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Subject: Is this California Brown Turkey? Replies: 3
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Thanks for the confirmation.  It certainly isn't a "Brown Turkey" (aka Eastern/English Brown Turkey).  The confusion caused by the use of the name "Brown Turkey" is so prevalent that my estimate is 90%+ of all "Brown Turkey" Figs sold at Nurseries in Western Washington simply aren't, but other varieties mismarked!

kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Is this California Brown Turkey? Replies: 3
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In a previous post trying to get a positive ID of two Figs, I posted this one but got no answers so reposting it asking the question Is this California Brown Turkey?  Replies from folks who grow California Brown Turkey (aka San Piero) are appreciated.  It's on a 12" x 12" stone tile and is of the Breba crop, weighing 145 grams.  It was given to me as a "Brown Turkey".

Sunny side;


Shaded side;


Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: ID needed on two varieties Replies: 5
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The first one weighed 145grams and is shown on a 30.5cm x 30.5cm (12" x 12") stone tile. The question about this one is does anybody on the Forum grow California Brown Turkey (aka San Piero) to confirm or reject the idea that this is California Brown Turkey?

The second one I didn't have any measuring tools so can't tell the size. It was photographed on the top of a cooler lid if that helps any.

Thanks, kiwibob

Subject: ID needed on two varieties Replies: 5
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Subject: ID needed on two varieties Replies: 5
Posted By: kiwibob Views: 131
The first variety was given to me as "Brown Turkey" but it isn't!  Is it really "California Brown Turkey (aka San Piero)?

The second variety is from a tree given to a local Children's Garden but they have no idea what it is.

Both are of the Breba Crop.

First sunny side of the Fig:

First shaded side of the Fig:



Leaf pattern



Happy Growing,   kiwibob   Seattle

Subject: Fig variety identification help Replies: 11
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Try pages 428 & 531 of Ira Condit's "Fig Varieties: A Monograph" (downloadable as a PDF from several sites including my website).  Your description of "When fully ripe, the skins become somewhat leathery and the inside is a much deeper violet color" makes the variety you will find on those pages my guess!

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Fig variety identification help Replies: 11
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Breba or Main crop in the photos?

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Fig - approximate ripening time in PNW /Seattle area Replies: 10
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This is a list of recorded ripening times I sent last year to a friend so his son could time a visit when Brebas were ripening:

*2015 First Fig was a Lattarula on July 13.  Most Figs ripened between July 22-August 16.
2014 Ripening was from July 25-August 30.
2013 Ripening was from August 3-September 4.
2012 Ripening was from August 13-September 29.
*2011 Ripening was from August 26-October 2.
2010 Ripening was from August 15-September 17.
**2009 Ripening was from August 9-September 26.

2016 Ripening was from July 21-August 25.

As you can see from the above list, ripening times vary each year based on how early or late relative to "normal" that we accumulate enough heat units.  2009 we set Seattle's record high temperature of 103 degrees F on July 29.  2011 was a very cool year affecting ripening times of almost all fruits, and 2015 & 2016 were unusually warm, again affecting almost all types of fruit.  Individual Fig varieties ripen fairly consistently relative to each other with Lattarula generally being first.  Main crop Figs rarely ripen here with the exception of a few varieties, Lattarula being the most likely to ripen some of its Main crop.  You can affect ripening times if you bring potted Figs under cover for the Winter and bring them back out in early Spring.  I don't do that, if they can't handle being outside all year in our climate, there's no reason to grow them.  Most of my Figs are in large pots (20 gallon or larger).

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Lattarula Replies: 8
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Lattarula or Lattarola?

Here's what Condit said in "Fig Varieties: A Monograph" about "Blanche" (aka Lattarula):

Breba crop fair; figs medium or above, up to 2 inches in length and 1-7/8 inches in
diameter, turbinate, with broad, rounded apex; neck thick and short, or absent; stalk
slightly curved, 1/4 inch long; ribs few, inconspicuous eye medium, open, scales chaffy,
erect at maturity; flecks very small and inconspicuous, green rather than white; bloom
delicate; color light green; pulp and meat white; seeds large, conspicuous; quality fair to
Second-crop figs much the same as brebas, except for smaller size; average weight 30
grams; shape spherical to oblate, mostly without neck; stalk up to 1/2 inch long. Flavor
fairly rich and sweet; quality fair as a fresh fruit, of light weight and poor quality when
dried; susceptible to fruit spoilage. (Plates 8; 26, A.)
Caprification has little effect upon size and color, either of skin or pulp. Figs
produced at Portland, Oregon, and in coastal districts of California, are usually larger in
size and more oblate in shape than those just described. Near Paris the second crop of
Blanche matures in warm seasons only.

