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Subject: Harvest 2014 Replies: 36
Posted By: JD Views: 1,559
 
Pete,
Thank you. I am thinking I should know that and now I do.

Jon V,
Thanks for maintaining the reference.

Subject: Just a Pic Replies: 17
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Mike,
Nice veins on that fig and a top five fig for you?
Please describe the taste.

Subject: Harvest 2014 Replies: 36
Posted By: JD Views: 1,559
 
Pete,
Will you please share the source of this information?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Petechanr
NL is new life Presbyterian church where the tree was found

Subject: Unknown Purple Italian 2014 ??? Not Likely Replies: 9
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Leon,
If you have photos, please post them for comparison. It would be helpful and much appreciated

Subject: Unknown Purple Italian 2014 ??? Not Likely Replies: 9
Posted By: JD Views: 424
 
Thanks Brent & Danny.
http://figs4fun.com/Thumbnail_Brunswick.html

Subject: Unknown Purple Italian 2014 ??? Not Likely Replies: 9
Posted By: JD Views: 424
 
Edit. This thread was entitled Unknown Purple Italian but clearly that is not what this is. Thanks to forum members more experienced than me, I doing some homework. Once it ripens, I will know for certain. Meanwhile, I changed the title to avoid any confusion.

Unknown Purple Italian
. Gifted three cuttings labeled as Unknown Purple Italian from J. A. Stallone on 31 January 2010. It is a first ever fig for this tree. It is a massive fig that is more than likely not purple with an open eye. It has swollen but it is still as hard as a baseball.

Any thoughts?

This fig may ripen, fall, be eaten, and/or rot without human intervention. Thus this is for the record:

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Subject: Harvest 2014 Replies: 36
Posted By: JD Views: 1,559
 

Petite Negri, Black Mission NL and Smith (from left to right). I ate them in the following order: Black Mission NL, Petite Negri, and Smith. Petite Negri was better than Black Mission NL. Smith is in a different class (but not of its own because Socorro Black is also in the class) due to its acidity and unique flavor profile. Even after the strong taste of Petite Negri, the flavor Smith tasted right through it...similar to hearing Satchmo's trumpet or Sanders' saxophone or Monk's Piano or Hendrix's guitar; very distinctive.

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Subject: Black Mission NL 2014 Replies: 7
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Igor,
NL are the initials of the source of the Black Mission. I do not know whose, whats or wheres initials.

Edit. Thanks Pete

Quote:
Originally Posted by Petechanr
JD, I don't remember who told me this. I was told to look here: http://figs4fun.com/Thumbnail_Black_Mission.html

And the link provides the following information
Quote:
"NL" Accession at Figs 4 Fun 2006 from parent plant at New Life Presbyterian Church, La Mesa, CA

Jon V,
A tasty spotted eggplant. Welcome to Florida. Given that this was its first ever, if there are futures, then I suspect them to resemble the Cali-style Black Missions.


Subject: Petite Negri 2014 Replies: 17
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Thanks.

Steve,
Yes, I would grow both Vdb and Petite Negri here in 8B.
Yes, when compared to the growing habits of other figs, Petite Negri does not grow as rapidly.

shah8,
No, they are not brebas. They are about two to three weeks earlier than last season.

Subject: Petite Negri 2014 Replies: 17
Posted By: JD Views: 985
 
Petite Negri. It just gets better with time (I think that is the name of a song by The Whispers). Same story as last year. It is a large fig. I think it is the Miles Davis trumpet of figs. Outstanding, complex, not figgy (like Celeste), not sweet (as Celeste) but jammy thick with a Wow factor that most figs this size do not have. The first fig of the season worried me because of the amber pulp color and the watery taste but there had been two days of heavy rain. The second fig was true to form and spent three days in the Fig Protection Program. 

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Subject: Smith 2014 Replies: 22
Posted By: JD Views: 1,606
 
More photographs of this tasty beast. Look at the crooked, bloody, partially toothed...NHL post-fight smile on this fig!

The Smith flavor profile rang true even after I had a Black Mission NL followed by a Miles Davis solo trumpet playing Petite Negri (excellent no doubt but solo). The acidity of the Smith is fantastic (for my taste buds)

I am concerned about it splitting which did not occur last year. I am not concerned about the fact that it has also produced an order of magnitude more figs than it did last year; I like that. My corrective action plan is to do nothing for one tree to decrease the watering frequency of the brother tree by 1/4.

