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Subject: san pedro 2nd crop without caprification Replies: 8
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i've read that some san pedros will set a 2nd crop without caprification - sometimes.  can anyone expound on this?  what varieties will do this?  is there a subtype of dessert king that will do this? 


Subject: Propagation Help Replies: 17
Posted By: papayamon Views: 787
 
from what you're telling me then a misting system would work very well. i'll be doing this next year in my shade house :).

Subject: Introduction of somewhat new member... Replies: 4
Posted By: papayamon Views: 641
 
blues, welcome!

how do you order cuttings from ucdavis? do they have a site?

Subject: Propagation Help Replies: 17
Posted By: papayamon Views: 787
 
has anyone ever tried to root green cuttings with a misting bed?

Subject: does taking a green cutting halt fig production Replies: 0
Posted By: papayamon Views: 482
 
i noticed this after i took a batch of green cuttings off my brown turkey. the new growth contains no figs at all, and the figs below the cut turned brownish and stopped growing. they remain fibrous and white inside.

now after several weeks, some of the new growth is again making baby figs. this time, i'm not taking cuttings, because i'd sure like to get a ripe one before the first freeze in november.

as an aside, how long after the first appearance of a baby fig does it take to harvest? assuming i've got 60 days left, do i have a chance of tasting a fig this year?

Subject: Our Cajun Country visit ;) Replies: 33
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heh. i just got off the phone with him. firstly cecil, he said you (called you "that damn cecil") aren't worth a s*** and you were full of bull. so i agreed with him and he laughed :). he loves your wife, so i agreed with him again even though i don't know her.

i told him we've been talking about him online saying all good things and he started laughing. he said he had heard about that and needed to get online and read this stuff and i said "oh,no.. you don't need to do that".

then he told me he was laying in bed eating fritos and they were full of fat and salt and he guessed he was doing the undertaker a favor.

i have got to get an interview with the cajun fig king on youtube!

and he mentioned george, and said george had given him some kind of a tree for his wife. he thinks a lot of george, for sure.

the reason i called him was because i had forgotten that i owed him 26.25 for shipping (shame on me, i had forgotten and i am the deadbeat). so i am sending a check today.

Subject: Our Cajun Country visit ;) Replies: 33
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,333
 
cecil, i think i'm gonna try and film a little interview with james robin, if he'll let me do it. then i'll put it on youtube.

Subject: Our Cajun Country visit ;) Replies: 33
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cecil, our grasshoppers are so big i got hit by one and knocked down last week. when i regained consciousness, it was standing over me, and that damn thing was wearing a football helmet!

the reason why i stayed in texas for 6 months last year is that i was looking for a grasshopper. never did find one, not like we got here in florida. the locals did show me what they said were texas grasshoppers, but i can't believe them tiny things were anything except babies.

Subject: Our Cajun Country visit ;) Replies: 33
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,333
 
sometimes when you're walking across the pasture you'll get smacked in the chest by a grasshopper so hard it's like getting hit by a linebacker. those texas grasshoppers have nothing on our gator grasshoppers :).

i shall continue to work on my lies.

Subject: my brown turkey Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 624
 
man i have got lots of projects out here! when i get back from texas, i'm going to put in a big green/shade house, an outdoor hydro unit, and a tissue culture lab. i'm gonna do a little hobby horticulture. however, i don't think there is any money in figs. it's too much work for far too small an audience. bananas and grapes and houseplants are a much bigger biz. still i don't think i'll ever do more than break even. else why would so many nurseries be biting the dust all the time? it's a labor intensive low yield business, just like everything else in farming. i make my living as an rn, becoming a nurse practitioner - but even that i'm scaling back to low stress job.

i'm currently wrassling with the county in the throes of putting in a video studio (actually a glorified barn i'm using to make health care training videos).

this is more fun than a guy ought to be able to have!!!!! :).

in all honesty, i've seen so much death and so many sick that i'm realizing just how short this all is. so i'm determined to do what i want to have fun rather than worrying about money in the bank when i'm an old geezer.

amd so i fig away! :). you guys are the greatest and this is a wonderful forum.

