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Subject: First Socorro Black Replies: 51
Posted By: JD Views: 2,159
 
Frank,
I am glad that it is performing well and tasting good. Thanks Jose.

Subject: Native de Argentile 2014 Replies: 58
Posted By: JD Views: 2,647
 
shah8,
I see your perspective. Thanks for the follow up.

I searched this forum and Garden Web and there are an order of magnitude more posts about struggles with tree growth than there are descriptions of the fruit. Concerning fig care philosophy, I believe it is "better now" than it was four years ago. I believe that Tapla's Soil Management thread (and Dan_La philosophical discussions with him) educated many and made folks think about care more than they may have ever considered in the past. I also believe it is incrementally "better" now than it was in 2011.

Finally, I waited almost two years before posting about NdA. Akram and then Martin were the first to mark NdA for me. I'll say it again, in the special flavor category, I would present two figs for taste testing: 1) NdA and 2) Camuna Small Black. I appreciate your skepticism and I also accept your proposition that it is just another fig. Time will tell.

The measure of good anywhere is interesting. Here's why: Consider your example of BM and Smith, Smith takes several years to produce but when it does, it produces OUTSTANDING figs. I have yet to read reports of successful Black Madeira harvests in the South. I have both potted and grounded BMs with no success. So for me in 8B, BM is a cull/new home candidate. Like Smith but without the fanfare, NdA has taken several years to produce and it has produced fruits of superior taste (I think) to other fig trees that I am growing and have sampled fruit.

I am interested in learning more about your fig hunting.

Subject: Violette de Bordeaux 2014 Replies: 30
Posted By: JD Views: 1,501
 
Thanks all.

Gene,
The squirrels are not sharing. They are taking whatever they can get. I get it but damn.
A Conibear 110 will do and I have resisted the temptation. I checked them out last week. Rusted but I can still set it with hand strength. Thank God for my wife and daughter. Otherwise, if legal and we could limit the damage, fire flamed arrows would be flying up into trees.

Subject: Adriano's Paradiso Pic 1st Aug 2014 in PNW Replies: 8
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Paul,
Good looking fig. Nice color and elongated shape. I am interested in seeing the pulp.

Subject: Smith 7-30-14 Replies: 34
Posted By: JD Views: 1,355
 
Mike,
Excellent report. Like you have posted, Smith does well in the South and Newnan, GA is no exception. Keep posting.

Subject: Pananas Purple 2014 Replies: 9
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Subject: Albuquerque White #2 2012 & 2014 Replies: 5
Posted By: JD Views: 735
 
In 2014, it is still ugly but getting better.

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Subject: Violette de Bordeaux 2014 Replies: 30
Posted By: JD Views: 1,501
 
Violette de Bordeaux. This one needed a few more days and to be picked, however, I expected to harvest several more figs but only one remained. I suspect it was the squirrels because the birds are not as skilled and greedy to remove four clam shells from one tree. It may be time for a few Conibear 110s. VdB is VdB. You know it when you taste it.

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Subject: Native de Argentile 2014 Replies: 58
Posted By: JD Views: 2,647
 
shah8,
Why were Jason and Martin noncommittal in their 2011 reviews? I don't know. Was your question rhetorical? 

I offer the following for your consideration:
  • In 2011, I believe that Jason had an immature NdA and it produced a less than desirable first fig. Like most figs, I think his tree would be [much] better 3+ years later.
  • I did not post about NdA last season although I could have. What Martin and Jason wrote, however, gave me reason to wait another season before I posted about it.
  • I did wait and you have read what I wrote.
My response is not meant to be critical of your question nor defensive in response to it but to be clear in my answer. This post (and others) is strictly about learning and sharing information through my senses and sensibilities. Therefore, what I have written does not address what people are saying but it directly speaks what I am saying.

Although observational, I am intentional in that I consciously sample different figs at once instead of many of the same type at once. The approach helps me determine and distinguish characteristics that are important to me: acidity, sweetness, flavor, texture/crunch.

Concerning flavor, NdA was exemplary, unique and consistent like none other this season or last. Prior to the figs this morning, maybe 7-8 figs did not make it indoors and that same amount were consumed by the birds who attacked the protective plastic clam shells. I was shocked at how good the figs were. I wish Camuna Small Black were producing figs because it is the only other fig that I have tasted with a flavor profile as different as this one.

Subject: Hunt 2014 Replies: 15
Posted By: JD Views: 688
 
shah8,
I appreciate your questions. Always good ones.

Answer. Not yet. I define main as the set containing Scott's Black, Purple, and Late Black. I think it is better than Gold and the tree I have labeled as Golden Celeste. Let's revisit this next season when hopefully, I will have a few more varieties to compare.