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Subject: Black Mission NL 2014 Replies: 7
Posted By: JD Views: 711
 
Black Mission NL. Purchased three cuttings on eBay from Encanto Farms (Jon V) on 13 March Two Thousand 10. More than four years later, a fig ripens and it is the first ever. I almost gave up on the tree (and I still may) but not yet. This first fig was good. I prefer medium to small dark figs but this large dark fig was good. Better than expected in the rain. It was juicy, sweet and tastes like a mission (good figs).

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Subject: Smith 2014 Replies: 22
Posted By: JD Views: 1,606
 
Frank,
Looking forward to your description of Smith this yer but more interested in next year after it has acclimated to the Back 40, much better care, and space for roots to spread and grow. It should be very good.

Subject: Smith 2014 Replies: 22
Posted By: JD Views: 1,606
 
This first-harvested Smith was good. I love the purple veins on this fig. Another day for the sugars to concentrate (if they can) would have been ideal but I needed to enter a few other figs into the Fig Protection Program so this one entered my stomach as part of the Program to Eat Breakfast.

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Flavor. Is comparable only to Socorro Black (for me). It is not a sweet fig as there are figs with a sweeter flavor profile. Smith is complex, rich and it has some subtle undertones that I cannot pinpoint - maybe someone who drinks wine will describe it better than I have. It is berry flavored with a slight acidity that makes it finish smoothly on the palate. This is different from Celeste and other sweet figs that have a sugary intense after taste, i.e., almost a sugar burn that beckons for salt or acid to balance it.

Texture. The seeds offer a texture that I prefer. It has a hollow interior and an eye that is not closed and will be a problem in heavy rains. And it is unlikely that this fig can actually concentrate it sugars like others with a closed or better protected eye.


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Subject: JD is the man! Replies: 7
Posted By: JD Views: 511
 
Thank you Frank, Navid, Bill, Will, and Tony for the encomium. There are a countless number of members who have shared and continue to give. We must continue to share and to pay it forward. What makes it special for me is having fun, giving, learning, laughing, and having a backyard that tastes good with a forum of friends who help me keep it that way. I also appreciate having friends who have ODC and those who have realized and manifested some part of what I think I want to do if I were crazy enough, free enough, or not working enough; seeing those post makes me shake my head and say DAMN that's good.

Thanks again. Now please get back to the work of posting photographs and asking questions. This is about US.

Subject: Atreano 2014 Replies: 8
Posted By: JD Views: 429
 
Wayne,
As your Smith matures, they get 'less ugly' and develop purple veins against its green base. The taste gets better as well. Frustratingly slow but unquestionably worth the wait.

Frank,
I hear you and understand. I will take my own medicine.

Subject: Atreano 2014 Replies: 8
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Wayne,
Hard to score because of the other figs I am harvesting at the same time. This first one tasted muted and watered down because it was. It was unprotected and the birds did not touch it. That is a telling sign. Let's see what happens with the next several that are threatening to ripe soon. No rain for the next several days.

Subject: Baskinta Brown 2014 Replies: 7
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I believe Baskinta Brown is an improved Celeste. The markers are the leaves, size, taste, shape, and earliness. It is figgy, sweet, and damn good like a good Celeste should be. Every fig grower should have a no holds bar good producer of quality figs. Baskinta Brown can be it but not for me because the competition here in 8B is fierce.

Subject: Fig Protection Program (FPP) Replies: 4
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Mike,
Five days. No damage to the tree by the container via weight or confinement. Only frustrated birds. The leaves are only slight more crunched up than they are when shipping a layer or rooted cutting. For the wear, the leaves look no different than they would after netting. I tried netting a weekend ago and it was dinner as usual for the birds.

The containers have holes. Thus water is repelled or runs through. The water does not collect and as a result, it does not add weight.

Subject: Battaglia Green 2014 Replies: 8
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Rafael & Will,
It is breba. There are several more that have an interest in ripening. I will edit the initial post to make that point clear. 

Gene,
It had Level 1 Fig Protection so the two nights of heavy rains had minimal effect. Still the taste was ok. I know it is an excellent green-red fig. The main crop will exhibit a richness, depth of flavor, and slight crunch that exceed well known dark figs. This breba, however, pales in comparison to the main crops that are currently ripening for me in 8B, e.g., Kilmartin Celeste, Foxcroft Celeste, Stallion, Baskinta Brown, and Hardy Chicago.

