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Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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So I tasted a ripe fig from this tree today.  I hadn't tasted a fig from this variety in about twenty years.  I didn't remember how it tasted and wasn't sure what to expect.

Here are pics:


The flavor was not what I expected.  It was at a medium level of sweetness.  Also at a medium level of classical "fig" flavor.  But it had a strong acidic flavor that I have not tasted in other figs in my current collection.  It was different but nice.  You can't tell too much from just one fig.  I have another one that will ripen in a day or two.  Then I have some more that will ripen in a few weeks.  I'll taste those to compare.

Again, here is a photo of the leaves:
The leaf on the left is an old leaf from early in the season.  This is the typical leaf type when the weather is not to hot.  The leaf on the right is the typical shape that comes out once the weather gets very hot.  The leaves are fairly small on this variety.

Is this a known variety or is this something new?




Subject: What insect made this? Replies: 5
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Wasp.  I had one building a nest in my Celeste a few weeks ago. When it flew away I would break off the nest.  It kept rebuilding in the same spot on the same leaf, so I picked off the leaf.  Then it started to build on the next leaf over.  I had to kill the thing because it was obsessed with that tree.  It's no fun to have wasps buzzing around when you go near your fig tree.


Subject: Vasilika Sika Replies: 54
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Those trees look very healthy.  Thanks for posting.


Subject: I saved my ripe fruits from rain today! Replies: 15
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Herman,

That's amazing!


Subject: I saved my ripe fruits from rain today! Replies: 15
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Herman,

Even though the rain makes them less than perfect, still what a harvest!  I hope one day to harvest that many figs at once.  My one day record is 6 figs to date.  You must have at least 50 figs there!


Subject: Sampling Hardy Chicago vs Ischia Black video Replies: 4
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Great video.  Those Hardy Chicagos looked very nice.


Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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Jason,

I think its just a scale from the eye that is a different color than the rest.  Here's a different angle.




Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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A couple of figs are starting to ripen up on this tree.  I'll post pics of ripe fruit in a few days and hopefully I can get an identification on this one.


Subject: Black Mission NL Replies: 5
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Ken,

I have a small one of these. Can't wait to taste it next year. Thanks for posting pics.


Subject: Awe inspiring figs Replies: 1
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Tom,

It is interesting to think about.

An article was published back in 2006 in Science Magazine that first described how figs may have been domesticated even before wheat and barley.  Here's a link to the article.  It's on page 34.


Not sure if this is on Jon's link page or not.

EDIT:
The article is on page 116.  A summary of the article is on 34.


Subject: Syrup of Figs Replies: 20
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I hope that my face looks that serene next time I need some laxative.


Subject: New Fig Owner Question Replies: 6
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Matt,

A photo would help give us all a better idea of what you should do.  But from what you've described I would say don't prune it.  Give it good winter protection.  Don't give it any fertilizer this year.  Watering will be a little tricky.  You just planted it so you'll want to give it water to get established (unless you get frequent rain).  But you don't want to give it much water late into the growing season or the tree might keep pushing out new growth instead of hardening off and getting ready for the winter.

Congratulations on your tree.


Subject: My first fig ever.. almost ripe Replies: 11
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Grant,

Congratulations on your first figs.  Now you'll be hooked.


Subject: Too many fig trees... Replies: 17
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If you have enough time between now and the move maybe you could start airlayers.  I guess that would also depend on how much growing season you have left.


Subject: Will my LSU Purple taste better with age? Replies: 14
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John,

I don't have ripe fruit yet to compare.  It sounds like the leaves are the same so I won't bother to post pics of them.  This plant has grown a lot this year and has lots of figs forming, so I would guess #1 at this point, but I'll have to wait for fruit to ripen to tell.


Subject: Will my LSU Purple taste better with age? Replies: 14
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John,

I have an LSU Purple from Edible Landscaping.  Do you know if they are selling strain #1 or #2?  I can post pics if that helps.


Subject: Desert Adaptation Replies: 15
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Jon,

I plan on being there.  I just have to fill out that registration form.  See you then.


Subject: This season's growth Replies: 6
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Ken,

Impressive growth.  Keep doing what you're doing.


Subject: Desert Adaptation Replies: 15
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@ Jon
Thanks.

@ Bill
I grew figs in northeast Massachusetts from 2007 - 2010 and now I've been growing them in central Arizona since 2010.  I see that the same plants have put out different shaped leaves as a response to the change in climate.  If I had to make a call right now I'd say that plants with thick, medium lobed, small to medium sized leaves handle this climate the best.  But I really need to be here a few more summers and let the plants grow out to know for sure.  This climate makes leaves curl, regardless of how much water you give the plant.  I think there is an ideal leaf type to resist leaf curl.  I think that plants that are able to resist curl in this climate stay healthier and have the potential to put out a lot of growth and fruit in our long season.

