't be proven. But I also recognized warning signs of a potentially failed business, and said so. And, I am a "customer" if you can call paying for a product 2 years ago with nothing to show for it being a customer.

I am waiting for my refund. I will live if I don't get it. I am told November is when that will come... We shall see.

There have been several times in the history of this project where we heard things were almost ready, about to ship, etc., only to hear about some delays and then months of silence. Hopefully those days are over, but I am not optimistic given how many times the pattern has repeated.

Good luck.

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It was never a scam.

The latter option is true, but I'd like to emphasize that the project wasn't necessarily more than I could handle when I proposed it, but rather ended up taking a lot longer than planned because of a series of major setbacks.  If you knew the whole story, you'd see that this is a remarkable story about overcoming unexpected major setbacks time and again, sometimes through cleverness and sometimes through sheer willpower, never wavering from my commitment.  It's a story about refusing to quit, about refusing to cave to established powers regardless of the dirty tactics they use, and about never losing sight in my mind's eye of the many fellow collectors out there who were depending on me.

There are many on these forums who look down on me and disparage me.  As for me?  I am proud of this project and of my own efforts and commitment.  Could I have done better?  Of course!  But I'm still absolutely proud to have created such a great and well-meaning project, and I'm proud of myself for fighting through everything along the way to make it a reality.  This project will be completed soon, and the fig community will be better forever because of it. 


so, how is it that I never heard from James.
Dear James
i'll take my trees now.
And , don't ask me to send you the copy of my PayPal order please, I have done it twice arleady.
Sincerely.
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For the record, I am still on the side of optimism. I always felt this was a grassroots cheap way to get some unique varieties. Prepaying in exchange for not having to deal with bare roots, or insane eBay prices felt was a mutually beneficial setup. I feel some people on here, had dreams of starting a FIG empire using James as a source of their financial endeavor. Why else would anyone order so many trees?? I feel these people are not the target audience that James was aiming for, and may have stress the system to the verge of collapse. It seems like, a system has been established and future offerings should go smoother.

In the end if I get my trees, I'll be okay having been the test dummies in helping James get his system down. 


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For the record, I am still on the side of optimism. I always felt this was a grassroots cheap way to get some unique varieties. Prepaying in exchange for not having to deal with bare roots, or insane eBay prices felt was a mutually beneficial setup. I feel some people on here, had dreams of starting a FIG empire using James as a source of their financial endeavor. Why else would anyone order so many trees?? I feel these people are not the target audience that James was aiming for, and may have stress the system to the verge of collapse. It seems like, a system has been established and future offerings should go smoother.

In the end if I get my trees, I'll be okay having been the test dummies in helping James get his system down. 




So you are Ok with him selling 3 gallon trees, and if you want 10 or more just "make multiple orders"? (Its on his website as of right now!)

Why blame those who ordered? Because some lady in Thailand wanted to start a fig orchard -business, and trusted James, so now the customer is to blame? Blaming the victim is EVIL. Pure evil.

James W Sperman, Figcuttings.com , Webaisles , etc. Had the capacity to close the ordering season at any time but decided to take the money instead...

The burden is on the seller to deliver, not on the purchaser to beg forgiveness for ordering.


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"The burden is on the seller to deliver, not on the purchaser to beg forgiveness for ordering."

This is brilliant and to my mind's eye the best definition of customer centric-service that I could imagine. I wish every person running a business would keep that sentence framed and by their desks to remind them of this simple truth.

Kudo's Lewi for highlighting the essence of how every business relationship should be managed...

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James, I'm not a competitor or a troll. I'm just an angry customer. This is based off my own experience.

1. I still haven't received my two orders from 2015.
2. You missed multiple deliverables despite you keep saying that the orders are ready to go out.
3. You don't respond to emails, PMs, calls.
4. You did not keep your customers updated as promised.
5. Not a single person received their order(s). I'm sure if anyone did, they would have posted something. 
6. You're selling more trees and taking more orders, but you have yet to send out any previous orders that were already paid for and past deliverable deadline.



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For the record, I am still on the side of optimism. I always felt this was a grassroots cheap way to get some unique varieties. Prepaying in exchange for not having to deal with bare roots, or insane eBay prices felt was a mutually beneficial setup. I feel some people on here, had dreams of starting a FIG empire using James as a source of their financial endeavor. Why else would anyone order so many trees?? I feel these people are not the target audience that James was aiming for, and may have stress the system to the verge of collapse. It seems like, a system has been established and future offerings should go smoother.

In the end if I get my trees, I'll be okay having been the test dummies in helping James get his system down. 




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I feel some people on here, had dreams of starting a FIG empire using James as a source of their financial endeavor.


One person did that we know of.  I buy figs to grow and eat them.  That's it.  We were not told that we can have our figs in 6 months with the caveat that if someone wanted to start a fig empire we would all have to wait for James to scale his operation accordingly to meet that demand.

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For the record, I am still on the side of optimism. I always felt this was a grassroots cheap way to get some unique varieties. Prepaying in exchange for not having to deal with bare roots, or insane eBay prices felt was a mutually beneficial setup. I feel some people on here, had dreams of starting a FIG empire using James as a source of their financial endeavor. Why else would anyone order so many trees?? I feel these people are not the target audience that James was aiming for, and may have stress the system to the verge of collapse. It seems like, a system has been established and future offerings should go smoother.