And what he said about "Lattarola":
At Crisfield, Maryland, and at Cape Charles, Virginia, trees of Marseilles are neither
vigorous nor productive. Near Portland, Oregon, this variety ranks first among the figs
tested for home and orchard planting. A Portland nurseryman, B. R. Amend, in his
catalogue for the season of 1942, describes this variety as Lattarula (Italian honey fig), a
name suggested by some visitors from Italy. As described elsewhere, however, the
Italian variety Lattarola has red, not white, pulp.

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: How low can I prune? Replies: 37
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My two cents worth:  Your problem getting Breba production is all in how you prune your Figs!  Brebas are formed only on the previous season's wood, and most Brebas form on the tip half of that wood.  Your Desert King photos appear to show all branches that grew in 2016 pruned back to less than half of their length, hence NO or very few Brebas!  See the pruning video on Ben's site:
The only 1-year old branches Linda shortened were ones that had minor tip die-back.

No need for Winter protection in your climate, so don't baby them.

Also, if it were me, I would toss the Peter's Honey as it requires too much heat to reliably produce Brebas in your climate.  Select varieties that reliably produce a good Breba crop, and change your pruning habits.

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Is this FMV? Replies: 17
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Sure looks like FMV.  I'm of the long held opinion of old-time Fig growers that Figs in North America which haven't been "virus indexed" to kill the virus all have it!  FMV shows readily in stressed Figs and more profoundly in specific varieties (such as "Adriatic").  Here in Seattle we don't get stress conditions often so it's no big deal!  In my 26 years of Fig growing, I haven't lost a single plant to FMV and don't expect to.

Continue your collecting and don't panic.  The question I have about "Mary Lane" is if it is an appropriate variety to grow here.  Does it have a good Breba crop or a very early Main crop?  If the answer to both of those questions is no, enjoy your newly acquired ornamental Fig tree cause we just don't get enough heat units during the growing season to ripen the Main crop of most varieties here in the Great Pacific Northwet!

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Something Ate and Killed My Figs! Pics Included Replies: 39
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Patience Grasshopper, Patience ;)

kiwibob,   Seattle

Subject: Fig ID Please Replies: 12
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Probably NOT Olympian!  See Ben's Olympian photos which look like my Olympian from Burnt Ridge Nursery (one of the first Nurseries to offer Olympian after Denny McGaughy gave it to them to propagate):

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Something is gnawing my Fig trees :( Replies: 12
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Sorry, no deer or wabbits here in the Maple Leaf Neighborhood of NE Seattle!  Deer can't get to the terminal buds 10 feet above ground anyway.  If they could, there would be severe damage to the tree and surrounding ground.  Also no chipmunks.  No voles either as there are too many cats in the Neighborhood.

With 5 in-ground Figs and 30+ Fig trees in large pots spread throughout my back yard, it's not feasible to net the trees, even to try to protect the fruit during the growing season as the critters get smart after one season and find a way inside.

We do have squirrels, rats (both Norway and Roof), Possums, Raccoons, and of course all sorts of birds but the birds go after the fruit not the branches.  I did trap a roof rat in October 2014 (after 2 years of trying to catch it, it finally took the bait of a not quite ripe main crop Fig) and I haven't seen any of them since.  It could be there is another one around now.

Happy New Year,   kiwibob   Seattle

Subject: Something is gnawing my Fig trees :( Replies: 12
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Something is gnawing my in-ground Fig trees!  Whatever it is, the gnawing just started in the last week and is focusing on the terminal buds and lower buds, primarily on my 25 year old Desert King tree but also on my 15 year old Vashon Violet (Brunswick) tree.  This happened several years ago on rooted cuttings in my greenhouse during the Winter.