Subject: my brown turkey Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 624
 
i really believe it helps your plant to have it freeze off above ground. clears the fmv on the new growth and also gives the plant a respite from nematodes (at least this is my conjecture). so i will clip all my figs close to the ground yearly (except the king) and take cuttings so i can beat jack frost to the punch. i'll get a ton of cuttings off this tree alone :). my friends and family sure won't lack for fig trees :).

Subject: Our Cajun Country visit ;) Replies: 33
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,333
 
i'm gonna tell jr about my giant grasshoppers who will eat a hole on the side of a ripe fig and then they'll make wine in there and get drunk. i find them flopping around the trees just as drunk as can be. i'll do this with a straight face and see what better lie he can come up with :).

Subject: my brown turkey Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 624
 
what the heck, here's a shot of my front pasture. i'm going right down the middle of these other 2 rows with another row of figs :).

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Subject: my brown turkey Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 624
 
i really believe i can get all my figs to grow like this. the drip irrigation makes a big difference. i'll be more careful with my new figs to better manage them this time around. this one came out ok in spite of neglect, rather than because of proper care.

some of the old timers around here will take a large diamter pvc pipe and saw it in half, and then put it around the plant base to protect it when using roundup. i don't go to such trouble, i just spray very carefully. if you ever do get a bit of roundup on your plant, cut off whatever got roundup on it immediately. i bring a pair of paramedic scissors with me when i roundup for just that purpose. supposedly you can get roundup on hardened wood, but i know from experience it will kill a young tree for sure.

i am going to mulch a lot heavier this year, plus i'm buying these mulch mats that fit around the base of plants. they won't let light through, so they'll kill any grass or weeds, and they will let air and water through. they're expensive, about 16 bucks each at lowes. so i am taking mine and moving them from plant to plant after they've cleared the weeds around it. this way i won't need roundup. i hate spraying that stuff.

Subject: my brown turkey Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 624
 
no, i didn't cover them. to use roundup - you have to use a coarse spray with a VERY WEAK stream. you cannot get even a bit of mist on your plants or it will kill them deader than a doornail. you have to wait for no wind and you have to have a dedicated sprayer for roundup. that stuff is death in a bottle, and the slightest mistake means you have no plant.

on the pics, i bought this camera last night, and i'm fumbling with it. those are the first pics i've taken, other than ones of my feet.


now it's putting out tiny new figs. i don't think they'll ripen either. this one sure came out fuzzy.

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Subject: my brown turkey Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 624
 
the figs here have been there for 2 months, i'l bet. are not growing at all, and are white and fibrous inside.

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Subject: my brown turkey Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 624
 
ok, this is my one fig i started with last year. i bought it as a little plant locally, then set her out in the beginning of september. i left for texas from oct to may, and when i came back, she had frozen to the ground but was beginning to come back from the roots. she did have drip irrigation the whole time. i fertilized. the grass was aggressivly closing in, so i rounduped about 2 weeks ago, and she's grown 6 inches at least since then. that's a yardstick for reference.

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Subject: Our Cajun Country visit ;) Replies: 33
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,333
 
george is solid gold, and anyone who says anything different is obviously not quite in their right mind.

Subject: Our Cajun Country visit ;) Replies: 33
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,333
 
i am going to see jr at the end of novenmber. i'm training for our bs contest now :).

Subject: black madiera - the holy grail of figs? Replies: 20
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,191
 
martin, i grow in the ground, and all i can say is WOW can i get the growth here. i'll be posting a pic of my one year old brown turkey tommorrow. considering that i let he weeds overrun it and only gave it good care for the last 4 months, it's simply amazing how well it's grown.

here plants grow as bushes, because it doesn't get cold enough to encourage proper dormancy, then the temp drops from 70's to freezing, which pretty much nails the plant above the ground. my ag agent has a fig bush that comes up yearly and grows to 12 feet high and 12 feet wide, then freezes to the ground in the winter.

when i get my hands on a black madiera, i will really give it some pampered care. i don't care about getting figs the first couple of years - i'm growing the plant.