In the end if I get my trees, I'll be okay having been the test dummies in helping James get his system down. 



I can't believe I'm reading this... You need to not think about yourself and think about the others who have lost thousands of dollars.

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  Blaming the victim is EVIL. Pure evil. 


Nobody is blaming the victim. Calling someone pure evil for expressing their opinion is not in the best interest of this forum or the fig community.

Lots of people have said things on this and similar threads they might regret after some reflection. And it's not those like BigO, JMHO.

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James is blaming the victims, the people who dare complain about his failure to honor orders.
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James is blaming the victims, the people who dare complain about his failure to honor orders.


That I can agree with. Thank you for pointing that out in a non inflammatory manner.

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Update on James Sperman. One of our members on growingfruit called St George Police department in Kansas and complained of the scam. They said they will investigate and shut him down if who ever got scammed then call St George Police Dept at 785-457-3353. Please do call so he will not hurt more people.

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What's wrong with you people James Sperman did this sale for the good of the fig community. He did not benefit from the free use of your money. 
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What's wrong with you people James Sperman did this sale for the good of the fig community. He did not benefit from the free use of your money. 
 I don't know whether to laugh or cry!

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So....tell me again what part of the sale was good for the community?
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I don't know but I read it somewhere.

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What's wrong with you people James Sperman did this sale for the good of the fig community. He did not benefit from the free use of your money. 


 

How can you say he has not benefited? He's growing his operation at the cost of his customers, his updates of his progress on his web site with the new greenhouse tunnels prove this, he can’t buy the material without money?  He put his goals and his projects above anyone else to finance his operation for future profit and profit is what he is looking for, if he’s made any money at this point or not is not his clients issue, every business owner has startup cost but most don’t finance it by taking orders they can’t fill on time or they don’t have, they go to a bank and get a loan - grow the trees - sale the trees - ship the trees - everyone happy (future clients). 

When his paying customers asked about their orders he ignored them giving people just cause to think this is a scam and he is the only one that can change that? When you don't know someone you only have your personal experience with them, I myself and most “noobs” as he says have no Idea who James is or what his project is or what setbacks he’s had or what is being said in these forums?  When I want a tree I just go on-line and find the trees I want and buy them expecting professionalism.   I already planted other figs in the spots where I was going to plant his trees since he never gave me an update if I was going to get these trees or not, so If I do get the trees I don’t have anywhere to plant them now (that was my project). If he would have shown some common respect with a personal e-mail on the progress I would not have mind the wait, and this letter and these threads would not exist, especially when we see him still selling trees and saying they are ready for shipping even though others haven’t received orders from years ago (even 1 person matters). 

It’s not like he’s giving trees away for free either, he’s selling them at an average price, I paid between $9 to $15 for his small rooted tree (bought 5) and $25 shipping so he should be able to make a profit off of my money, I would think it would take 6 months to root a fig for shipping the size I was expecting? Wright now he is selling 3 gallon trees for $30 which are probably the rooted fig trees he never sent me 1.5 years ago, and for $30 he has a very good profit.  And $4 for 1 cutting is a pretty good profit as well.

He said “I'm guilty of not getting thousands of trees grown by my estimated dates” and “and I'm also guilty of not being able to keep up with runaway emails/pm's/phone calls”   So why not slow down and take care of the orders and clients he had and do consulting work as well? Why take on new orders with all the major setbacks?  This is why he’s working over 100 hr a week and having unwanted problems (that’s what it takes to build a business).  Never skip over paying clients and forget them, my grandfather would have whooped my butt.   I also don’t know what he means about “I took on an utterly enormous task for the good of the fig community” His web-site is setup has a business not a charity?  I understand he might have some friends on the forums but he is acting as an independent business owner and needs to act like it when he takes money from hard working people with projects of their own.

He also said “If all the negative garbage being told about me were true, I would certainly agree that I'd be a very bad person.  But the fact of the matter is that the attacks are a bunch of vindictive nonsense, and I'm totally committed to doing right by everyone.”

This comment is why after over a year of reading these threads I have finally decided to give my 2 cents worth, I haven’t read any comments from anybody above this comment which I believe to be made up lies about him, this comment is an attack at his costumers and the fig community which he says he is trying to do good for?  I see him wanting to build a profitable business but the lack of business experience causing a lot of issues so only time will show if this is a scam, I hope his gung ho words are worthy.  Actions are better than woods, the way to start to do right by everyone is to start returning e-mail no matter the hour and simply show more respect to people.  I hope he come thundering across the finish line for EVERYONE and proves us so called hater or what I would say frustrated people wrong.  

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What's wrong with you people James Sperman did this sale for the good of the fig community. He did not benefit from the free use of your money."

Are you serious? What have you been putting in your Fudge? And stop drinking all that koolaid.
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Don't you people know how businesses work? None of this is James' fault. It's all YOUR faults. You're not ordering MORE trees. How do you think James is supposed to get money to send your trees? If you'd just go on the site and order MORE TREES, he can start shipping your original orders. Sheesh.
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