I took these photos today after seeing white spots on the branches from my Kitchen window.  The first photo was taken from inside the Kitchen.

The white spots barely visible on the branches are all gnawed.  Desert King at left, Vashon Violet at right.

Desert King branch with missing terminal bud and two lower bud rings gnawed.

Gnawed Desert King terminal bud.

I hope the critter loses its appetite soon before it eats all of the 2017 Breba crop buds.

kiwibob,   Seattle

Subject: Drap d'Or Replies: 17
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My two cents worth:

I have a "Royal Vineyard" (aka Drap d'Or) from a Wisconsin source (2010).  It is in a very large pot and attempted to set its first, a few Main crop Figs this year but all have fallen while other Main crop Figs that won't ripen are still hanging on the trees.  Its leaves are somewhat similar to those in Pino's post.

I have a "Grantham's Royal" from a local source (2012) and a "Dauphine" from a NY source (2012) who got his parent plant from UC Davis.  The leaves of "Grantham's Royal" and "Dauphine" do look distinctly similar with coarsely crenate margins, but don't match my "Royal Vineyard".  Some prior posts on this Forum have speculated that "Grantham's Royal" and "Dauphine" are the same variety by different names.  It will be a few more years before I can compare Brebas of these two varieties.  And maybe global warming of 3-5° C before I can compare Main crop Figs of the two here in the Pacific Northwet ;)

To add to the confusion, Malli's Genetic Fingerprinting Study (FigLink 1110) of the UC Davis Collection shows a match between their "Drap d'Or" and "Archipel", the first being a San Pedro type and the latter being a Common type!  The study also lists "Lampeira" and "Adriatic" as genetic matches, again the first being a San Pedro type and the latter being a Common type.  There are several other instances of Figs in the UC Davis Collection of distinctly different varieties per Condit's "Fig Varieties: A Monograph" (available as a downloadable PDF from my website) that Malli's study lists as matches.  Malli's study clearly indicates to me that a number of Figs in the UC Davis Collection are mislabeled!

Since Genetic Fingerprinting is possibly the most reliable method of determining if varieties match each other, it will take comparing the results of several such studies of collections in other countries that have not traded material between themselves to determine if there is actually a match for given named Cultivars.  Even that won't be definitive as it is highly likely that every major Fig Collection contains mislabeled varieties.  I'm sure my collection of ±40 varieties (about 8 of which are known or suspected matches) also contains mislabeled varieties.

Aah, the Joy of Fig ID ;)

kiwibob,   Seattle

Subject: A pollination mystery in September Replies: 19
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"I just collected a few ripe Unk. Pastilliere figs (Nov. 15th), it is a Smyrna and must be pollinated to ripen."

According to Condit in "Fig Varieties: A Monograph" (available on my website as a downloadable PDF), page 456, Pastilliere is a Common type Fig, not Smyrna!  If yours is a Smyrna type, best to drop the name Pastilliere and quit adding to the Varietal confusion.

kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Seattle Fruit Show, Saturday October 8, 2016 Replies: 5
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Last reminder about the Fruit Show this Saturday.

kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Seattle Fruit Show, Saturday October 8, 2016 Replies: 5
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Just a quick reminder about the October 8 Fruit Show for those who haven't seen the post yet.

I picked my first Main Crop "Vashon Violet" (Brunswick) on Thursday.  This is only the second year since planting the tree in 2001 that it has started to ripen some Main Crop Figs.

Yesterday I had to put plastic clamshells over some of the remaining Figs as the critters have decimated about 5 of them this week!  If the critters leave them alone and don't get all of the Lattarulas, I should have a few of both varieties for display at the Fruit Show.

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Figs ID help Replies: 5
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jdsfrance said:

"You're in Zone8, so "though the second crops seldom ripen" would be translated to "it is a San Pedro type"... But it is just a guess . Do they fall out, or just stay small and never ripen ?"

Not so!  Here in the Pacific Northwet (as vanfigs is about 180km or more north of me), the Main Crop of most varieties rarely ripens except in abnormally warm years.  USDA Zones are only measures of Winter low temperatures and have nothing to do with whether Figs will ripen or not.  The Fig shown in this post isn't in the Desert King group.