Subject: Harvest 2014 Replies: 36
Posted By: JD Views: 1,559
 
shah8,
I will do my best to give a fresh 2014 take with the same conclusion. We have discussed this previously and I always appreciate your insight. First, here is the caveat. This is pure observational anecdotage.

Environment. Both are potted 15 gallon, east facing and on timed drip, started as layers, received maybe one year apart although the same age.

VdB Vitals. Two shoots. V-shaped. 10'+ tall each. Figs produced in clusters of 2-3-4 and ripen 1-2 per clusters with 1-2 cluster per branch. 4-5 days to swell and ripen to where the birds will consume and 2-3 days more is when I want to harvest it. Never really goes dead ripe like other figs.

PN Vitals. A 4.5' tall main with a secondary main branch jutting left at about the 3' mark off of the main branch. The secondary branch is growing espalier style. Figs grow one at a time and ripen multiple onesies at a time but in a FIFO (first in first out) order. 2-3 days to swell plus 2-3 days to get ripe like I like and the birds do not consume them. Thus they always ripen very well.

Conclusion. I believe they are different like fraternal twins but likely similar genetically. PN always seems to better because they are always more ripe. The flavor profile of VdB is more discernible than PN.

Thanks Mike.
I need those labels. In the first post of this thread, there are a few photographs that forced me to take the time to label them. For me and my mind, it is better to label. I have lost it before, that is my mind, only to find it after work. There will come a time when I cannot find it. Hopefully, I can still read.

Subject: Strawberrry Verte 2014 Replies: 16
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Strawberry Verte is somewhat productive but not top fig in 8B. I can say that with confidence because of splitting due to its open eye. The presence of JH Adriatic and Battaglia Green (tighter eyes and a tolerance for rain) along with a Martinesque preference for brown, black and purple figs are also key factors. Fortunately, this is the first time in a couple of years that I was able to enjoy well-ripened figs because it has not rained in several days. I suspect that in a dry hot climate with the wasp, this can be a first rate medium sized fig. The seeds give it a pleasant crunch and coupled with an intense berry flavor, it is another green-red fig that rivals and will surpass figs that are sweet only. I also like the veins on this fig; they are prominent in the last two photographs.

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Subject: Harvest 2014 Replies: 36
Posted By: JD Views: 1,559
 
Thanks Harvey.
Check your PMs.

Subject: Harvest 2014 Replies: 36
Posted By: JD Views: 1,559
 
Albuquerque White #2, Native de Argentile, LSU Scott's Black, Strawberry Verte, and Violette de Bordeaux are the newly harvested figs. I tasted them by color and then ripeness.
  • ABQ White #2 was better than last season but nothing special.
  • Strawberry Verte was the best it has ever been for me. It had not split, the ribs/veins were impressive and it tasted great. On par with Battaglia Green, and JH Adriatic. Berry flavored, juicy with a delicate crunch. I really like it.
  • Cannone Dark was picked too early but its flavor is such that with eyes closed, I know it is a Cannone.
  • Malta Black. These fruits did not get as much sunshine as they should have and hence, did not swell nor ripen as fully as others have. Still I prefer Malta Black over any of the previous three figs and this next fig.
  • VdB is VdB. Very productive. High quality. Extremely flavorful and loved by birds and squirrels. This tree has the potential to produce more figs than any other not named Celeste, Stallion, or MVSB.
  • LSU Scott's Black is figgy, berry, jammy, sweet but complex and melts away as you eat it. Wonderful and better than each of the aforementioned figs...to me.
  • Pananas Purple has a unique flavor profile that I have discussed previously. Not better than Scott's Black but different. I used to think it was one of two of the most different flavor profiles that I have ever tasted (Camuna Small Black being the other) until we tasted the next fig.
  • Native de Argentile is #1 fig of my season. It is the unanimous best fig in this harvest because its crazy good flavor trumps the acidity of Smith. I posted about it here so quickly the flavor was tropical and layered with a good crunch. 
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Subject: Native de Argentile 2014 Replies: 58
Posted By: JD Views: 2,647
 
Native de Argentile was shockingly good. It was a 2011 UC Davis cutting that was cut into thirds and each third rooted. If not for two unsuccessful attempts to ship it a place that it could not be shipped and should not be shipped (according to the authorities), I would not have cared for this last cutting/tree as well as I have.