Subject: Fig Protection Program (FPP) Replies: 4
Posted By: JD Views: 416
 

As the Celestes and others ripen, the birds were enjoying the fruits of our figs labor. Family summer travel + work travel = a five-day window for the birds to feast. I needed a quick fix and here is what I did. The Level 1 Protection was flawless and protected several Smith that my daughter devoured immediately. The Level 0 Protection was effective for all but the Foxcroft Celeste and Kilmartin Celeste where the birds already have a dining history and frequent like a bar. Everywhere else Level 0 was 100% successful. I was particularly pleased with the Hardy Chicago figs that I did not have to share with the birds. It also led to me spamming the forum with 2014 photographs.

Level 1 Protection. Plastic clam shell. 100% success.

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Level 0 Protection. Clothespinned leaf. It rained heavily for two days but this Baskinta Brown was still dead ripe as shown in this post. 100% everywhere the birds had not found figs. On the tree where they had already had figs, this method was useless.


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Subject: Stallion Unknown 2014 Replies: 5
Posted By: JD Views: 369
 
Stallion is an early, figgy, excellent tasting improved Celeste with a "wallop" as Frank (FMD) describes it. Even with heavy rains the past two days only one of many split. These figs were able to dead ripen and crack just a little bit to let me know that they were ready. It has gotten better with time [1][2].

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Subject: Battaglia Green 2014 Replies: 8
Posted By: JD Views: 775
 
Breba

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Subject: Atreano 2014 Replies: 8
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Subject: Baskinta Brown 2014 Replies: 7
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Subject: Dauphine (Not) 2014 Replies: 13
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These figs are juicy and surprisingly sweet. Not may favorite but it is productive and likely much better in a cooler climate. Figs are looking and tasting better than they were in 2013.

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Subject: Improved Celeste 2014 Replies: 14
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Very good figs.

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Subject: A Discussion About LSU Improved Celeste Replies: 34
Posted By: JD Views: 2,196
 
Paul,
Just Fruits and Exotics is reliable and had both the last time I was there (2013).

Subject: Atreano Replies: 52
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Frank,
I understand and still have one. Those yellow orbs are such a tease and a good one.
Your tree is loaded. Do you protect it or are the critters and fowl occupied elsewhere in the Back 40?

Subject: Atreano Replies: 52
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Frank,
I like Atreano but I have not yet had a perfect one like yours from last season. Here's to the hope of 2014. Rain is inevitable for us and for Atreano, that means a James Brownian split.

Subject: --- Adriatic Grasa main + more (PIX) Replies: 16
Posted By: JD Views: 767
 
Grass,
For 8B, JH Adriatic and Battaglia Green are excellent green-red figs. I also have Stawberry Verte (a splitter but mid ripening here), LSU Golden Celeste (super productive) and your Grasa Adriatic for comparison. Many of what I have are not green figs so they have to be good to join the team. JHA and BG are our favorites.

Bob,
Check your PM.

Subject: First Socorro Black Replies: 51
Posted By: JD Views: 2,159
 
Jose,
No need for alarm nor to send more cuttings. I am confident in what you did, what Harvey did, and what I have. I believe this is simply a difference of climate and other variables that cannot be correlated.

Concerning the tree I have from you, the leaves match what you called Socorro Black, they also match the images of the Socorro Fig on your Photobucket page, they match what Paully posted in this thread, and some of the newer leaves match with both Harvey's photo and the Socorro 4 on your PhotoBucket page. I posted the leaves from my tree in an earlier thread (Socorro Black 2011 & 2012). The images in that thread show some finger-like leaves but not as prevalent as shown in Harvey's image or your Socorro 4 images. So if I raised concern, it was not intentional but a simple observation of the plethora of finger-like leaves on Harvey's tree.

We all know that climate, age, potted versus grounded, watering, wasp, sun, owner neglect (mine) each impact the leaves, fruit, growth, etc.

Harvey and others growing Socorro Black,
Once you get fruit, please post photographs. I did not realize how many people were growing Socorro Black. If you have the heat, get and grow it. It is a very good fig.

Subject: First Socorro Black Replies: 51
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Thanks for the photo clarification Harvey. Your leaves are much more finger-like than I have seen on Socorro Black. Not sure that Jose can reconcile it. Nevertheless, I am interested in seeing photographs of your fruit and your description of its taste. Please keep us posted.

Subject: Stallion Unknown 2013 Replies: 28
Posted By: JD Views: 1,193
 
Thanks Frank.
A wallop indeed. Great description...the Stallion Wallop.
I consider it an 'improved' Celeste due to breeding, climate or whatever makes it better than others.

Subject: First Socorro Black Replies: 51
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Harvey,
I agree. The leaves on the second are similar. The leaves on the tree in the first image are finger-like and quite distinct.