Happy Growing,   kiwibob

Subject: Breba formation? Replies: 17
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Picture is worth 1,000 words!

Some times in warmer years here in Seattle next year's Brebas already show as tiny bumps on this year's wood but in cooler years those bumps may not be visible until next Spring.  We are having a much warmer than normal year in 2016 so we are getting some Main Crop Figs starting to ripen.

Desert King double buds above leaf petiole on current wood.  One bud may be for vegetative growth rather than next year's Brebas.

Desert King Main Crop Fig (won't ripen due to no Fig Wasps here, and wouldn't ripen even if we had the Fig Wasps due to lack of heat so I pick them off when the tree goes dormant as they will mummify and get moldy over Winter), and bump for next year's Breba above next leaf petiole.

Gillette caprifig with extremely rare late Fig that won't ripen due to lack of heat (so I will remove it during dormancy this Winter), and bump that should be for next year's Profichi Crop at lower leaf petiole.

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Seattle Fruit Show, Saturday October 8, 2016 Replies: 5
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Fig Friends,

Seattle Tree Fruit Society will be having a Fruit Show as part of the October 8 STFS Meeting.  The Meeting will be held at the "Brig" at Magnuson Park in Seattle from 10:00am-Noon.  It is open to the Public.

Since we are having a warmer than normal growing season this year, some Fig varieties that don't normally ripen their Main Crop might surprise us with a few Figs next month.  If you live in the Puget Sound Region and any of your Figs are ready to ripen around October 8, please consider coming to the Fruit Show and bring a few ripe (or near-ripe) samples along with a leaf of the dominant shape for those varieties to exhibit in the display.  Please send me an e-mail and let me know if you can exhibit some Main Crop Figs at the Fruit Show.

I picked my first two Main Crop Lattarulas on Tuesday, 6 more on Wednesday, and 11 on Thursday.  If the Lattarulas last and the critters don't get the Figs, I should have Lattarula and Vashon Violet (aka Brunswick), and possibly one or two more varieties for the display.  Hopefully other local F4F Members will be able to add to the display.

Happy Growing,   kiwibob

Subject: Is Gene's Vashon Violet the same as Brunswick? Replies: 4
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NO!  Ben mistakenly added the word "Violet" to "Gene's Vashon" (which is an unknown variety).  "Vashon Violet" is a "Brunswick".  In 2014 I started calling "Gene's Vashon" by the name "Quartermaster" but no matter what we name a Fig variety, there will always be confusion.

Happy Growing,   kiwibob

Subject: Beall Fig Cuttings for you? Replies: 9
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You might want to verify if you really have Beall as your leaves don't match those on the F4F Variety page and look nothing like what I have in my collection as "Beall".  Can you post photos of the fruit and identify if they are Breba or Main crop?

kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Mail cuttings from Italy ?? Replies: 13
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Best to get Fig trees from Bass (a Forum Member in PA).  See his "Trees of Joy" website.

If your relative sends you cuttings, they will need to get a Phytosanitary Certificate to mail them to the USA, and there may be a quarantine period of up to two years where you will have no access to the material!  If you try to go around the Import restrictions, you will be visited by a USDA Inspector who will confiscate the material and destroy it, all for good cause to avoid unwittingly introducing pests or diseases.

kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Is this Pied de Boeuf? Replies: 2
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Bump with edited title.

Subject: Is this Pied de Boeuf? Replies: 2
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Does anyone have good photos of Pied de Boeuf Brebas & leaves?

I was given a tree in a gallon pot in 2012 that ripened its first and only Breba on August 16.  This is a composite photo of the Breba with a typical 5-lobed leaf (there are also 3-lobed leaves), laying on a 12" x 12" Travertine tile floor (this image is about 14" square): 

The typical leaf is huge, much larger than any other variety in my collection so it is too big to fit on the single 12" x 12" stone tile that I use for all of the Fig/leaf photos posted on my website.

