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Nice brebas Raynding2 ,is this your tree?
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Yes,we lived in Greece with many fig trees,when we came back to the UK our daughter had one delivered to us, a B.Turkey.
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Outstanding!! Thanks very much for sharing .
I was born and raised in Athens ,by the way, and spent my summers on the coast of Artemis , 23 km east of Athens so I understand how it feels to be surrounded by figs.

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In Defense of English Brown Turkey, or just Brown Turkey as we call it here in Europe.


Wow, Jon, nothing will get you going like brebas or Brown Turkey :) - Well, hold on, here comes a post that combines your two favorite fig phenomenons.......

I guess if I was living in Southern California, i would have other favorites too......

Frank, You are not alone in liking Brown Turkey. But Brown Turkey comes in many versions. The one I am growing here in Southern Scandinavia is an amazing fig variety. I call it Brown Turkey, because I believe it is the original Brown Turkey ! Following in American tradition for naming figs, I would have to call it English Brown Turkey.

Figs have so many aliases, but English Brown Turkey has more aliases than any other fig, I think. One of the more pretty names is “Bella Brunetta” in Italy, but I’m not going to try and list all the aliases from around Europe or USA.

It is a different variety than most Brown Turkeys grown in the US, I believe.

This is the most cultivated variety of fig in northern Europe. It has been the standard variety for decades, if not centuries in Denmark and other northern European countries.  It is so, because it combines several good traits for our cool summers and relatively mild winters. It is, so to speak, our Desert King, because it does precisely what Desert King does for growers in the PNW !

English Brown Turkey Good traits:

-It is amongst the more frost hardy fig varieties, but like any other fig-varieties, it can freeze to the ground, below -15C.

It bears a substantial breba crop of 0-8 figs per shoot, that ripens over a period of several weeks In August,  even in a cool coastal climate.  So one fig tree can carry hundreds of breba figs to maturity, and just one tree can supply all the figs, that a normal household would dream of. The main crop figs do not normally develop to maturity here in Northern Europe. But in a warmer climate, or a greenhouse, they do. (So take note please, it is a common fig, performing as well as the San Pedro cultivar "Desert King".)


The EBT breba figs are delicious as fresh fruit, and they can be used for any kitchen purpose You can think of, and they even dry well, in case the freezer is full, and your family had enough fresh figs and pies for the season.

I think, that the eating quality of figs, is not determined so much by the fact that they are brebas or main crop. More by the weather at the time of ripening. And since these breba-babies ripen at the height of summer here, they taste good.

They actually even begin to dry on the tree, if the tree is in a well drained soil, and the weather is right.

Untill recently, this was the only fig grown here. Elsewhere in Scandinavia, for instance in the island of Bornholm, you also find Brunswick. But very few other fig varieties are found here.  Figs grow into large bushes or trees in gardens close to the ocean, especially in our islands.  Inland they freeze to the ground in many winters. Only breba-croppers have a chance to ripen here. No Main crop variety will ripen in the open in Scandinavia, unless it ripens well before Ronde de Bordeaux. I doubt if such a variety exists.

But is English Brown Turkey really that unique, is it the only fig variety in the world, that will carry up to 8 breba-figs per shoot, in total bringing hundreds of figs to maturity on one tree, in a cool summer climate. ? Maybe not! I have heard about one other variety called Desert King, which is reputed to bear up to 8 breba figs on one branch in the PNW. But I haven’t tried this cultivar yet.
I am searching for other breba varieties to match English Brown Turkey in yield and quality, in my climate. All contenders are welcome, but I think EBT is hard to beat in my climate.

I would encourage all fig growers in the PNW or other similarly cool summer/mild-winter climates, where brebas survive winter, to try our European “English Brown Turkey” (whatever it is called locally) as a supplement to Desert King in the open garden.
Where winter temperatures are lower, its justification is to be grown in greenhouses, in pots, or otherwise protected from hard frost, but please don’t prune all the annual shoots in winter, you’ll miss out on its great breba harvest at a time where all the main croppers still are far from maturity.
BT2_web.jpg  A perfectly ripe English Brown Turkey
btdrying_web.jpg  An overripe EBT, starting to dry. I finish drying them in the oven. A big old jar of dried figs is a treasure in winter. When I open the jar, the sweet fig aroma emerges....
BT_web.jpg  6 delicious brebas on one shoot is not unusual, I've seen up to 8, but to be fair some shoots have zero fruits
BTtree_web.jpg 

The tree that gave the fruits above. Tree is ten years old. Sometimes I have to hug the tree, when I pass it. Thanks for the figs, English Brown Turkey.