Subject: RECORDING FOR POSTERITY Replies: 4
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all that means is we've got lots of experimentation to do :). i'm wondering if it's more than climate. for example, will a plant look different depending on ph, fertilization, etc? i'll be carefully documenting the circumstances and performance of the genetic material in my hands :).




Subject: RECORDING FOR POSTERITY Replies: 4
Posted By: papayamon Views: 570
 
i'll tell you what really irks me: when someone trademarks a name and sticks it on a variety, as though it's a different fig. that only ads to the disinformation and confusion. we should focus on culling the extra names, not propogating them.

in the future when i am giving out cuttings or plants, i want to be able to show the mother from planting to growth to fruiting, as well as whatever history i know about the plant. i won't give out private member names as sources, however, only that a plant was obtained from a reliable member with a great reputation, otherwise i'll stir up bothersome emails to members. it's ok if people think i'm a dumbass. i only want them to think i'm an honest and careful dumabass :).

Subject: RECORDING FOR POSTERITY Replies: 4
Posted By: papayamon Views: 570
 
i have started a database for my figs, bananas and grapes, showing date of purchase and source. will link to video clips and pics showing my plants at planting, in spring, through summer, etc.. so i can have well chronicled growth
and care. when you start getting up to 50 figs, not to mention 50 muscadine grapes and 10 types of bananas, 7 types of blackberries, etc... it starts to get a little fuzzy if you try to carry any details in your head. that fuzzy little walnut between my ears is easy to overload. i just don't trust it :).

the most important thing to me here is that people realize that my word and reputation are extremely important to me. losing track of plants and trading someone what turns out to be the wrong thing will seriously undermine this, and i am not taking any chances.

having said all this, i am now going to repurchase all the types i bought from willis nursery, this time from reliable forum members, so i can raise 2 for comparison. if willis sent me the wrong plants, i can assure you i will let everyone here and at gardenweb know it. and if they sent me the right ones, i will vouch for them.


Subject: black madiera - the holy grail of figs? Replies: 20
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,191
 
i'm sure i'll end up giving it a shot. let's say it dies and i lose a hundred bucks or so. well, i am sure that worse things have happened to better fig growers. so i am gonna try it.

Subject: black madiera - the holy grail of figs? Replies: 20
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,191
 

i've noticed the really high prices these command.  even higher than sal's corleone.  is this really that great a fig?  of course, i must have one!


Subject: Ronde De Bordeaux Replies: 21
Posted By: papayamon Views: 5,066
 
that is drop dead gorgeous bass.

Subject: Email Me Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 804
 
martin, i might suggest that you beat its roots with a ruler, and try again next year, and report the results back to us. i bet you get superior figs.

Subject: Ronde De Bordeaux Replies: 21
Posted By: papayamon Views: 5,066
 
growing nicely martin. you're doing a great job with the pots. i can't wait to get mine in the ground and get to warm weather. that thing is gonna zoom if it likes central florida weather :).

Subject: Sal's Corleone ripening figs (pic) Replies: 51
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cecil if you visit jr on friday, tell him mike from florida says hey. :).

Subject: Making Fig Video Replies: 7
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i'm actually building a video studio on my property (this is true, in the middle of building it). who knows? this could send a talented young fig on his or her way to stardom :).

Subject: dessert king Replies: 28
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,913
 
well, i did get a dessert king from willisorchard. should be pretty obvious if they sent me the right tree. i also got a king from james robin. if nothing else, these will be a curiosity here for me in gainesville.

Subject: Ronde De Bordeaux Replies: 21
Posted By: papayamon Views: 5,066
 
i just bought one yesterday from bass :).