This is what Ira Condit said in 1955 about Pied de Boeuf in "Fig Varieties: A Monograph" (downloadable as a PDF from my website):

"Pied de Boeuf. Described by La Brousse (1774), Hogg (1866), Barron (1891), and Eisen (1888, 1901). La Brousse gave a disparaging opinion of the fresh-fruit qualities of Pied de Boeuf, but found it very good dried at Antibes, France. The other descriptions leave one in doubt as to the specific crop, but it is probable that both Hogg and Barron have considered the breba crop only, as a second crop of figs is not commonly produced in England. The slight attention given to this variety by horticultural writers is likely due to the fact that second-crop figs mostly drop unless caprification-is practiced. The late Leroy Nickel, of Menlo Park, California, obtained cuttings of Pied de Boeuf from England, and donated wood for the Riverside collection in 1927. Since that time it has proved to be a promising variety for fresh fruit brebas and for caprified figs of the main crop. Its behavior at Riverside has been better than in the cooler climate of Los Angeles. Tree and fruit characters are very much like those of Drap d’Or, but the two are regarded in this publication as distinct varieties.

Pied de Boeuf trees are slow-growing and densely branched, with terminal buds green in color. Leaves medium, somewhat glossy above, mostly 5-lobed, the middle lobe broadly spatulate; upper sinuses of medium depth and width, lower sinuses shallow, basal sinuses narrow; base cordate; margins coarsely crenate. The following description is based on notes made of figs produced during fourteen fruiting seasons.

Breba crop fair to good; figs oblique-pyriform; size large, up to 2-1/4 inches in diameter and 3-1/2 inches in length; average weight 79 grams; neck prominent, often curved, and up to 1 inch long; stalk slender, 1/2 to 1 inch long; ribs very prominent, the surface of the fruit therefore corrugated; eye above medium, scales rose to violetbrown; skin tender, waxy or glossy in appearance, with bloom fairly prominent; white flecks scattered, more or less concealed by body coloration; color Hessian brown, shading to green or light brown on neck; meat white, tinged with pink; pulp light strawberry, slightly hollow at the center, texture rather coarse; quality good. Excellent in appearance, but not well adapted to fresh-fruit shipping on account of tender skin and ribbed surface. (Plate 23, A.)

Second-crop caprified figs oblique-pyriform, above medium to large, up to 2 inches broad and 3 inches long; neck short and thick, or up to 1 inch long; average weight 63 grams; stalk slender, often curved, up to 1 inch long, sometimes enlarged or swollen toward the apex; ribs elevated, prominent; white flecks scattered, fairly conspicuous; eye large, open, scales violet; skin somewhat glossy, tender checking at maturity; color chocolate brown to mahogany red, attractive; meat white; pulp dark strawberry; flavor rich and sweet; quality excellent.

Uncaprified figs light in weight; center hollow; pulp amber; quality poor. (Plates 9; 14, C). See also Condit (1941a, fig. 2, R)."

I question if my tree is really Pied de Boeuf as the leaves are huge rather than medium in size, pubescent rather than somewhat glossy above, the middle lobe isn't quite "broadly spatulate" compared to spatulate as I have seen it defined in other Fig publications, and there is NO "bloom" at all on the Fig unlike all the Pied de Boeuf Fig photos I have seen on this Forum.  The light areas on the whole Fig at upper right are reflections from the glossy skin, not "bloom".

If you have good photos of Pied de Boeuf Brebas & leaves, please post them.

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

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Subject: Visitors Welcome and ... Replies: 1
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Since my Breba crop is just a few days from ending this year, I want to extend an invitation for Seattle area Forum Members to come over for a Fig Tasting around 7:15pm tonight or tomorrow, so if you are interested please send me an e-mail before 5pm or call if you have my phone number.  Perhaps a Fig Pizza after the Tasting at the local Flying Squirrel Pizza Parlor?

While out picking this morning, I had two welcome visitors and caught this one on my camera :)



A female Anna's Hummingbird :)

Since picking last night I was also visited by another guest who left this for me:


I think the hole all the way through this Desert King is in case a quick exit was necessary ;)

Can't win them all!   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Today's picks Replies: 11
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August 11 picks but I had to discard about 12 Gillette and 3 Desert Kings due to bird pecking:
Top half greens = Gillette, bottom half l to r; 3 Violetta, a malformed Petit Negri with Desert King below, 2 Vashon Violet (Brunswick).

Anyone in the Seattle area interested in doing a Taste Test by next Monday please send me an e-mail.  Profichi & Breba season should be over by next Wednesday!

