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Subject: Weather Cooling, Harvest Reduced Replies: 6
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The weather here in central Arizona has been cooling since October.  Recently temps were in the 60's for several days.  I have not watered since last week.  Leaf growth has slowed drastically.  Several plants have figs that have turned color but are ripening sloooooowly.  I ate one today that was purple and starting to droop.  It was not very soft or sweet.  I should have left it longer.  Next week temps are supposed to get back into the upper 70's so I am hoping the harvest will improve again.

Desert King, Joe's Jersey (unknown), and Violette de Bordeaux are still ripening fruit.  VDB has been the most productive.  Black Madeira and Hardy Chicago have unripe figs that I don't think will ripen this year.  I picked off the remaining LSU Purple crop because they just didn't taste good.  Celeste keeps dropping fruit while it is immature.  I have been surprised that Desert King has been ripening a main crop and Celeste keeps dropping its main crop.  Right now Celeste is on my "must go" list if it does not do well next year.

Subject: bird netting enclosure Replies: 45
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Ken,

In the meanwhile you can get some 1/2" bird netting and throw it over the individual trees to save whats left of your crop for this year.  Home Depot and Lowes sell it.

Joe

Subject: Cuttings to trade Replies: 12
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Nice collection.


Subject: What Is Your Fastest Growing Fig Tree Replies: 6
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Desert King, LSU Purple, VDB, Black Madeira, and Joe's Jersey.


Subject: Socorro Black 2011 & 2012 Replies: 42
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Very nice photography.  Sounds like a great fig.


Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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Ken,

I'm also holding out hope that fruit will improve as trees mature.  I have a Black Mission NL and I'm really looking forward to eating fruit from it next year based on your desription of how it does for you.  I've found it to be a slow grower and the leaves are mottled from FMV, but it is looking healthier every month and I'm crossing my fingers for next year.  This year I ate fruit from 6 varieties.  Joe's Jersey was the most consistent with tasty, soft, juicy fruit.  VDB produced EXCELLENT figs earlier in the year before it got too hot.  It's starting to produce very good figs again but the damn birds keep beating me to them.  Desert King (?) from Burnt Ridge has produced a lot of fair quality main crop figs.  I am hoping for excellent brebas next spring.  LSU Purple grew very well and was very productive, but the fruit had almost no flavor.  People say it will improve dramatically with age.  LSU Gold was a disappointment because it produced more fruit than it could ripen.  Foolishly I didn't thin the fruit in time and the tree became weak.  The few figs I left on it were poor.  I think this happened because the fruit are so large and draw a lot of energy out of the tree.  Next year I will thin the fruit.  Celeste has been a big disappointment for me.  It has dropped most of its fruit and the ones that ripened were small and dried out.  Celeste was one of my best figs in Massachusetts but I may not keep it here in AZ.  I have others that will give me fruit next year.  I'm still hoping to taste Black Madeira this year if those figs decide to ripen.  They are green and hard and seem like they they want to stay that way instead of ripening.


Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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Ken,

It's been my favorite fig so far this year.  Black Madeira has figs on it that are taking FOREVER to ripen, so we'll see.  What I like about this fig is that it is productive, has good flavor, and the fruit is soft and moist.  In Massachusetts when I grew fig trees the fruit from different varieties all ripened up moist and juicy on the inside, but getting sweet figs was more of a challenge because by the time they ripened it was starting to cool down outside.  Here in AZ all of my figs ripen up sweet, but many of them are dry.  VDB has been the worst in this regard, although recently as the weather has started to cool the VDB figs are getting juicy again.  I like this Joe's Jersey fig because it has given me soft and juicy figs when other trees were ripening up dry and tough.


Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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This tree is still small but has been averaging 2 or 3 ripe figs a week since it started ripening figs on September 8th.  Today it had 3 ripe figs at the same time.  They were delicious.  I couldn't help but take some photos.



Subject: Thank You Frozenjoe Replies: 1
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Dave,

You're more than welcome.  I wish you all the best with rooting those cuttings.


Subject: 4 Figs Replies: 4
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I've posted about this fig a couple of times before.  I bought it as Desert King from Burnt Ridge Nursery back in 2009.  It grew very slowly and never produced fruit until this year.  Then this spring it grew a lot and by the summer it was loaded with main crop figs.  I was waiting for them to drop, but instead they have been ripening up and turning yellow.  So far I have harvested about 30 of them.  They are sweet but have little fig flavor.  Some members have said this cannot be Desert King.  Others have said that Desert King sometimes ripens up a main crop and when it does this is what the figs are like.  I guess I'll find out which is right next spring.  Hopefully this is Desert King and I will have delicious green brebas with a red interior.