It has an incredible layered tropical flavor which means that it is not berry but comparable to a blend of fresh tropical juices and yes it is juicy with each fig having a honey drip from the eye. The initial taste is surprising because it is (like the early years Carlos Santana) uncommon. Then there are additional flavors that I was unable to describe. The three of us had two each and we each had the same Wow! look in our eyes. I almost forgot about the nuttiness from the crunch. A good fig here in 8B.

Native de Argentile, you are moving on up to a deluxe 30 gallon pot.

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Subject: Hunt 2014 Replies: 15
Posted By: JD Views: 688
 
Good catch eboone. I will update my original post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eboone
? mother of Celeste or daughter of Celeste?

Here is a reference and scott_ga posted about the origins in 2013. This is the content that appears in both the reference and what scott-ga posted:

Quote:
Originally Posted by scott_ga
One of the most enthusiastic breeders of figs in the southern United States was B. W. Hunt (1911, 1912) of Eatonton, Georgia. For female parents he used Brown Turkey, Green Ischia, and Celeste, and for pollen he first resorted to local seedling caprifigs. Later he obtained blastophagas which effected pollination of the edible figs available. One of his main objectives was to produce a fig with a peduncle long enough to hang downwards and thus to shed rain away from the eye. His seedling fig, the Hunt, a cross of Green Ischia with pollen from California, has the desired character, is larger than Celeste, but is too tender to ship well as a fresh fruit.

Subject: Rmali leaf pictures needed Replies: 8
Posted By: JD Views: 376
 

This tree is heavily infected with FMV and only after a heavy dose of fertilizer what it able to push out leaves that were not severely deformed. Here are a couple of leaves that are not so bad and should offer a glimpse of a 'true' leaf. Source: Bass.


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Subject: Hunt 2014 Replies: 15
Posted By: JD Views: 688
 
Hunt. A good quality medium sized moderately figgy fig. Not exceptional, not terrible but unique enough for a Southern collection. This was the first of the season and the next several will ripen one or two per day for the next 10 days until the harvest is complete. Edit. Removed from "Known Mother of Celeste" (See post #10). For some reason, I thought Hunt and Celeste were related. I will search for the reference.

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Subject: Marsellies Black vs 7-27-14 Replies: 14
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It looks like it could have dried on the tree. I know that fig was good. MVSB is high quality and extremely productive in 8B.

Subject: Help Identify Please. Magnolia/Brunswick? Replies: 19
Posted By: JD Views: 1,340
 
Frank,
I agree with others...it looks like a Mission (and similar to those from my Black Mission NL). If you can give it a few more days, I wonder if the skin will crack.

Subject: Harvey's Main Crop Harvest July 2014 Replies: 46
Posted By: JD Views: 1,694
 
Harvey,
Will you please describe the taste of Vasilika Sika?

Subject: 1 Month Ar-Layer Pictures Replies: 28
Posted By: JD Views: 712
 
Good work and good photos.
Is that a 1L airpot? And did you cut the center of the base to slide down/over the trunk?

Subject: Malta Black 2014 Replies: 8
Posted By: JD Views: 761
 
Thanks all.

Malta Black earned an upgrade to first class, i.e., into a 30 gallon pot with about 15 other of its fig familia. An upgrade to first class means a tree has met a criteria including but not limited to multiple seasons of good production and outstanding taste (those two metrics are my cramer-rao lower bound for figs). I have a few figs that I moved into 30GPs prematurely, i.e., based upon reputation and before the produced figs; and I am not happy about it. Never again. 'Prove it, first' is my mantra henceforth. Time and space are priceless for me.

Subject: Cannone Dark 2014 Replies: 5
Posted By: JD Views: 417
 
Thanks folks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosco
JD,
Thanks for the post and beautiful photo.   This looks to be a fig of potential but, being fairly new at this, I'm totally unfamiliar with the name.  Is this a readily available or common fig?  Do you know the origin?   Thanks....

Jack,
You can read about the origins of Cannone Dark and also the introduction of Pat Cannone who introduce the variety to the forum.

Subject: Good Figs with Lost Labels 2014 Replies: 19
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Thanks for the thoughts and ideas. A few photos of the leaves are attached. Using the varieties page and a forum search, I have narrowed it down to an either-or. After a few more figs, I will know for sure. I maintain a Google worksheet with reliable metrics but given time, multiple trees and sharing with others, the worksheet is only as good as I can keep it updated. I usually write everything in a bound composition-type book.

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My #1 issue is protection...from birds but mostly the squirrels. Everything is ripening and they have more time than I to harvest than me (for breakfast lunch and dinner). I have CO2 powered protection and I am considering an upgrade to pneumatic because the squirrels are just greedy (b.k.a. gluttony).