Enjoy,   kiwibob

Subject: Today's picks Replies: 11
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Gillette = Croisic.  I live in Seattle where Mamme & Mammoni Caprifigs rarely if ever form and never ripen.  Don't know about the stalks as I don't require that kind of "high fiber" diet ;)

August 8 picks:
Medium colored top = Tilbury's Turkey, 3 below middle = Vashon Violet (Brunswick), 2 at bottom = Violetta, darker greens in top half = Desert King, lighter greens in bottom half = Gillette.

August 9 picks:
Light greens left half = Gillette, top medium colored = Vashon Violet (Brunswick), darker greens right half = Desert King, bottom medium colored = Violetta.

August 10 picks shared with F4F Member Seattle Purple this afternoon:
Top light green = Gillette, middle row l to r; Violetta, Vashon Violet (Brunswick), 3 Tilbury's Turkey, bottom 2 dark green = Desert King, right medium colored with curved neck = Dan's Favorite.

Sliced Figs in same order as above with one Tilbury's Turkey missing.  Note the white meat near the Gillette eye isn't ripe yet but translucent white meat above is ripe.  This is typical of how Gillette ripens.

All are Brebas except Gillette are Profichi's.

Drooling allowed ;)   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Today's picks Replies: 11
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No, our Temperate Maritime climate here in the Pacific Northwet doesn't help the Breba Crop although it may affect Gillette's Profichi Crop.  What you see as an abundance of Brebas is the result of selecting Varieties that tend to produce a good Breba Crop.  We do that and prune to encourage Breba production because we don't get enough heat during the growing season to ripen the Main Crop in most years!  Most of the Main Crop Figs shown on my website with the exception of Lattarula (which often ripens some of the Main Crop most years) are the result of unusually hot years here!

These are my August 6 picks with Gillette at lower left, Desert King at lower right and with the medium colored Figs:

Here are the photos of yesterday's Fig Tasting with Chryssa.
Top row l to r: 2 Violetta, 2 Chryssa's Unknown
Middle row l to r: Dan's Favorite, 2 Vashon Violet (Brunswick), Vancouver, Walla Walla (Brunswick)
Bottom row l to r: Gillette (not quite ripe), Tilbury's Turkey (not properly developed, small and not as ripe as it should be), 2 Desert King

Sliced Figs in same order as above.  Note that if Gillette was fully ripe, the white meat near the eye would be translucent like the meat in the upper part of the Fig:

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Disappointing Crop Please Advise Replies: 17
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Thanks for stopping by yesterday, having a great Fig Tasting, and enduring my "Fig education class".  On your next visit, we will do the "Kiwi education class" and taste any Figs remaining then.

This is a Breba Fig/Leaf photo of Chryssa's Unknown for anyone on the Forum to try to identify:

It isn't Vashon Violet (Brunswick) as Jon thought it might possibly be, completely different leaf shape and interior color.

Photos from the Fig Tasting can be found on my Today's Picks post.

Enjoy,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Disappointing Crop Please Advise Replies: 17
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Welcome to the Forum.

I just sent you an e-mail.  If you can stop by my place in NE Seattle today or early this week, I'll be happy to have you taste-test the Figs that are ripe and give you plants of Desert King and other suitable varieties.

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Today's picks Replies: 11
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August 3, 2016 pickings on a 30.5 x 30.5 cm stone tile (12" x12"), all are Brebas except Gillette which is Profichi:  top row all Desert King;  middle row l-r: Vancouver, 2 Vashon Violet (Brunswick) the large one at center weighs about 105g, Tilbury's Turkey (pecked), Walla Walla (most likely Brunswick);  bottom row(s) all Gillette.


So far I'm ahead of the critter wars with the exception of Lattarula which is done with its Brebas for the year thanks mostly to the Raccoons.  Protecting some of the Figs has been by plastic "clamshells", and sealable plastic bags (not good due to moisture retention!) when I ran out of the clamshells.



I can't eat all the Figs so any Forum Members in the Seattle area that want to join a Fig tasting, 7pm Thursday August 4 at my place, please send me an e-mail (no PM's) for directions.

