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Subject: Is Guilbeau the same as Hollier? Replies: 16
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,394
 
same result here. hollier is the rooting champ. if only they were all so easy :)

Subject: Is a Cold Hardy fig variety also an Early Ripening variety? Replies: 5
Posted By: papayamon Views: 943
 
i sure feel for you. as i type this, i'm eating some delicious figs off my brown turkey. i never thought i'd get a fig off this tree this year, but it's kicked into fig production overdrive and they're still growing and ripening. i hope for another month.

i can't imagine trying to grow in a truly cold climate. it's really too bad you can't breed figs like you can most plants. then you could cross cold hardiness with early yield and have the ideal plant for your location.

Subject: my first ever fig! Replies: 9
Posted By: papayamon Views: 665
 
well, one of those 2 was ripe, so i picked it.  actually tasted pretty sweet :).  it's hard to believe that they won't be bigger when the tree is more mature.  they are definitely small by the standards i see posted here.

is this a brown turkey?  the immature figs do have red eyes.

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Subject: my first ever fig! Replies: 9
Posted By: papayamon Views: 665
 
when i harvest, i'll slice and show pics of them with leaves.  then we can try to figure it out.  the green figs do have red eyes, and the eyes are closed, though i don't know if they would be if the plant was mature.  this thing is still growing vegetatively like crazy.  i'm surprised that these figs are ripening at all.   i bet they've been on the tree for 2 months at least and they're only ripening now.

it's great to get a little taste after all the work i've put in this year.

Subject: my first ever fig! Replies: 9
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that's one of the issues with this.  it grew so fast this year from a small plant that the fruits are very small and late, so maybe they aren't typical for this fig.  i'm hoping nothing gets these little figs, and i'm going to wrap them in paper and try to harvest next week.


Subject: my first ever fig! Replies: 9
Posted By: papayamon Views: 665
 
an even more basic question:  how do i know this is really a brown turkey?  i bought it as a little plant from a nursery where i stopped buying because the guy never really seemed to know what variety he was selling.  he said it was a brown turkey, but the other plants he had no idea what they were.  i bought pomegranates, and all he knew is they were pomegranates, etc

Subject: Violette Dauphine Replies: 21
Posted By: papayamon Views: 3,300
 

i got a dauphine from bass :).  hope it's the same as yours.


Subject: my first ever fig! Replies: 9
Posted By: papayamon Views: 665
 
well, the brown turkey has two figs on it that are ripening.   i don't want to pick them too early.  how far away do you think i am?

there are another 45 figs on the tree, i think i can get quite a few if we can hold off to the last of nov before a freeze.

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Subject: LSU GOLD Pics & Pot Grower Question Replies: 3
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,051
 
i would just stick them in a bigger pot and leave the roots and soil alone. but that's me. i honestly don't think it would matter much either way. it's not like they'll be outside in direct sun after you prune the roots, so the plant would have plenty of time to regenerate roots. you could certainly argue that the plant would be better off regrowing a root system in the large pot.

seeing the things pot growers (pun intended) have to go through makes me very happy i'm just stickin' em in the ground :).

Subject: my brown turkey Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 624
 
i have too much stuff to protect. i consider that next year i'll start with a huge root system and i'm hoping it hits 10 feet. i can assure you i'll be pouring on the fertilizer :) and the drip will keep it growing.

i don't have a problem because you typically get the 2nd crop here. this was just so little when i started and it's been in grow mode more than fig mode. i bet i get another 6 to 8 inches before the first frost :).

Subject: question Replies: 8
Posted By: papayamon Views: 573
 
it is unfathomable to me how anyone could have any conflicts here that are so serious one would quit coming. this is such a great forum and everyone here is way cool. i just don't get it.

Subject: my brown turkey Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 624
 
this is today's pic. it's now got over 50 figs on it. i'm still hoping to taste on this year, but i've got my doubts on whether they'll actually ripen :). decent growth for 20 days since the last pic. i can't wait till all my figs are this size, i'm hoping next year. this was about the size of my natalina when i put it out last year.