Subject: Harvest 2014 Replies: 36
Posted By: JD Views: 1,559
 
Thanks Barry. It took three years to get an already 18 month old 3+ foot tall tree to produce those figs here in 8B. I cannot imagine how long it will take there but I can tell you that Smith is worth the wait. Similarly, four years here in 8B and a) only one ripe Black Madeira (not worth eating) and b) not one ripe Col de Dame Blanc or Fico Preto.

Subject: Good Figs with Lost Labels 2014 Replies: 19
Posted By: JD Views: 789
 
Lost Label #01. It happens every season; a tree with ripe fruit and no label. If the tree produces quality figs, then my decision is easy (keep it). If the tree produces not so good figs, then the choice is less clear. In this case, this is a good fig. It is sweet, juicy, berry-flavored fig with a crunch. It could be associated with one of these labels. Edit. I will call it Lost Label #01 for now. Sal's EL it could be.

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Subject: Cannone Dark 2014 Replies: 5
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Cannone Dark. I said it last season and it holds true this season. This is a large, dense, thick, and large beefsteak type of fig. It is very good but neither sweet, figgy, berry, nor honey. It has a squat round shape, open cavity, and an eye that is sealed with honey.

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Subject: Malta Black 2014 Replies: 8
Posted By: JD Views: 761
 
Malta Black. Is a good fig. To my buds, it is not as sweet nor as figgy but better tasting than improved Celeste but not as good as Petite Negri. If it had a crunch, then I think I would like it even more (if not love it). The tree is productive and forms fruit in clusters of 4-5 figs and ripens them one at a time over a 2-3 day period. It would have been nice to wait a day or two more on these but the rain accelerated those plans.

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Subject: Harvest 2014 Replies: 36
Posted By: JD Views: 1,559
 
Petite Negri and Malta Black. An unfortunate comparison for Malta Black which is a good fig. Petite Negri has a more intense flavor. It is also larger and 'jammier'. I prefer the size of Malta Black and I like its flavor profile which is different than Petite Negri. How? I do not know yet. I need more Malta Black.

In the first image, the top row of four Petite Negri were harvested at a 'just right' state before the rains came. The second row of Petite Negri were harvested at the same time but 'dead ripe', that is, two days 'older'. The second image compares the two different states of ripeness. And they are two different tastes due to the concentration of sugars as well as the maturity and intensity of the flavor. You can see how the pulp has bled into the skin/pith.

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Subject: Ronde de Bordeaux 2014 Replies: 18
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Thanks folks. Ground it is and shall be. I started a large layer this week in hopes of having it grounded in the Spring.

Subject: A trip to Hershell's Replies: 21
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Will,
Good post.

Hershell,
Good deeds.

Subject: --- PIX: Pastiliere main Replies: 31
Posted By: JD Views: 1,670
 
Igor,
Great looking fig. Which Pastiliere: UCDavis, Jon's Unknown, other? I found the answer (UCDavis) in your HdA thread. Thanks!

Subject: Ronde de Bordeaux 2014 Replies: 18
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Ronde de Bordeaux. The first ripe fig of the season. RdB is a baaaad fig (not baaaad meaning bad but baaaad meaning gooood). One wish for RdB - more productive here in 8B. It may do much better in a 30 gallon pot versus the 7 gallon pot it currently resides in. Note. It was overcast and drizzling when it was picked and photographed, i.e., the skin was not as dark as it appears.

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Subject: Black Bethlehem 2014 Replies: 9
Posted By: JD Views: 844
 
Thanks for the encomium regarding the photos.

Frank,
I purchased the tree from Bass in March 2010 and according to Bass it was rooted in 2009. It fruited in 2011 and has gotten more productive and better tasting since then. It is potted.

Igor,
A tight eye not closed. The heavy rains have caused about 50% of these figs to split. Surprising, they have not soured because check them nightly and consume them ASAP.

Ryan,
I recall a post by Bass (or Martin) referring to this as a Mt Edna type of fig. The profile for the Mt. Ednas appears to be not just good but better than most.

Subject: O'Rourke (JR) 7-22-14 Replies: 40
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Another good LSU Improved Celeste-O'Rourke thread. Educational.

Subject: Pananas Purple 2014 Replies: 9
Posted By: JD Views: 659
 
Pananas Purple is a medium size fig with less acidity than Smith, a crunch, and a unique flavor profile. It is sweet but with a second fruit taste that I cannot place. I need a few more of these.

