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Subject: I'm Steamed this Morning!!!! Replies: 15
Posted By: jenia Views: 920
 
I have more shipping nightmare stores that will fit here.  Bottom line:
The service you get from any carrier varies dramatically by area.  UPS is the absolute best in my area.  Problem with Fedex is that the delivery people are "independant contractors" so they have little accountability.  I have had HUGE problems with them delivering letters and leaving it in a doorway because the recipient allegedly have a "release on file"...but really don't.  Local idiots from DHL left a computer sitting at the end of my 300 foot driveway because there was a 2' patch of ice.  UPS brought it up the driveway and delivered it after nearly running over it.  With 20+ years of experience, I have to say that UPS is awesome in my very rural area.

It's the luck of the draw.


Subject: Heavy Pruning and Espaliering... Fig Experts, Please Explain... Replies: 22
Posted By: jenia Views: 1,719
 
Sorry, Vickie, didn't meant to post the hydroponic links.  Here is what I had intended to post from Ingevald.  There is some amazing material here.

C.J.
"                        
I did some research on the Japanese method of fig cultivation this past summer and thought that you might be interested in seeing some amazing photos from a variety of Japanese sites.    As many of you might be aware, some of the best information in English about the Japanese methods can be found on the Hawaii Fruit website.  http://www.hawaiifruit.net/index-figs.html   Go to the bottom of the page under the section "Figs (Ichijiku) in Japan" and check out each of the links fully.  There are some writings and lots of pictures.   On this page which is located in the above link, make sure you explore all of the photo links buried within - http://www.hawaiifruit.net/Figs-Japan.htm 

    Below are some very interesting links filled with photos and some text regarding the Japanese methods.  You can run the sites through Google Translator and you will get an idea about what is being discussed.    I did not include any of the technical papers that I found since some of them can't be translated easily because they were simply a "photo" in pdf form and the text could not be extracted for translation.    
 
http://sugimecha.exblog.jp/3320779/
http://www.shermantoys.com/502855.html  (incredible fig producer site)
http://itijikusanshu.blog26.fc2.com/blog-category-5.html  (this is a larger blog - many pages associated with it, some photos, etc)

  So, there you have it - fig culture in another part of the world.   The beautifully pruned plants are an amazing sight.  Everything is tidy and efficient.

Ingevald"



Subject: Heavy Pruning and Espaliering... Fig Experts, Please Explain... Replies: 22
Posted By: jenia Views: 1,719
 
Vray,

Here is the thread  http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=4398968
It has some awesome informaiton in it.  You will to put the links into babelfish.  Babelfish works better on Japanese that translate.google.com

C.J.

Subject: Heavy Pruning and Espaliering... Fig Experts, Please Explain... Replies: 22
Posted By: jenia Views: 1,719
 
Yes, I had seen (and copied) the illustration from the Japanese site that Ingevald had posted recently.  It REALLY excited me as a way to possibly plant trees in-ground in my frosty zone5B and give them more substantial protection than I could achieve with standard "tree" or even "bush" forms.  Space isn't so much of a problem for me as cold (down to -18 F once) and varmints.   I'm still at the drawing board and have a couple of years before I will have much/anything old enough to plant in-ground.

C.J.


Subject: I'm Steamed this Morning!!!! Replies: 15
Posted By: jenia Views: 920
 
Ox,

1.  Do you have a release on file with UPS that allows them to leave things?
2.  I had cuttings stuck in a USPS truck over the weekend in -5 F weather and they are still viable. <sigh of relief>
3.  Contact the sender pronto and have them file a claim.
4.  Were you using the UPS website to track the shipment?  If so, do a refresh and reenter the tracking number.  I have had problems in the past because the computer memory cache had an old number that HAD been delivered weeks before.  I went crazy.

Hope your cuttings turn up safely.

C.J.


Subject: Heavy Pruning and Espaliering... Fig Experts, Please Explain... Replies: 22
Posted By: jenia Views: 1,719
 
One thing that has intrigued me about the photos that Vickie/Ingevald posted is how intensively planted those fig trees are.  The photos show what appears to be a "raised bed" system with trees spaced at what looks like about 5 foot intervals.  With about 6 feet between the rows.  Does anyone have any information or opinions on this?

I started around 100 cutting with and eye to putting many of them in-ground in 2 years, utilizing the Japanese method so that I can protect them more easily.  I would love to hear about anyone else using the same or a similar approach.