Subject: dessert king Replies: 28
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,913
 
as a practical matter, do you only get a breba crop off a dessert king? i know it's a san pedro, but it seems unlikely that this would have become a fig sold by so many vendors if you only got a breba crop without pollination.

any illumination here is greatly appreciated.

Subject: 143-36 is a winner here,in NJ Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,645
 
does encantofarms have a list of plants for sale online, or do you have to enquire about each individually by email?

Subject: 143-36 is a winner here,in NJ Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,645
 
yes martin i read that. it's great that we have a community to keep misinformation from spreading. for example, let's say i bought that, grew it, gave a few plants out to friends, etc. then there would be several people out there thinking they had a when they had b. the damage isn't just to one person. and all so someone can scam for a few bucks.

these clowns do us all the worst disservice.

i'm hoping that there will be a lot of offerings in the spring by reputable folks. i'm finding it very hard to add new varieties at the moment. i don't at all mind paying 30 bucks for a nice rooted branch of a superior variety. but considering that i'm leaving to go to texas for 3 or 4 months and i can't tend my plants, i'm not too eager to buy the very expensive varieties, only to come back and find them dead :). it's getting too late in the year to get a plant established enough to get it through the winter. i may lose half of what i got now :).



Subject: FreezePruf to protect fig plants? Replies: 7
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ken the problem i have is that i am leaving to go to another state to work during dec-mar. so i won't be there to cover/uncover. whatever i do, it's got to be automatic.

it's possible i could have someone spray my plants for me a couple of times during those months, though i think the figs will be frozen off by january. that's a yearly thing here.

i would dearly love to have a mango tree, and maybe next year i'll experiment with creating a protected spot. it gets way too cold here for mango, so this would have to be pretty heavy duty.

the citrus is marginal. some of my citrus can handle the cold, others can once they reach a certain size. it's getting them to that size that's the trick.

thanx for your suggestions.

Subject: FreezePruf to protect fig plants? Replies: 7
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,099
 
i am planning on putting glass in front of my plants on the north side. i got a bunch of sliding glass doors for super cheap for this. then i'm going to put incandescent lights on the side with the plant, and control them via thermostat. i'm hoping they bump the heat up on that side a few degrees. they shouldn't have to run more than couple of dozen nights during the winter.

i'm hoping this gives me a few degrees for my vulnerable plants. my figs i am going to let freeze, just mulch them like crazy and hope they come up from the roots next year. i'm going to travel away for 3 months in december, so whatever happens, happens :). i will get this stuff and spray it on the plants as well. i've got a lot of money in my vulnerable citrus and ornamentals (i'll spray the figs too).

Subject: 143-36 is a winner here,in NJ Replies: 13
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,645
 
anywhere this one is for sale?

Subject: FreezePruf to protect fig plants? Replies: 7
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,099
 
interesting claims. if true, that would be worth it to me, since some of my plants are at risk. heck, if i could keep my bananas and oranges from freezing it would be worth the 30 bucks to me.

Subject: Sicilain Black Replies: 3
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the guy's also got a sal's corleone in a 3 gallon pot :).

should be interesting. the guy will probably recover the cost of several of his trees with these :).

Subject: anyone grown osborne prolific Replies: 11
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,694
 
the figs4fun variety database says an osborne prolific is brown, and is also the same as an archipel. then it says the archipel is green. are they the same fig?

Subject: Armenian Fig Replies: 17
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cecil i'd take some soil in and have in analyzed. you may also want your water tested, if you've got well water. i'd bet your county ag agent can do that for a few bucks (at least mine can). if you're watering and fertilizing and mulching and weeding and you've got sun, they should take off for the sky. sorry to hear you're having these troubles.

Subject: Fig Delight Replies: 10
Posted By: papayamon Views: 895
 
martin what's truly amazing about florida is how fast the climate changes over such a small geographic area. i can grow things here in gainesville i could never hope to grow 120 miles further south in tampa. this is about the best of all worlds for me. here i can still grow citrus, but i can also grow a lot of other crops that need 400 chill hours.