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Very nice topic Frank and a beautiful fig.
Do the any of the following pics remind you of your BT? The figs were picked way to early so just mind that! Thanks bud!


Hey Chris, It sure looks like mine, even down to the leaf! It has a small hollow spot also like mine! Is yours real sweet and taste better than an ordinary Brown Turkey Fig? The old BrownTurkey around here has Amber flesh. If you look up "Southern Brown Turkey" and then go to "Images" it looks just like the one I posted! What is the history on yours?

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Hey Frank. I thought so but I wanted to hear from you. It lives at a friends property here in GA , is at least fifteen years old and has died back to the ground and come back strong three times! Very productive , no brebas or very few if any , med size dark fruit with outstanding flavor.
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This brown turkey is in Eastern NC and belongs to some family members.  Do you think this is at all similar to yours Frank?  Last year this fig looked less "flat" at the base and more rounded, this year it has a flattened look.  I love the taste of this fruit no matter what the haters say.

 Frank is the man, he helped me with a bunch of cuttings this past year.  I hope to post those up and their progress sometime when things slow down.



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I see this still isnt listed on the petal from the past website. Do they still have it and just sold out or did they stop selling it?
Anyone have a  cutting or 2?

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In The North east,and mid Atlantic states,English Brown Turkey,is not good in ground because Breba get killed by Frost and main crop get ripe too late and too slow.
However ,if grown in pot,and taken in, for Winter,then it will produce very good breba and a few good main crop fruits too.
In retrospect after growing more than one kind of Brown Turkey,My final conclusion is that ,English Brown Turkey,if grown as climate permits,is the best Brown Turkey of them all.
Here ,is a pix of the tree i use to have,in a good warm Summer(main crop): English Brown TurkeyDSCN0318.JPG
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Herman, the pic I posted is a Brown Turkey that has been in the ground for 40 years in Eastern North Carolina.  Do you think the fruit I posted is English Brown?  Thanks for responding, I have been hoping that you would.  Thanks for posting the pics also.
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 Per Jason at Petals From the Past...as of two weeks ago.


'We currently have the following varieties of fig:

Alma,Celeste, Lsu purple, lsu black, white Marseille, lemon, O'Rourke,
papa john, and green ischia".

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Tennesseefig:In my opinion your fig is not English Brown Turkey
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Herman2 you left me with a cliff hanger.  What do you think it could be if that's the case?  I can get more pics of the fruit if need be.  The leaves look like Brown Turkey, the fruit seems to match and the tradition of the tree's name is Brown Turkey.  I would love to hear your opinion.


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Here are pixies of English Brown Turkey ,that is how my tree leaf and fruits use to look.
Your Tree look different to me! English Brn frts and leafTrk1.jpg  English Brn Trk 2jpg interior.jpg  English Brn Trk breba and leaf 3pg.jpg  English Brn Trk frts4pg.jpg 

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My brown turkey produces fruit that tastes as much like a peach as a fresh peach does.

I love my BT


Doug

My in ground BT died back to the ground on it's first 2 years.
But it has made it through the last 2 years winters without a glitch.
Maybe it is just my zone.

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Herman2 do you have pics of southern brown turkey?
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Yes:Southern B.T.
Plant died in ,Winter 2014.
Pix of fruits ,top Celeste
Bottom Southern BT
My opinion:Your tree is not Southern BT,

SouthernBrownJRTurkey3Celeste.jpg  Southern Brown Turkey fig.JPG 

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I have reviewed so much information on this forum and the our figs forum as well and it seems there are lots of disagreements regarding Brown Turkey.  I have seen a few members post pics of their English Brown that look identical to the pic I posted.  It seems mislabeling has caused tremendous confusion about varieties.  I do not claim to be an expert.  For now I will continue referring to this as Brown Turkey until I find out for sure one way or another.  I do really appreciate your pics and input Herman.  
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Hi tennesseefig,
Are those pics of a breba or maincrop ?
They don't look like brebas of my BT, but for sure would match the maincrop on my BT .