C.J.


Subject: Cuttings List posted 10:00 PST today Replies: 62
Posted By: jenia Views: 3,973
 
As computer geeks are fond of saying, we have to "RTFM".  I had to re-do my order 3 times.  Every time I re-read the instructions, I discovered something else I had done wrong.  First I put everything in alpha order by variety. Then I organized everything by pricing codes.  Then I realized I had overlooked the quantity limitations on the "E" and "Z" varieties.  If I do get any cuttings, I/m sure Jon is going to tack on a nuisance fee.

Jon,
Godiva?  Dagoba? Solid chocolate?  Filled centers? Something else?

Rafed and Diesler,
Avoiding detection by the spouse can be improved if you:
1.  Carefully coordinate shipping with the provider of the fig stuff;
2.  Have stuff delivered to a neighbor; or
3.  Have your mail held at the Post Office if you know a LOT of stuff is coming in. ("Gee, Honey,looks like we didn't get any mail today.")
4.  Take a long drive to pick it up.
The best one was when I picked up a 7' tree from ejp3 last year, dragged it out of the car and onto the deck in the dead of night (into the midst of a LOT of other pots)  and convinced the spouse that one of mine had had a "growth spurt".  No, I don't feel guilty.  Well,... maybe a little.

C.J.


Subject: Planning a fig growers meeting Replies: 51
Posted By: jenia Views: 2,427
 
Rafed,  if someone doesn't sign up first, I think you can park and 18-wheeler at exit 18 on the NYS Thruway...or somewhere in between.  We could pick you up and drop you off.

Bill's isn't particularly truck-friendly.  Don't know about Bass's place.

C.J.


Subject: Planning a fig growers meeting Replies: 51
Posted By: jenia Views: 2,427
 
Now that I think about it, I could always tie someone to the roof rack. ;-)  It's been done before.  Honest!

C.J.


Subject: Planning a fig growers meeting Replies: 51
Posted By: jenia Views: 2,427
 
Nas,

If you can get as far as exit 18 on the NYS Thruway (New Paltz/ Poughkeepsie), I still have space for at least 1 and maybe 2 more Kanuks.  Marjo has tentatively booked a space with me and possibly Nelson.  There is a pretty decent park-and-ride lot just outside of the exit where I could meet you and where you can leave your car.  You could nap down and back.

Obviously, people may change there mind...several times...between now and then, and I could have more space but there must be a way we can relay/shuttle people from long distances.

C.J.


Subject: OT before moving to the South Replies: 8
Posted By: jenia Views: 748
 
That is great!  I really needed that sitting here staring at the snow.

C.J.


Subject: Planning a fig growers meeting Replies: 51
Posted By: jenia Views: 2,427
 
Oh...THAT kind of "fig" meeting.  Duh.

I am pretty sure that local law enforcement will have little interest in THIS group as long as they have their glasses on and take a good look at the leaf formation on any plants in the vicinity.

C.J.


Subject: Planning a fig growers meeting Replies: 51
Posted By: jenia Views: 2,427
 
Sal,

Can you explain??????
C.J.


Subject: Planning a fig growers meeting Replies: 51
Posted By: jenia Views: 2,427
 
Bass,

I like the idea of a plant auction to raise money for Jon's ticket.  Bass, can you be the central point for that?  How would you handle that?  Auction under your name and then everyone ships the plants from their own location?

Out of what airport would he be flying?  San Diego?  Just checked the fares for San Diego/JFK  - Friday Departure/Monday return and it is currently $354.  Have no idea what kind of itinerary he would prefer so it was just a stab in the dark.

Then there is the question of accommodations.  How many NY area people are going to be fighting over who gets to put him up. <g>  We could raffle him off!

Details, details, details.

C.J.


Subject: Planning a fig growers meeting Replies: 51
Posted By: jenia Views: 2,427
 
Anywhere.  Any time.  Just send me the details and I am there.  If anyone from further north isn't up for a 6+ hour drive, I can transport 3 from the Catskills south if you want to carpool.  Just don't bring (or buy/trade) too many plants.

What about food?  It is going to be a long day for most of us.  Can we get Bass or Bill to let us poach the barbie if we bring charcoal and food?  And beverages?

C.J.


Subject: Who have you already met? Replies: 86
Posted By: jenia Views: 5,486
 
I REALLY like the fig summit idea.