Subject: Planting away! Replies: 7
Posted By: papayamon Views: 617
 
yeah go gators!

i expect them all to freeze to the ground this year. all i'm going to do is mulch them heavily and hope for the best. so i'll be taking cuttings and hoping to make a few trades :). the only thing i'm going to worry about protecting is my bananas and my citrus. if you can get a naval orange past the first couple of years, it will take the cold.

i had one fig last year, a brown turkey, and i put it out in september. it was not much more than a cutting and it froze while i was working in san antonio. it came back, and this year it has grown incredibly, looks like it's been in the ground for 3 years now. that drip irrigation is great stuff.

i learned a big lesson when i put in my blueberries. it's too alkaline here for them, and i had to do so much work to get them to grow, i could buy blueberries by the case for the next 20 years before i recover my cost with these things. i've got about 30 of them planted in a bed of pine bark. i mean truckloads of pine bark. so now i say "the right plant in the right place". this is why i switched to figs :).

heck, i live in a big playground for a wanna be farmer :).

Subject: Planting away! Replies: 7
Posted By: papayamon Views: 617
 
this brings me up to around 35 varieties, though it's possible i've got some duplicates. i've only got 5 or 6 varieties on my wish list now, and hopefully i can get those in the spring. it's nice because i've got a drip system, and i really don't have to do much other than fertilize and mow around them. i would always rather spend the extra $$ to automate things.

Subject: Most you've spent... Replies: 19
Posted By: papayamon Views: 1,175
 
jstall, how much can a pecan tree cost? i can get a great tree here for 10 bucks, like 4 feet tall, and vigorous.

Subject: Planting away! Replies: 7
Posted By: papayamon Views: 617
 
got 14 varieties from james robin yesterday. trees look great! i'm taking a break now, but i've got 10 of them planted.

i'm hoping to get root systems established before the first hard freeze in november. popping those suckers with superthrive.

james robins is such a great guy. he's full of cajun wisdom and has a great sense of humor. his wife has alzheimer's, and as an rn, i can tell you that's absolutely hell on the other spouse. i say bless him, and if he comes up with other varieties next year, i'll buy those too :).

boy am i ever gonna run out of room soon :). i'm squeezing plants in places now. not to mention all the stuff i've got coming this winter. olives and nuts galore :).


Subject: Fig Delight Replies: 10
Posted By: papayamon Views: 895
 
beautiful. i wonder how well that fig would do in florida's heat.

Subject: Sal's Fig Replies: 42
Posted By: papayamon Views: 3,731
 
while i personally wouldn't spend over 30 bucks for any one fig, if someone wants one, and the price is 10 thousand dollars and they want to pay that, then it's no skin off my nose. ebay is all about buyers and sellers coming together. the price went to 100 because it was bid up to that. why would i blame the seller? he's listing a product and being truthful. that's all he's responsible for.

the buyer wanted one now and didn't want to wait. i want a sal's fig too. i'd like to have both types. but i'm just going to wait and build my collection in other directions till someone starts selling them in quantity enough that the price drops, or perhaps santa claus will put one under my stocking :).

my only hope here is for continued success to both parties to this transaction. figs are fun!

Subject: Sal's Fig Replies: 42
Posted By: papayamon Views: 3,731
 
i was born to be a farmer, but it's just not profitable unless you have a mega farm. still, having 12 acres (assuming i can buy the additional 6 from the guy next to me) and playing around is more fun than a guy should be allowed to have.

i've got over 60 fruit trees now, 30 blueberries, 52 grapes, lots of blackberries, 7 kinds of bananas. not to mention a green/shadehouse and an outdoor hydro unit soon. not to mention that i'm building a film studio under my oak trees. i'm having more fun now than at any time in my life. i'm not retired but i am certainly not working my butt off like i have the last few years.

congrats to whoever bought the sal's fig :). i'm hoping that's me in the spring!

dan i hope you get some more property. do you have drip irrigation? i can't imagine life without it.

 

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