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Main crop jdsfrance.
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Hi,
Then for me, you have a BT :) like we have here in Europe.

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VS, that first picture you posted is one of mine that I took years ago from my 2 trees.  I still have that picture!  Back then, What I was trying to explain years ago is both groups of figs on the top and bottom came from 2 different Celeste trees.  Those in top came from James Robin.  I drove all the way from Charlotte to Oppolosus then on the Houston years ago picking up fig tree along the way with a unhaul on my truck!  Those in the bottom came from a Celeste tree in North Carolina.  Its possible JR got them mixed up!  I bought 3 of his Celeste figs which has me wondering if they truly are Celeste!  Why?  Because Celeste is 10x hardier than Brown Turkey!  His trees died to the ground 2 years ago when we were hit with 5 degree temps.  So, I think they really are BT figs and not Celeste!

There still is a lot of confusion around the world on these 2.  But the leaf pattern is a dead give away!  I do have several Brown Turkey fig trees from around the world and Celeste too.  My goal is to document all the sources where these trees are coming from.  In my travels around the south, Some folks call all figs brown turkey.  But the best brown turkey figs I've ever tasted came from Petal from the Past.  Their Brown Turkey tree came from Italy and has a dark red center.  Talk about more confusion!!!  LOL!

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Hey Dennis, Got to eat 5 of the POTP SEBT today, center very red,  OMG they were something else! All thanks to you! : )
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Tennesseefig, an English Brown Turkey main crop fig looks like this:

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This is my first EBT main crop fig ever. Normally the main crop never ripens here. For some reason my tree started to ripen a main crop fig with still half of the breba figs on the tree.

Here are some more pictures of the breba (left) and main crop (right):

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I think that the inside of the main crop can be darker later on in the season. My first brebas also had this pale amber color, like you can see in this post: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/differences-in-appearance-8182363?pid=1292941946

This is one of my favorite figs. EBT will always have a place in my garden.



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I am just going to post what I consider a "real brown turkey" to be.  Light brown to purple brown, pear shaped, large to huge 60-150 grams, open eye, hollow center, taste, watery melon flavor.

Here is a brown turkey fig that I just picked, it has ripened during a 2 week period of rainfall with no sun coming out, according to my rain gauge we got over 30 inches in the last 2 weeks...
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 Inside of the fruit
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Surprisingly there was no splits or cracks, but with the giant open eye, some vinegar yeast got in and it smelled quite bad.

Here is a picture of what Bass said looks like a "real brown turkey"
1562023.jpe  Here is a quote from a post by Bass.

 [I went to Australia 5 years ago and sampled some figs. These figs were sold at many farm stands around New South Wales. It's is for sure the real brown turkey. Judging by the shape, color and taste. These were fully ripened and picked at peak time for harvesting, since they were from a farm stand. They were selling for good money. How did it taste? 

I sampled half and threw away the other half. Very bland and watery and if at was my first fig to eat I would have never tasted figs again. 
No wonder why it is a money maker for them, they have good shelf life and good size, they transport easily due to their thick skin. 
There are many figs around being sold as brown turkey, but are not the real variety. Brown turkey has a pear shaped fruit with that color skin, and sometimes a big cavity in the center.]

 


Here is BT and Celeste in my yard  cuttings "handed down" from my Grandfathers tree in Pensacola from early 1900 s. The taste is not great and the open eye attracts wasps and other bugs. I have not seen this fig with the darker purple since none survive the birds, insects and rain long enough to ripen completely. 
My BT looks alot like Figgysid1s  I totally agree with Bass on the BT - not my favorite.  But, the minnie ponies really like them.

The BT is later than Celeste. This year looks like the Celeste will have a second crop. 
BT  8- 23-2016
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 Comparison  BT vs Celeste
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