Bass has nixed prime fig season as the time and has suggeseted a garden location (that is sensible since probably very few want a hoard of marauding figheads loose in their fig patch).  Anyone have any more specific ideas for a date and location?  May?  June?  NJ?  PA?  NY?  Brooklyn Botanical Garden?  Central Park? New Jersey Botanical Garden?  Other?

C.J.


Subject: Who have you already met? Replies: 86
Posted By: jenia Views: 5,486
 
Bass,

Exactly the point.  We would all like to "help" pick figs.  I'm not going to say what we'll do with them once we pick them. ;-)  We could start with yours.

C.J.


Subject: Who have you already met? Replies: 86
Posted By: jenia Views: 5,486
 
So far, we have suggestions for the Northeast, Southwest and Northwest.  Sounds like you will need to plan SEVERAL fig summits.  Maybe you could scheduled them at intervals to coincide with the average ripening date of the  main crop for each area...especially if it is near a fig farm.

C.J.


Subject: Cuttings, soon. Replies: 33
Posted By: jenia Views: 2,243
 
Rafed,

Wouldn't we all.  I've been after one since last year.

 "Just one more."

C.J.


Subject: Brrrr its Freezing Replies: 16
Posted By: jenia Views: 982
 
It is -1 F at the moment, up from -5 F when I got up this morning.  Thank goodness for the distraction of cuttings.  They keep me from pacing around the dormant fig trees in the basement.  I just don't quite know what I'm going to do next winter if all of these cuttings survive.  Time to expand.

C.J.


Subject: Who have you already met? Replies: 86
Posted By: jenia Views: 5,486
 
I forgot to mention that I have spoken on the phone with Bass who was EXTREMELY patient and helpful.

C.J.

Subject: Who have you already met? Replies: 86
Posted By: jenia Views: 5,486
 
Bass, the Northeast fig gathering is a GREAT idea.  I would love to attend if you can put a gathering together.

I've only met ep3 (Ed) and Bill of Bill's figs but feel like I "know" many of you.  Hopefully, I'll get to meet many more of you this year.

Little John, please send me the details of the Buffalo fig swap.  I don't want to miss THAT.

C.J.


Subject: Book - Under the Fig Leaf - recipes Replies: 4
Posted By: jenia Views: 981
 
<ahem!>
Dearest Ingevald,

Ever on the lookout for a buy, I went looking for a used copy of "Under the Fig Leaf" on Ebay, only to discover that there is ANOTHER book of the same name that predates that of Sherri Parker Lee's book by  several years (1999).  For the record, it has NOTHING to do with cuisine.  Caveat emptor.

C.J.


Subject: Splitting Replies: 5
Posted By: jenia Views: 676
 
If you talk to Bill, that IS one positive aspect of his bottom-watering system that he mentions.  The only downsides are the cost of the set up and the necessity to water the reservoir constantly.  His trees are HUGE.

C.J.


Subject: UPM vs Miracle Gro Replies: 23
Posted By: jenia Views: 2,286
 
Leon,  Thanks for the tip on Pro-Mix.  Good to know that it is an acceptable substitues as it is readily available around here.  I use it for my cointainer-planted veggies  and flower on the deck.  Now all I have to do is find coarse perlite.

C.J.


Subject: UPM vs Miracle Gro Replies: 23
Posted By: jenia Views: 2,286
 
You guys are killing me.   Just this week I set off on my find-UPM quest again.  I used the "Find a dealer" function on the Fertilome website and it gave me about 10 "dealers" in a 100 mile radius, mostly in NY, a few in NJ, and one in CT.  I called each one of them and when I said that the Fertilome website identified them as a Fertilome dealer, the answer in each case was "huh?'  Finally, an Agway manager explained that it is probably one of their suppliers who handles Fertilome.

As you might guess, NONE of the "dealers" carries UPM...or any other Fertilome product.  The Agway guy is going to get back to me about his ability to special order UPM.   None of the others would even talk to me about it.

If he comes through, I'll will post something here for those in the NY/NJ/CT area whom I know are also looking for the stuff.

C.J.


Subject: Rabbit damage Replies: 26
Posted By: jenia Views: 3,870
 
Ingevald, I feel for you.  Can't tell you how many persimmon and cherrry trees the varmints have done in here when we have a lot of snow.  The rabbits start it and the mice finish is off.  The field mice burrow under the snow (and mulch) where you can't see them.  If the damage is below the snow line, I would be suspicious.