Subject: 4 Figs Replies: 4
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I have 4 trees in my collection that are ripening up a fig or two every few days.  This morning all 4 of them had a ripe fig so I thought I'd take a photo and do a taste review.  I have been cutting back on my watering and the figs were all a little dry as a result.


At 12 o'clock is Desert King main crop.  Oddly this DK keeps ripening up its main crop figs.  This fig was sweet with a mild fig richness.  It actually tasted similar to LSU Gold, but not quite as good.  Overall it was decent.

At 3 o'clock is LSU Purple.  This is a 2 year old tree.  The fig was mildly sweet.  It had a good seed crunch.  It was pretty bland and didn't really taste like a fig.  It had a weird after taste that was almost like bell pepper.  I am hoping that this one improves with time like every one says.

At 6 o'clock is Joe's Jersey (my unknown).  This fig was medium sweet.  It tasted like a cross between a fig and a peach.  It was good.

At 9 o'clock is Violette de Bordeaux.  This fig was infested with ants pretty badly near the eye.  I cleaned them out, but still didn't trust eating the bottom of the fig.  So I ate the top 2/3 of it.  This fig was very sweet.  It had a rich flavor that reminded me of a perfectly ripe blackberry.  This fig was excellent.


Subject: Cold Hardy fig taste test Replies: 2
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Bob,

Do you have photos of what Hardy Hartford looks like?  I've heard good things about it but have no idea what it looks like.

Thanks.


Subject: Joe's Jersey Original Tree in NJ Replies: 5
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Hi Luke.  No problem.  It was great to meet another fig nut.  Hope those cuttings root for you.

Go Jets!


Subject: Joe's Jersey Original Tree in NJ Replies: 5
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Hi Ox.  Clifton NJ is zone 6 (I think).  It's in the northern part of the state.  I'm not sure what zone the Texas coast is, but I think it's got to be milder and easier to grow fig trees there.  Driving around today I also saw a couple of fig trees growing in the ground in Nutley, NJ.  I think only the hardiest varieties can survive in ground up here.  I'm not sure if the trees in Nutley were given any winter protection but this tree (Joe's Jersey) has never been protected in the winter.


Subject: Joe's Jersey Original Tree in NJ Replies: 5
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I am in Clifton, NJ right now visiting family.  I just drove over to the house I used to live in as a kid.  The tree was still there and looked better than I expected.  Luke (lukeott) from the forum met me there.  My mom was there too.  We took cuttings.  Luke's a real nice guy.  He said he would like to post pictures but he can never figure out how to do it!  Here are some photos that I took.  I'll get in touch with those of you who contacted me for cuttings once I'm back in Arizona and figure out how much it will cost me to mail them out.  If anyone else is interested in cuttings PM me.  I might have a few cuttings left for you.  This is a tough tree that is hardy in the cold and in the heat.  It's been growing here since at least the 1970's and has been cut down more than once, but keeps coming back.  The fruit is very nice.












Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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Here's one from this morning.  I probably should have left it on the tree one more day, but it was still good.  I'll be in NJ this weekend.  I should be able to get some cuttings from the original tree.  I'll take photos.



Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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Here are those two figs picked this morning.  They are small, sweet, and rich.  Notice the outside of this fig never turns solid purple; there's always some green or yellow mixed in.  The fruit from this tree is soft and juicy, no matter how hot or dry the weather gets.




Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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Luke,

I've been here one year so far.  From what I've seen it looks like the growing season is late March through early December.  In the winter it is in the 60's during the day and at night it goes down to around 40.  We did get a few freezes last winter.

I'm hoping to keep eating figs into November.  I still have figs that will ripen up this year on this tree, VDB, Desert King, and Black Madeira.  The long growing season is definitely one of the perks of living in Arizona.

Subject: Is this Italian Honey? Replies: 7
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Herman and Ottawan,

Thanks for the feedback.  This is good news.  Hopefully I'll get a good crop of Desert King figs next spring.

Subject: Is this Italian Honey? Replies: 7
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I bought this fig 2 years ago.  It was supposed to be Desert King.  But it is ripening its main crop and they come out looking like this.  Could this be Italian Honey?  The nursery I bought it from sold Italian Honey at the time.  Italian Honey is also called Lattarula.




This fig is sweet, but I consider its flavor below average.


Subject: On Naming Figs Replies: 34
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Thanks Brent.

Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
Posted By: FrozenJoe Views: 2,757
 
More figs are ripening up on this tree.  It's a good variety, whatever it ends up being called.



Subject: On Naming Figs Replies: 34
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Brent I just read your post after posting mine.  I'm so confused on this topic.  Maybe there will never be a good standard approach.

Subject: On Naming Figs Replies: 34
Posted By: FrozenJoe Views: 2,041
 

So I have an unknown fig that I’ve been calling Joe’s Jersey.  It may end up being something new or it may end up being something that’s already being grown.  The source is an old tree growing in Clifton, NJ that’s been there since at least the 1970’s.  I originally called it Jersey until it was pointed out to me on the forum that there was already a Jersey fig in circulation.  At that point I started calling it Joe’s Jersey to distinguish it from any other Jersey figs (and also apparently because of my big ego).

What should be the correct name for a fig like this?  Should it be Unknown Clifton?  I’m inclined to think that putting Unknown at the end of the name might be a better idea.  It would cut down on the redundancy of dozens of new figs in the near future all starting with the word Unknown.  I’m leaning toward Clifton Unknown as the best name for this fig.  What do others think?


Subject: Colasanti Dark Replies: 20
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Nice looking fig.  I can tell just by the photo that I would like it.


Subject: On Naming Figs Replies: 34
Posted By: FrozenJoe Views: 2,041
 
The most comprehensive DNA testing done so far on fig varieties can be found in this document:

Jon posted about it in this thread:

They tested 194 varieties from the UC Davis collection.  They found some to be duplicates.  

Here's what makes this so difficult.  Every new seedling grown from a pollinated fig (where the wasp and caprifig exist) is a genetically unique individual and is its own variety.  Because of this I am sure that there are thousands if not tens or hundreds of thousands of varieties of figs out there.  They've been in cultivation for thousands of years.  Every little village in Southern Europe and the Middle east has some figs that are unique to that  area.  The number of fig varieties is pretty mind blowing.

Here we are in America cut off from the historical and geographical continuity that exists in Southern Europe and the Middle East and we're trying to connect the dots and figure out what the variety is and where it came from originally.

What we really have to guard against is assigning duplicate names to varieties that are already in circulation over here.  That is something that we can control and do something about.  But I don't think we'll ever be able to find the original variety name to a fig that some guy brought over 80 years ago from his little village in Italy or Greece.

I have reservations about adding "Unknown" to the name of a fig.  Every new fig is going to be Unknown This and Unknown That.  That seems to make it even more confusing.  Before you know it there will be 80 Unknowns and everyone will be confused by that.



Subject: On Naming Figs Replies: 34
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Many unknowns were brought over years ago from Italy and other parts of the Old World.  The original names were lost.  It may never be possible to know what they were originally called.


Subject: On Naming Figs Replies: 34
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What happens when a fig is discovered that is unknown?  Should that fig be given a name with the word "Unknown" in it?  Should the word "Unknown" ever be dropped from the name?  For example, should a hypothetical name like Unknown Washington Green be shortened to Washington Green if it passes into circulation and no known variety can be identified?

Any thoughts?

Subject: Memorable figs of 2011 Replies: 24
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Great thread.  I'll post my results in a couple of months.


Subject: Prayer request for my brother in law and family Replies: 45
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So sorry Gene.


Subject: Morning Harvest Replies: 14
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George,
It looks nice but the taste is so bland.  Medium sweetness and nothing else.

Ken,
I'm planning to leave it until next year.  I still have the hope that maybe this is DK and the main crop is just turning out weird this year.


Subject: Morning Harvest Replies: 14
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Here are photos of the leaves:

Whatever this variety is, if this is as good as the fruit gets I don't want it.


Subject: Morning Harvest Replies: 14
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Dennis,

What variety do you think it could be?

Subject: Morning Harvest Replies: 14
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I really hope they didn't send me the wrong fig. If this is all it produces and there are no high quality brebas to look forward to then this plant is going to fig heaven next year.

Subject: Morning Harvest Replies: 14
Posted By: FrozenJoe Views: 879
 
Ken,

That's what I thought too.  I ordered the tree from Burnt Ridge back in 2009.  It barely grew in 2009 and 2010.  This year it took off.  It went from being at my knee at the beginning of the year to now almost 6 feet tall.  It's loaded with main crop figs that are ripening, but their quality is poor.  This is the first crop of figs that it has ever produced, beside a few brebas that it started and then dropped this spring.  Next spring I'm waiting to see what it does.  If it doesn't make and ripen a bunch of brebas then I think they accidentally shipped me something other than DK.