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Subject: Black Bethlehem 2014 Replies: 9
Posted By: JD Views: 844
 
Black Bethlehem. Fig pizza is a family favorite. After a few figs were sampled, all I heard was "Is he really going to put those on a pizza?". No pizza and I did not get to taste any of these, however, I was allowed to photograph the last remaining figs. One from the peanut gallery said they had a "tropical" flavor with a very slight crunch and another said that it tasted "like a plum". The fig gave them a nice laugh.

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Subject: Harvest 2014 Replies: 36
Posted By: JD Views: 1,559
 
Smith. Unbelievable. Getting some outstanding figs. Wife and daughter devoured these for Monday morning breakfast which means there were five figs in that open space in the corner (that were not photographed) and I had only one before they were gone.

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Stallion. Ripens about 10 figs like this every three days. Without birds and now a squirrel (for breakfast, lunch and dinner), it could be twice that.

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Unknown Foxcroft. This is a good Celeste. One of the two that I really like. Jam Ooh Jam. It ripens a bunch every two to three days. I bought a couple of air products (CO2) the Fig Protection Program armory.

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Petite Negri. If not for Smith, Petite Negri would be the favorite of the 2014 season thus far.

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Subject: Photos of Early Season Fig Cultivars-A lot of Pictures Replies: 51
Posted By: JD Views: 3,670
 
Charles,
Excellent photographs. I can taste those figs. I truly appreciate how you allow your figs to get dead ripe and the pulp bleeds through the pith to the skin. No, I love that. Please remind us of how you are protecting your figs? Cat, dog, net, air power, gun powder, all of the above, or other? Whatever you are doing, it is worth sharing. Keep posting.

PS. Will you please post a few photos of your O'Rourke tree and leaves?

Subject: Harvest 2014 Replies: 36
Posted By: JD Views: 1,559
 
Mike (NY),
No music playing or writing worth mentioning, however, quite a bit of listening and a decent collection of vinyl that I 'inherited'. My children play violin and piano. Thus a a parent, listening (a good ear) and knowing how to read music (with some modicum of confidence), is helpful.

Subject: Pic's Of Good Fig Needs To Be Id Replies: 5
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Paul,
Nice veins and the looks closed. Good characteristics. Do you have a photograph of a cut fig?

Subject: Petite Negri 2014 Replies: 17
Posted By: JD Views: 985
 
Don,
Thanks. Glad you get it...with Miles.

Rafael,
I acquired my tree from Frank (FMD) and I cannot trace its origins beyond him. Maybe he will post on this thread.

Frank,
What are the origins of your Petite Negri?

Subject: Adriano's Whopper Red Delicious Replies: 32
Posted By: JD Views: 1,023
 
Paul,
That's a mini apple, right? One of those model sided ones that come with the kitchen sets, right? Goodness gracious. Please post the weight if you can. Scale withstanding that is Florida avocado size.

Subject: Petite Negri 2014 Replies: 17
Posted By: JD Views: 985
 
Thanks folks.

m5allen,
Right now Petite Negri. Love the one you're with! (Isn't that the chorus of a once popular song? By...?). I prefer to answer the fig question in a couple of weeks when VdB and Petite Negri are producing at the same time. I only have one season of data but last season, I support what Barry (BLB) has posted and I'll say it again, Petite Negri would be my choice today.

Rob,
No brebas to date here in 8B.

Subject: Harvey's Main Crop Harvest July 2014 Replies: 46
Posted By: JD Views: 1,694
 
Very nice Harvey. Thanks for sharing the photos. Monstreuse and Vasilika Sika look good.

I am curious to read more about the taste even if in a different climate. Can you compare them to the other green-reds like Strawberry Verte, Green Ischia, JH Adriatic, and Battaglia Green? It would be nice to know. Does anyone have Monstreuse and/or Vasilika Sika to compare to SV, GI, JHA or BG?

Subject: Bowl full of Celeste? Replies: 29
Posted By: JD Views: 1,203
 
Impressive tree from a cutting from tree planted in the 1920s in SW Louisiana. Now I better understand the term "Heirloom Celeste" and have a measure for it.

Thanks Chapman.

Subject: Bowl full of Celeste? Replies: 29
Posted By: JD Views: 1,203
 
James, Brian and Chapman,
Excellent harvest from your trees. How old are each of your trees? Can you post photos of the trees? Keep preserving, stewing, and canning...

Subject: Smith 2014 Replies: 22
Posted By: JD Views: 1,606
 
You are welcome Frank. It was my pleasure. Those deserve a better home than I can give them and the Back 40 is paradise for fig trees. Is it time for a video update of the Back 40?

Subject: Pecan Fig Chocolate Pie Replies: 8
Posted By: JD Views: 374
 
The culinary fig guy...looks good Frank.

 

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