Good Eats,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Today's picks Replies: 11
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More pickings from the last two days, all are Breba Crop except Gillette is Profichi Crop:

August 1, 2016:  clockwise from top; 11 Gillette, Vashon Violet (Brunswick), 2 Desert King, Lattarula, Negronne.


August 2, 2016:  clockwise from top; 2 Vancouver, 2 Negronne, all green figs are Gillette, 4 Vashon Violet (Brunswick) at bottom.


Served at last night's Block Party:  clockwise from top; Gillette, Desert King slices with strawberry colored pulp, Lattarula slices with honey colored pulp, 5 slices of Vashon Violet (Brunswick), 3 slices of Negronne, 3 slices of Vancouver at left.


Enjoy,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: O.T. Possible Kiwifruit plant disease AYLS Replies: 6
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I added the photos to my initial post July 31, 2016.  Again, if you grow any of the Actinidia species, please take the time to visit the AYLS Blog/Site:  and file a Report on the form available on the Site.

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Dark vs. light - figs that is Replies: 20
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Is it true the lighter figs are less prone to critters?

Complete myth!

Starling damage on Gillette in August 2010

Raccoons stripped ALL unripe Brebas from this Lattarula limb night of July 20, 2016

Happy Growing & dispense with the Myths!,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Today's picks Replies: 11
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Top row L-R:  Seattle Purple Unknown, Gene's Vashon, 2 Marlow.  Bottom row: 3 Lattarula.
All are of Breba Crop on a 30.5cm x 30.5cm (12"x12") stone tile.

I found it interesting that both Gene's Vashon & Marlow have an "oblique pyriform" shape but the eyes are oblique in opposite directions!

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle
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Subject: O.T. Possible Kiwifruit plant disease AYLS Replies: 6
Posted By: kiwibob Views: 156

Thanks for bumping this post.  Unfortunately your info that you filled out on the Blog never made it to me.

Many, many more Reports are still needed so I hope everyone on this Forum who grows Actinidia vines, especially Hardy Kiwifruit will take the time to Report via the form at:

Thanks,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: O.T. Possible Kiwifruit plant disease AYLS Replies: 6
Posted By: kiwibob Views: 156

Subject: O.T. Possible Kiwifruit plant disease AYLS Replies: 6
Posted By: kiwibob Views: 156
All Forum Members and Visitors,

If you grow Kiwis, especially Hardy Kiwis, please visit the AYLS Blog/Site:
and fill out a Report form.  A few Reports have been trickling in recently but we really need to know where AYLS is ABSENT as well as PRESENT to assist in finding the cause!

Your cooperation is much appreciated.

kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: USDA Zone Replies: 15
Posted By: kiwibob Views: 288

I obtained the Brunswick (which I call Vashon Violet) cutting in August 1997 and rooted it, planted it in the ground in 2001, and got my first Breba in August 2003.  It isn't a very productive tree for quantity of Brebas but their size (my largest so far was 190 grams) and flavor here in Seattle make up for the lack of quantity.

kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Brogiotto Bianco NOT pics Replies: 8
Posted By: kiwibob Views: 156
Ira Condit lists Moscatel Preto as a Common Type Fig not needing Caprification:

Moscatel Preto (syn. Bêbera). Described and illustrated by Bobone (1932). Known as
Moscatel Preto at Coimbra, and Bêbera at Cacela and on the island of Madeira.
The tree produces two crops. Mello Leotte (1901), on the other hand, described
Bêbera as a variety which does not produce a first crop, and the second crop as
requiring caprification.
Brebas oblique-pyriform, sometimes much elongated; neck thick; stalk short; color
violet-black; pulp dark carmine, streaked with violet; flavor sweet and agreeable.
Second-crop figs pyriform, elongated specimens unusual in having the internal cavity
narrowed at the base rather than rounded; stalk short; color green toward the stalk,
violet on the body; surface smooth, puberulent; pulp carmine; texture fine; quality

Download the PDF of Condit's "Fig Varieties: A Monograph" from my website.  It should be required reading for everybody on this Forum!