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Subject: here we go planting natalina :). Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 928
 
no matter what, i ain't worried. if it does die, i'm sure george will be selling another one next year :).

Subject: here we go planting natalina :). Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 928
 
had an initial episode of transplant shock, worse than usual. thought it was going to die on me, so i broke out the shadecloth and gave it a break from the sun for a for a week.

it found its legs, and now it looks like we're off to the races. the unfortunate thing is that winter in right around the corner :(. my strategy is all out growth for a root system that survives the winter. :). next year this thing will kick butt!

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Subject: grasshopper madness Replies: 0
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anyone here having problems with them?

they don't bother most of my figs at all. it seems thay like a few varieties like my hardy chicago and lsu gold. those they totally devour every leaf. stripped bare. i'll go out to the field and there will be several little ones sitting on the stem eating what little is left. the figs around these are untouched.

there's a grasshopper protozoan disease that i'm going to buy. i hate to spray pesticides.

Subject: Legal, legitimate selling of Figs Replies: 31
Posted By: papayamon Views: 2,469
 
i know in florida if you're selling citrus it opens a big fat can of worms. i'm planning on a hobby business selling primarily muscadine grapes, trees (no citrus) and houseplants. i am investing probably 20 thousand dollars in it. there are very few who actually make substantial money with this, and i'm certainly not planning to do much more than grow a lot of my own food and recover my investment over a couple of years. i am definitely going to get a proper license. i have a medical license to protect (rn, becoming a nurse practitioner), and these days i pretty much live by the book, else it is an awkward hassle with the state board :).

there are nurseries going broke all over this state. the economy is bad, and my friends tell me their ornamental plant business is less than half of what it was a few years ago. i would definitely keep my investment down unless you have money to burn.

if you do it very small and you're not shipping internationally, i would think as a practical matter you can play dumb and apologize if and when you get caught. how many plants will you have shipped? a few hundred? if you don't antagonize them and just roll over and pee like a scared dog and make them feel powerful, they won't do much with you. that's my experience with bureaucrats.

we really don't know all the facts behind the guy with the orchids. clearly, his problems arose from international shipments. i'd like to read more in depth about his case.

Subject: if you are a fig smuggler BEWARE... Replies: 12
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,510
 
these assholes knew full well what they were doing. take a target like that, run a long investigation and justify your worthless existence. these guys were wussies who were afraid to go after any real criminals. what burns me up is we've got to pay for their retirements, vacations, etc.

Subject: Human Pee With Ash Is a Natural Fertilizer, Study Says Replies: 10
Posted By: papayamon Views: 901
 
i save my coffee grounds for my blueberry patch. always looking to acidify the soil, though i can't tell any obvious difference yet from looking at plant growth.

regardless of whether it's effective or not, it's just too cheap to buy 10-10-10 to mess with pee and wood ash :). maybe if things get tougher and i lose my job :).

Subject: Need help on air layer Replies: 28
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,224
 
it is a curious thing about the rooting properties of hardened wood. james robin sent me a hollier, and had to cut the top off to get it in the bag. it was hardened wood, and i cut that top into 3 pieces and stuck them in sand. all three rooted in a few days, and now i've got 4 trees.

Subject: Sal's Corleone ripening figs (pic) Replies: 51
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that's the nice thing about figs cecil. there is always next year :).

Subject: Besides figs Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,042
 
i've got 4 paw paw trees, and 3 more on the way. paw paw suffers from the same problem figs do... doesn't ship and hold after harvest well. there has been quite a resurgence in paw paw for the home garden in recent years. univ of kentucky is a leader in research. i got my plants from this source. it's my understanding that the grafted plants don't do nearly as well as those from seed.

extremely interesting fruit. i don't know whether the chill hours are sufficient at my location to actually get any fruit, but i ought to have nice plants.

very nice bass. i've either got all these plants as well, or they're on order for the fall. what are your varieties of persimmon and jujube?