I would recommend that you use 1/4" rather than 1/2" just in case the field mice are also involved.  Your mention of the damage to the discarded fig branches made me wonder.  It is possible that the rabbits hung out there and tried a bit, but...Mice will chew ANYTHING for bedding.  In my area, they have chewed bars of soap, clothing, books, and hundreds of feed of plastic insulation from the  electrical wiring in my house.   It is a bloody miracle that the whole place didn't burn down.  When I rewired the house I put hardware cloth inside all of the walls...and got cats.

One more suggestion about the hardware cloth.  I would make sure there is no gap at the top or the bottom where mice could squeeze in.  I swear that they have no bones.

Hardware cloth is YOUR friend.  That and a shotgun...and dogs...and cats (who also like bunnies and squirrels)...and poison...and a flamethrower...and punji...and anything else lethal you can think of.


Subject: Japanese Longhorn Beetle Replies: 2
Posted By: jenia Views: 707
 
I went looking for a description of the climate in the areas that Japanese figs are grown and found this rather disturbing piece concerning the Japanese Longhorn Beetle which has been moving up the U.S. East Coast for the past few years.

On which plants: P. hilaris attacks plant belonging to the Moraceae family, in particular Ficus (including fig trees, F. carica) and Morus spp. (mulberries).

The full post is here. http://www.eppo.org/QUARANTINE/Alert_List/insects/psacothea_hilaris.htm

I thought they "just" liked hardwoods such as oak.  And we were worrying about fig mosaic virus.

C.J.


Subject: Unknown cuttings: "Hobart", "Schuyler", "Voiture #217" Replies: 97
Posted By: jenia Views: 5,971
 
Satellitehead,

I'd love to try them if you have enough cuttings to go around.

C.J.


Subject: Shirazi Figs Replies: 15
Posted By: jenia Views: 3,799
 
Gorgi,

Please don't give up with your Shirazi seedlings.  I am seriously interested n trying to pollinate some caprifigs.  Now actually DOING it is another matter.  I will need a much beter greenhouse than the lousy little thing I have right now.

C.J.


Subject: USDA / UC Davis Fig Mosaic Virus Study Replies: 8
Posted By: jenia Views: 8,115
 
I purchased 6 plants from Edible Landscapes in 2008.  5 were clearly infected.  The 6th was Hardy Chicago which is apparently FMV resistant anyway.

C.J.


Subject: Shirazi Figs Replies: 15
Posted By: jenia Views: 3,799
 
Gorgi and Ingevald,

Thank you for sharing the information on the "white Iranian figs".  Now I can tell my friends why they are so hard to find...and where to get them,

Ingevald,

I read your GW FF thread.  I have the book "Fig Heaven" in case there is anything in particular you want to know about it and haven't  already acquired it.  I bought it from Amazon.com.

Is it possible to do with capri wasps what gardeners do with lady bugs, i.e., buy them and introduce them to a garden for a season?  That assumes, of course, that there is someone who would be willing to raise them on a small scale and sell them for less than a kings ransom.

C.J.


Subject: How large is your harvest? Replies: 2
Posted By: jenia Views: 614
 
There are numerous references on both forums to many difficulties with fig crops such as souring/splitting, varmints (including kids), and failure to ripen.  That led me to wonder what an average harvest is for most of you.

1.  Of the fruit that sets on your trees, what percentage do you manage to harvest?

2.  What percentage is lost to each or the elements listed above, i.e., souring/splitting, fruit drop, varmints (including kids) and failure to ripen?

3.  Do you harvest enough to satisfy out-of-hand eating and still have fruit left over to store in some fashion?

4.  If the answer to #3 is yes, how large is your immediate family, how many trees do you have, and how many pounds do you harvest on average?  What is the high/low range in pounds?

5.  What is the average age of most of your trees.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Thanks.

C.J.



Subject: Figs and leftovers? Replies: 4
Posted By: jenia Views: 594
 
Ox,

I haven't heard the term "foundered" in years.  Pretty funny.

Thank you for sharing a glimpse of your family Thanksgiving.  It is a wonderful thing that you have such moments.  Sharing food is one of the most fundamental expressions of love and you are blessed to have those who want to share it with you.

Paully,

Are you saying that you ripen/harvest 30% of the figs that emerge?  What happens to the other 70%?  I'm going to start a new thread of harvest percentages.