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Re Kadota Fig Tree Replies: 24
Posted By: kiwibob Views: 625

In my opinion, Kadota shouldn't be grown north of Oregon if not north of California as it needs more heat than we get in the Pacific Northwet!  Paully might have another opinion relative to your climate.

kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: O.T. Possible Kiwifruit plant disease AYLS Replies: 6
Posted By: kiwibob Views: 156

Subject: USDA Zone Replies: 15
Posted By: kiwibob Views: 288

Figs are deciduous and need to be allowed to go dormant over the Winter.

Find your location on one of the Hardiness Zone maps and that will give you some guidance whether you will need to protect your trees from Winter freeze-out or if your Climate is OK to go without Winter protection.

Brunswick produces the largest, best tasting Brebas in my collection of over 30 varieties here in Seattle when they ripen properly.  Gorgi tells me that in New Jersey the Brunswick Brebas aren't fit for birds to eat, which is apparently a response to his humid climate during the growing season!  During the 15 years since I planted Brunswick in the ground, it has only ripened 4 Main Crop Figs (in 2014) due to our lack of heat during the growing season.  Most varieties in my collection don't ripen their Main Crop here in a normal year.

kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: Is this a brown turkey fig? Replies: 10
Posted By: kiwibob Views: 190
Read Ira Condit's "Fig Varieties: A Monograph" (available as a downloadable PDF on my website).  Those spots are what he calls "white flecks" and occur on many, many Varieties!

The PDF should be mandatory reading for everyone on this Forum.

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle

Subject: O.T. Possible Kiwifruit plant disease AYLS Replies: 6
Posted By: kiwibob Views: 156
Actinidia Friends,

I recently posted some new photos and an update on the AYLS (Actinidia Yellow Leaf Spot) Blog/Site.

Reports thus far in July from France and British Columbia, Canada have shown that AYLS is PRESENT in more locations than previously acknowledged.  If you grow any of the Actinidia species, please look carefully at your plants and file a Report using the Form on the AYLS Blog/Site:

Actinidia arguta with AYLS, Mason County, Washington.  Added to this post July 31, 2016


Actinidia arguta with AYLS, Whatcom County, Washington.  Added to this post July 31, 2016


If you grow Kiwifruit or any of the other Actinidia species (especially Hardy Kiwis where AYLS shows best), there are three things you can do to help find the cause:

1.  Visit the Blog/Site  and sign up to "Follow" it so you get automatic e-mail notification of new posts (only two thus far this year).
2.  Let all of your Actinidia growing friends know about the Blog/Site so we reach out beyond my own Kiwifruit contacts list.
3.  If you belong to NAFEX, CRFG, Home Orchard Society, or any other Fruit Growing Organization, write a quick note or article for publication in their Newsletter or on their Bulletin Board to increase knowledge and awareness about AYLS.

Happy Growing,   kiwibob

Please DO NOT reply to this post so we don't clutter the Figs 4 Fun Forum.  I will "bump" this post periodically.

Subject: USDA Zone Replies: 15
Posted By: kiwibob Views: 288
Try this link:  or an Internet search for USDA Hardiness zones in Europe.  Also check with the other German members on this forum including Feigenbaum.

Here in Seattle, the USDA Zone is irrelevant as our problem isn't Winter Hardiness but lack of heat during the growing season.  Brunswick is probably the most Winter freeze tolerant variety I grow.

kiwibob, Seattle WA

Subject: Dan's Favorite breba Replies: 10
Posted By: kiwibob Views: 419
So what we have is

Dan's Favorite = Denny's Delight = Dan's Pride = Madeleine des Deux Saisons


I have my doubts about the claim that anything but Dan's Favorite = Dan's Pride!  With both a green and a brown version of Danny's Delight (Danny's Delite), and different descriptions of Madeleine & Madeleine des Deux Saisons by Condit and on the web respectively, there is nothing to substantiate the claim they are the same as Dan's Favorite.  In Malli's genetic testing of the UC Davis - Wolfskill collection (see FigLink1110 ) there is no reference to Madeleine or Madeleine des Deux Saisons being in the collection.

Picture is worth 1,000 words.  It's time for people with any of these Figs in their collection to provide some photographs of whole & sliced Brebas or Main Crop Figs with a leaf of the dominant leaf pattern so we can see if there is any validity to the claims.  Please note with your photographs if you are showing the Breba or the Main Crop.

Happy Growing,   kiwibob, Seattle


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