@ Ken
I noticed the same thing with Celeste.  The Celeste fruit was significantly larger in MA.  I also noticed that figs were juicier in MA.


Subject: Mission Fig Against Garage Wall? Replies: 12
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Ruben,

That tree is huge!


Subject: Desert Adaptation Replies: 15
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The low humidity makes it tough for the plants.  Moisture gets sucked out of the leaves faster than the roots can replace it.  I can tell when it's real dry because that's when the leaves curl up on several of the fig trees.  I think the high heat intensifies the problem.

I believe that certain varieties have the ability to handle these conditions better than others.  It is still too early for me to really understand why.  But I'm starting to believe that leaf shape, size, and thickness matter.  I also think that plants that produce large fruit are at a disadvantage.  These are just preliminary ideas.  A few years out here growing figs will make these things clearer to me.


Subject: Desert Adaptation Replies: 15
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I'll have to pay attention to the spring leaf shape to compare.  On Joe's Jersey I can still find a few leaves without much serration at the bottom of the plant.


Subject: Desert Adaptation Replies: 15
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@Ken
Good to know they're not too far off from how yours are doing in Tuscon.  The Hardy Chicago and Joe's Jersey show the most extreme leaf edge serration compared to the standard form I saw in the Northeast.  They also are two of the most heat tolerant.

@Jon
These trees were all planted in early March of this year, except for Black Madeira which was planted in early April (it's the air layer you sent me).  Before that most of them were in ground for six months at a different property in AZ.  Before that most were in 2 gallon containers.  The VDB was in a 5 gallon and is older than the other plants.


Subject: Desert Adaptation Replies: 15
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Thanks Rafed.  They'll get there.


Subject: Desert Adaptation Replies: 15
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It has been very hot here in Mesa, AZ.  113 today.  113 yesterday.  111 the day before that.  I water my trees every second day.  I will water them after I post this.  I know these plants will bounce right back after being watered.  I also know that many advocate providing shade.  I feel that allowing the plants to experience the full sun will help them in the long run to be strongly rooted and well adapted.

It seems variety plays a role in how well a plant can tolerate the heat and sun all day.  Here are the photos.  Judge for yourself how well each variety does in this intense heat.  They all receive the same care.

Black Mission NL


Col de Dame


Violette de Bordeaux


Joe's Jersey


LSU Purple


Hardy Chicago


Desert King


LSU Gold


Barnissotte


Black Madeira


I observe that many of the varieties have put out leaves with highly serrated edges, which I believe is some sort of adaptation to the intense dry heat.



Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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Sara, you bet I am!  This is the fig that I ate as a little kid.  I learned to love eating figs because of this one.


Subject: A Brown Turkey even Jon would like :) Replies: 27
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Nice looking fig.


Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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Sara,

I'm probably going to make a few cuttings available in the winter.

I don't remember the flavor of this fig because the last time I ate it was about 20 years ago when I was a kid.  I'm looking forward to getting ripe fruit from it probably in September some time.  I'll post pics and a description then.


Subject: Dark Portuguese - Some pictures Replies: 19
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Martin,

Thanks for the info.


Subject: Dark Portuguese - Some pictures Replies: 19
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Martin,

Can you post photos of the leaves?  How does this one compare to Hardy Chicago?


Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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Alan,

I don't think it is that fig.  I've noticed that leaves on several of my cultivars have gotten more of a saw-tooth looking edge to them since moving to Arizona.  I think it may be a response to the climate.
 

Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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Ruben,

I posted a photo of this plant in an old post.  The photo is from last year (August I think) when it was a much smaller plant.  Joe's Jersey is the plant all the way to the right.  So I think the leaves that are coming out now are the true shape.



Subject: Ronde de Bordeaux Figs Replies: 6
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Beautiful photos Martin.  I think I need to get a better camera.


Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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Will, thanks.

Ruben, yeah I know leaf shape on smaller plants can be different from adult, but I figured maybe it's big enough now to show the true shape. They're coming out consistently the same these days. It was probably premature of me to post this without pics of ripe fruit anyway. I'll have to revive this post when I have ripe fruit to show. I picked off all the early fruits that formed so the plant could focus on growth, which it did.