Demondmh,

The fig preserve sandwich sounds like a winner.

My turkey episode was similar to your.  I ordered a 14-16 pounder, mostly for leftovers.  I brought home a 20 pounder...for 2 people, hence "the penguin" reference.

C.J.




Subject: Shirazi Figs Replies: 15
Posted By: jenia Views: 3,799
 
Gorgi,

I have a number of Indian friends who have often raved about dried "white Iranian" figs and are lamenting that they seem to be unavailable in the U.S. this year.  I've never been able to find them, so I will follow your progress with great interest.

C.J.


Subject: Which Type of Container? Replies: 18
Posted By: jenia Views: 982
 
Ox,

When you talk about "feed tubs", do you mean tubs that feed is sold in or tubs that are used to serve feed to the critters?  I'm not familiar with them.  I've seen the big black plastic tanks at Agway but I'm drawing a blank on "feed tubs".

C.J.


Subject: Figs and leftovers? Replies: 4
Posted By: jenia Views: 594
 
I'm going to come clean.  Growing figs in "interesting", but...

I am growing figs because I want to eat them.  LOTS of them.  My goal is to be able to grow more fresh figs that I can possibly eat...so that I can freeze them, can them , preserve them, dry them and anything else you can think of.

I'm looking for inspiration.  Do any of you have do anything inspired with figs and Thanksgiving leftovers?

C.J. - doing the "penguin" (lying on my stomach with my arms and legs not touching the floor.


Subject: HAPPY THANKSGIVING! Replies: 11
Posted By: jenia Views: 649
 
genecolin,

I LOVED the rhyme!  I'll remember it for next year.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone, and thank you all for sharing your knowledge!

C.J.


Subject: Which Type of Container? Replies: 18
Posted By: jenia Views: 982
 
Is it more iportant to have a deep container, a wide container, or a container of approximately the same height and depth?

C.J.


Subject: Bill's Figs-NJ Replies: 21
Posted By: jenia Views: 2,785
 
FWIW, as a fellow neophyte, my understanding is that the UC Davis collection is plagued with some substantial FMV problems and you are better off collecting from forum members who have either circumvented or overcome the FMV problem by collecting from outside sources.  On the other hand, if there are no other sources for what you are looking for, it's a no-brainer.

C.J.


Subject: Bill's Figs-NJ Replies: 21
Posted By: jenia Views: 2,785
 
If you don't already have a LOT of figs yourself, it is certainly worth the trip to see his collection and set up.  In addition, he is a really nice guy and takes a lot of time with people who visit.  He has 124 varieties but a large percentage are still young and not yet available.  He got his foundation stock from well-known sources like Encanto, Italian Fig Trees, etc.

It is great to be able to see a mature specimen of the variety that you are considering buying  (or already have) up close and personal.

Constructing a bottom-watering unit is fairly simple.  There are several websites that suggest how to construct your own.  Most of the designs are a little grotesque, but they work.  The trick is finding the right containers.

C.J.


Subject: Bill's Figs-NJ Replies: 21
Posted By: jenia Views: 2,785
 
Pete, hope you are feeling better.

I use self-watering containers (Earth Box and Grow Boxes plus a few homemade) for tomatoes, eggplants, etc., but haven't yet tried figs...mostly because I am not willing to invest that much money in housing one plant and I haven't found an inexpensive alternative that is appropriate for a large fig.

You can certainly build your own self-watering pots, but the trick is making sure that you are using food-grade plastic.  In my experience, that isn't as easy as it sounds if you are trying to house a large fig, so I would greatly appreciate any sources of fig-sized, food-grade, reasonably-priced pots that anyone might be willing to share.

You do need to water from the top periodically to flush the build-up of salts. 

I don't kow if you have visited Bill's place, but he has constructed a "hand truck" that is custom-sized for his pots and is simple to use.  It would be pretty simple to do something similar if you build your own pot models.

In defense of the cost of Bill's pots, they are built like steel and have a 25-year guarantee.  I'm just not sure that *I* will last 25 years.

C.J.


Subject: I think I got Punked !! Replies: 92
Posted By: jenia Views: 3,579
 
Nelson,

Did you ever get your cuttings?  The same seller has the same item listed on Ebay again.  There is also someone else selling 2 "giant Brooklyn White" trees.

C.J.


 

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