Subject: Need help on air layer Replies: 28
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and here i am, gonna cut every tree i have to about 2 inches off the ground this november :). i don't think i can air layer a nub in the spring.

Subject: Please!!!! Peters Honey help Replies: 12
Posted By: papayamon Views: 804
 
maggie, you got a pic?

Subject: Productive figs from U C Davis? Replies: 22
Posted By: papayamon Views: 3,061
 
i'm hoping that this nice florida weather agrees with those cuttings. i'm going to request several this year :). unfortunately, i'm running out of room to plant figs.

herman, did you see bad fmv in any of your figs from ucd cuttings?

Subject: Please!!!! Peters Honey help Replies: 12
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nelson, that's one nice looking plant!

Subject: Please!!!! Peters Honey help Replies: 12
Posted By: papayamon Views: 804
 
i've also got a peter's honey from willis. i planted it bare root about 6 weeks ago. indistinguishable from the others i bought at the same time.

Subject: eBay... Arggghhh! Replies: 11
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,002
 
better call james robin quick. talked to him today, and he's selling out of everything he's got. he cracks me up. i love this guy :).

Subject: Snow Storm hits our part of TX Replies: 9
Posted By: papayamon Views: 961
 
i wonder what this quick cold did to trees planted in the ground in unprotected areas? what was the temp before the drop? are you in an area of high or low numidity?


Subject: eBay... Arggghhh! Replies: 11
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,002
 
ebay is all about buyers and sellers. i don't begrudge any vendor what they wind up getting on ebay... that's if they are truthful and deliver what they claim.

none of these guys are getting rich. it's only about making a few bucks to offset their hobby costs :).

Subject: Smith Replies: 17
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i got a smith today! now my wish list is one smaller :). at least until tommorrow!

Subject: Our cool front :-) Replies: 25
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i can't wait till the sun isn't so damn sweltering. it's been very tough this year for me working out in the field. anytime we have good overcast weather you can find me out there digging holes :).


Subject: White Long Replies: 2
Posted By: papayamon Views: 551
 
nice looking fig. hope you're selling it soon :).

Subject: Plant Shipping Boxes Replies: 2
Posted By: papayamon Views: 595
 
don't see them either but i did find some nice metal plant tags for about 10 cents a piece. i bought 500. i'm getting to many varieties of too many things to keep it all straight. i'm about to get several more kinds of olives and pomegranates. metal is forever :)

Subject: In Chatroom Replies: 2
Posted By: papayamon Views: 566
 
i'm in there now, by myself :).

Subject: brown turkey fig growth Replies: 0
Posted By: papayamon Views: 409
 

how long between first appearance of tiny figs to harvest on a brown turkey?  i'm wondering if i might not get to taste my first fig this year. 


Subject: American Gold Standard Fig Replies: 11
Posted By: papayamon Views: 710
 
i'm gonna pitch this as absolute truth and get mr. row ben's reaction on video camera. i'm going to bring 3 or my cameras and set up for an interview, if he'll do it. i'll pretend this is serious journalism. we'll see how far i get or if he can come up with a better lie.

Subject: Makeshift Green house Replies: 7
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that's the dilemma i'm faced with.  when it's 70 during the day, and the sun is beating down, it will quickly bake everything unless you're there to open things up.  then the same night it will get to the 20's and freeze things to death.  so greenhousing is tricky, especially when you're not there to tend it.

i have found cylinders that will open and shut with the temp, they're hydraulic and need no electric.  that's what i'm going to try when i build a greenhouse/shadehouse next year.  or i guess i should call it a shadehouse/greenhouse.  i'll only have plastic on the sides for a few months during the year.  otherwise, it's just shadecloth.

Subject: Wuhan Replies: 47
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what part of the world does that fig hail from?