Subject: Viollet de Bordeaux pics Replies: 5
Posted By: FrozenJoe Views: 717
 
Those look amazing.


Subject: Morning Harvest Replies: 14
Posted By: FrozenJoe Views: 879
 
Thanks.  Hopefully I'll keep harvesting figs here into November.


Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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Here is another fig from Joe's Jersey.  It is soft and sweet and rich and peachy.  I think that the flavor is improving as the plant gets bigger and stronger.  The fruit is small.



Subject: Morning Harvest Replies: 14
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This is what I harvested this morning.  On top is Joe's Jersey.  To the right is Violette de Bordeaux.  To the left is Desert King main crop.  Joe's Jersey was the best.  It was soft, sweet, rich, and peachy.  VDB tends to ripen dry and tough when the temps stay above 100.  It was sweet and had good flavor, but the texture was poor.  DK is ripening almost all of its main crop.  They come out banana yellow.  The DK is sweet, but watery and bland tasting.



Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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Afigfan & Luke,

I'm going to make cuttings of this plant available for others to grow.  I'll see if that's a possibility when I visit the mother plant, if not then when my plant needs pruning I will distribute from what I have.  It's located in the Athenia section of Clifton.  The plant was large and established when my family lived at the property in the 1980's.  But the current owners have neglected the plant and keep cutting it back to the ground.  My mom was lucky to find enough of it left last year to take a few cuttings.  I'll see what's left of it this year when I'm in NJ.   

Here's another fig on my tree that will be ripe in a day or two.  I'll post pics of this one when it's ripe.


Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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This fig continues to be one of the healthiest and most productive in my collection.  I tasted another fig from it yesterday.  It was nice and sweet.  I would describe the taste as: Sweetness 8 out of 10, Figgy Flavor 4 out of 10, Peachy Richness 6 out of 10.  I hope its quality continues to improve as the plant matures.  The fruit remains small (about the size of a quarter), but is very soft and moist.

Here are some updated photos:


I am visiting NJ in October and will try to take photos of the mother tree.


Subject: Any fig varieties from the Azores? Replies: 17
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Dominick,

How does that red one taste?


Subject: My Video Replies: 24
Posted By: FrozenJoe Views: 1,332
 
Martin,

Thanks for posting this.  It is VERY helpful to see varieties that are new to me on video.  If a picture is worth a thousand words a video is worth a million.  Great collection.


Subject: Moscatel Preto Replies: 27
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The single and three lobed leaves look similar in shape and size to Black Madeira.  My BM has not put out 5 lobed leaves yet, but it may as it matures.  The fruit on this tree looks similar to Black Madeira also.


Subject: a surprise for me today Replies: 7
Posted By: FrozenJoe Views: 709
 
Grant,

Same thing has been happening to me this summer. My DK has a lot of main crop figs on it.  I've been waiting for them to drop, but instead they are turning yellow and drooping.  They are yellow on the inside too.  They are sweet but not very rich.  They are staying on the chewy side and not really getting that soft.


Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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I'm bumping this one just to see if I can get any feedback.  Does anyone know what this is?  In my collection it is most similar to Hardy Chicago.  The leaves and fruit look almost identical.  But the flavor is different (HC has a strong classical "fig" flavor).  This one also seems more productive and starts forming fruit earlier in the season without pinching.


Subject: "Nero" and "Barnissote" - the same fig? Replies: 52
Posted By: FrozenJoe Views: 5,497
 
UC Davis Barnissotte

Source = a cutting from UC Davis in 2010

The leaves are LARGE.  They have long lobes.  The leaves do not get a very dark shade of green.

Top View:


Side View:


This one started out in 2010 as a very strong grower.  Then one day last summer it just collapsed and appeared to be dead.  It slowly came back, but was a weak grower with lots of signs of FMV.  For about the last month it has been growing strong again.  Hopefully no more collapses.

Subject: "Nero" and "Barnissote" - the same fig? Replies: 52
Posted By: FrozenJoe Views: 5,497
 
I have one from uc davis that is finally getting healthy. I will post a photo later to compare.

Subject: "Nero" and "Barnissote" - the same fig? Replies: 52
Posted By: FrozenJoe Views: 5,497
 
The leaves do not look like UC Davis Barnissotte.


Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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Here is another fig from this tree.  This one was a little sweeter.  Not much of a typical "fig" flavor.  It had that acidic flavor again.  I would describe that taste as more like peach or nectarine.  It was good.  Any idea if this is a known variety?





 

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