Unfortunately I don't have pics of the mother tree either. My mom lives in NJ and took the cuttings for me last year in June I think. From what she told me the mother tree isn't looking so great these days anyway. This was a large established tree when we lived at the property it grows on, but the current owners keep cutting it down and now it just sends up suckers from the roots.

I thought that Celeste does not have a red eye on immature fruit?


Subject: A Tail of Air Layering Gone Horribly Wrong Replies: 29
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That must be pay back for nibbling on your figs.  :)

Subject: Joe's Jersey Replies: 37
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I have been calling my unknown Joe's Jersey, but I am curious if someone recognizes it as a known variety.  This plant started as a green cutting last summer.

It has a very dense, bushy growth habit.

The leaves look like this:

The fruit has a red eye.

To me it seems similar to Hardy Chicago but it puts out fruit earlier in the season and is more productive.  This plant was hardy in the ground in Clifton, NJ and it also handles the desert heat in Arizona very well.  I will post pics of ripe fruit later in the year.

Anyone have an idea of what this could be?


Subject: Shocked at price of fresh figs online Replies: 43
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LOL.  I just saved a bunch of money by investing in the stock market.  Oh wait... no I didn't.


Subject: Then and now Replies: 8
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Ken,

Thanks for the info.


Subject: Then and now Replies: 8
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Ken,

Great progress.  My Celeste has been a slow grower in the 2 years I've had it.  Have you had any figs drop on yours?  Mine dropped about 50% of its figs so far this summer, but it is not as healthy as yours.


Subject: Best cultivar for fig wine? Replies: 24
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In college I had a roommate who was a big drinker.  We were playing poker one time with some other guys and one guy had some homemade moonshine.  My roommate wanted to try it.  He thought it would be nothing, so he took a big gulp.  He turned bright red and started feeling dizzy.  All that college drinking couldn't prepare him for that white lightning!


Subject: The Tale of Two Figs Replies: 11
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So which one did you eat?


Subject: The Value of Home Grown Figs Replies: 7
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I recently read David Mas Masumoto's book Epitaph for a Peach.  In that book Masumoto (a peach farmer in California) talks about his life as a peach farmer and also about his effort to save an old variety of peach known as Sun Crest.  He talks about how delicious his Sun Crest peaches are.  He also struggles to find buyers for his peaches.  It seems that these days suppliers for grocery stores are only interested in buying fruit that is appealing to the eye and that has a long shelf life.  No one wants his Sun Crest peaches, which are sweet and juicy and delicious, but not as pretty or easy to ship and store as the newer varieties.

A stroll through most grocery stores these days confirms what Masumoto is writing about.  Much of the fruit for sale today is hard and flavorless.  Fruit is picked before it reaches full ripeness so that it can be shipped more efficiently (soft, ripe fruit is more easily damaged in shipping than firm, under-ripe fruit).  The newer varieties of fruit have bright colors and last longer on the shelves but often lack the flavor and texture of the heirloom varieties.  And so, in our fast paced world many people no longer know what truly ripe and delicious fruit tastes like.  They buy the fruit that looks the nicest.  But perfectly ripe, soft, sweet, juicy, flavorful fruit is hard to come by.

That is why growing fruit at home is becoming more and more important.  Growing fig trees at home is one of the best ways to have a good supply of ripe, delicious fruit.  And the vast majority of fig cultivars are old heirloom varieties that were selected a long time ago because of their flavor and other positive characteristics.  This forum is important because it spreads free information for people all across the world to access.  That information gives people the knowledge to develop their own supply of fresh figs.  Let’s keep putting that information out there!



Subject: Wind blowing pots over Replies: 17
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I used to grow in containers and had the same problem with the wind, especially when the plants grew tall and when the soil dried out. I ended up weighing down the containers with a couple of bricks or heavy stones on top of the soil. It helped a lot but I still had occassional problems when a strong wind storm passed through.

Subject: Healthy Florea fig tree Replies: 5
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How do you find the flavor of this fig?

Subject: Eftakia, a greek fig with unique leaves Replies: 5
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Beautiful leaves.  7 lobes.

Subject: Lesson Learned year so far Replies: 21
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Dennis,

Thanks for sharing.


Subject: Fig Tree - Hardy Chicago Replies: 8
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You also may want to clear out some of that vegetation growing around it.  The roots of those plants are competing with your fig tree for water and nutrients.


Subject: Unk. Ludgero Breba Replies: 3
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That is a nice looking fig.  And it's huge!

Subject: Unusual fig tree Replies: 8
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Very promising find.  Let us know if it ripens all those figs and how they taste.


Subject: The Tigers Have Landed. Replies: 12
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I would leave them in the shade to start and work them back to full light.


 

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