Subject: American Gold Standard Fig Replies: 11
Posted By: papayamon Views: 710
 

i'll pitch it with a straight face, along with my tales of foot-long grasshoppers.  :).


Subject: Makeshift Green house Replies: 7
Posted By: papayamon Views: 742
 
that's the killer, where you are.  looks like you've done a nice job though.  i think you'll need a heater of some sort, unfortunately.  but i have no experience with greenhouses in areas that get genuinely cold.   i'm sure there are others here who can help.

in may area, i only need to get 15 - 20 degrees on the worst nights.  you've got to do a lot more than that.

Subject: My Unknown Plant Replies: 15
Posted By: papayamon Views: 665
 

thanks cecil. appreciate the scouting reports :)   i'm gonna take opelousas head on!


Subject: My Unknown Plant Replies: 15
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well see what ol' james robin has to say when i show him these with a straight face during our bullshooting contest :).


Subject: here we go planting natalina :). Replies: 13
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many thanks to george for offering so many varieties on ebay.  without the starter plant, you can't grow anything :).


Subject: san pedro 2nd crop without caprification Replies: 8
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no martin, it's going to cost me up to 10k to set up a nice lab, and figs are out of the question for tissue culture. there's just not enough demand unless you're a very big wholesale nursery, which i am not and never will be.

Subject: here we go planting natalina :). Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 928
 
bass told me that the reason they freeze off at the ground here is it doesn't stay cold enough for a proper dormancy. it will go from the 70's to the 20's without warning, and the plants have no time to adjust. so a plant that would go into dormancy and get through the winter in a colder region will paradoxically freeze off here. will this happen to all varieties? we'll find out :).

i am only focusing on vegetative growth at this point. when the thing gets big enough, it should start making figs. if it doesn't, well .... no one likes to talk of such things.

whether it lives or dies or makes no figs or is loaded with them, i'm just experimenting. the nature of this is you'll have some successes and some failures. if i document what i did with notes and pics, then i'll have some basis for learning, which i'll try to pass on here.

what the heck, you got to figure that what anyone wants is to plant a fig, have it grow as quickly as possible and fruit well. in order to find the best way to do that, you've got to take chances and push the plants.


Subject: san pedro 2nd crop without caprification Replies: 8
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martin, thanks for the reference. will look into this for sure. i like miracle chemicals. when i start tissue culture, there are about a zillion chemicals for that :). however, i'm not going to mess with tissue culturing figs.

Subject: Need some opinions on if this tree has a shot. Replies: 6
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i think it was bass who told me that after a plant gets exposed to cold weather it is able to handle fmv better. since mine freeze to the ground every year, i ought to be in like flynn :).

Subject: Need some opinions on if this tree has a shot. Replies: 6
Posted By: papayamon Views: 464
 
well, look at the bright side... you won't have much competition, so you'll probably get it for the 9.99 :).

Subject: here we go planting natalina :). Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 928
 
ok, i'm going to track this fig's growth for the next couple of years. this is a rooted natalina cutting i just bought from our friend george at figsnstuff on ebay (go george!). dug my hole about 14 inches deep, 18 inches wide, filled with potting soil - we get a relatively cheap mix here for 25 dollars a cubic yard. it's great stuff. so i fill the hole with pure potting soil and top with a little of my sandy soil, mulch, and away we go! tommorrow i'll install drip irrigation and pop it with miracle grow, superthrive and granular 10-10-10. my prediction? it will freeze to the ground this winter, and come back in the spring to end up three to four feet tall and about as wide of a bush by this next fall :). bets anyone?

who says figs aren't fun?

by the way, i just bought this camera, so maybe i'm going a little crazy taking pics... i just want to document the growth of my figs to share with newbies. unfortunately, the upload manager won't let me load these in the order i'm trying to load them in...

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Subject: san pedro 2nd crop without caprification Replies: 8
Posted By: papayamon Views: 695
 
it would be interesting to experiment with the hormone george mentioned. i think i'll try it, what the heck :).

 

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