Subject: Socorro Black 2011 & 2012 Replies: 42
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Jose,
I looked at the leaves recently but not to compare. Thank for the reminder.

Luke,
I am confident that they are different. I have Black Madeira from UCDavis and from a non UCDavis source. Black Madeira struggles to grow here even when well watered, neglected, potted, grounded, fertilized or some combination of the aforementioned. It does not like heat, humidity and rain. Socorro Black is better suited for life in 8B.

Subject: First Socorro Black Replies: 51
Posted By: JD Views: 2,159
 
Congrats Jose. Look forward to seeing your progress.

Subject: Figo Preto Temporão Replies: 20
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Francisco,
I always enjoy your photographs.
They entice me to travel to Portugal and to breed a fig wasp for Florida.

Subject: First Socorro Black Replies: 51
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Frank,
You are welcome. I missed this thread originally.

Jose,
How are you doing? Good to have you posting. And thanks again for introducing Socorro Black!

Subject: An overdue step over update Replies: 46
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Nice work Will

Subject: Today's haul Replies: 44
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Agreed Gene

Subject: "Blue" Ischia my ass... Replies: 52
Posted By: JD Views: 3,079
 
Interesting. I suppose "Hirt-ing" is defined by blind trust. Is it fair to expect that someone at Hirts sampled the fruit and received photos of the correct Blue Ischia after having sold an untold number of incorrect Blue Ischia? Better...grow and fruit it before selling to the public.

Subject: Today's haul Replies: 44
Posted By: JD Views: 1,660
 
Gene,
I have O'Rourke (from you) and LSU IC (from Just Fruits & Exotics). They are different. They also support the improved Celeste/LSU IC/O'Rourke 1/3/5 lobe discussions that have occured on the forum.

Subject: Bird problem solved--at least for now Replies: 38
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Ken,
I remember your first post on this setup. Good to see that it is "working" better than marginally.

Subject: Today's haul Replies: 44
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Ken,
Good work and a haul for sure. Fresh, preserves, grilled with this and that, pizza, shared or all of the above? Another question: How did they taste?

Subject: Improved Celeste 2014 Replies: 14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam
JD: Does your Improved Celeste have only single and three lobed leaves? My Improved Celeste has only single and three lobed leaves, I have not seen five lobed leaves on mine. Thanks for sharing. Best, Tam

Tam,
Yes. It has single and three lobed leaves. There has been a plethora of discussion about five-lobed leaves and what is "an" improved Celeste as compared to the LSU Improved Celeste.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cis4elk
They look great. My IC isn't a really good grower, I doubt that it is the 1/3 lobed IC-O'Rourke Not that I was wanting when I acquired the cuttings last year. It's getting one more year then its either curtains or a give away.

Calvin,
Search the word "O'Rourke" on the forum and read the first few threads about it. It will provide a historical reference for your statement "1/3 lobed IC-O'Rourke".

Subject: "Blue" Ischia my ass... Replies: 52
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Frank,
It could have been mislabeled but this feels TyTy-ish.

Subject: Giving Away Three JH Adriatic :: ALL GONE Replies: 18
Posted By: JD Views: 713
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FigaroNewton
Lol...gonna have to start camping out here on the forums. Well done Mr. JD, and congrats to you'se that got'em. =)
regards,
bill o.

Bill,
Please send me your mailing address.
I know I have a Smith layer and quite possibly a Battaglia Green. Do you have RdB?


Quote:
Originally Posted by waynea
Hey JD, did you say that Maltese Falcon will be the next 3?? LOL   I also will camp out!!

waynea,
Don't camp out. It will be frustrating. In time with patience and good deeds, your collection will grow. I am only paying forward what I have been given and replicating the deeds I have observed and experienced personally. When you give people never forget that you gave. And this forum is simply that: a gift of giving - advice, encouragement, support, a listening ear, a combative dissonance along with layers, cuttings and potted trees.

Subject: Giving Away Three JH Adriatic :: ALL GONE Replies: 18
Posted By: JD Views: 713
 
GONE.

Pete, Mike and Tony,
Please PM me your mailing address.

Subject: Improved Celeste 2014 Replies: 14
Posted By: JD Views: 814
 
Thanks all.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PHD
JD, thanks for taking the time to post pictures and describe the taste of the LSU improved Celeste. One question have you had a chance to compare this fig with a "regular" celeste ? and if yes how different was the flavor and ripening time.
Peter


Peter,

Yes, I have compared it with 'regular' Celestes named Foxcroft, Kilmartin, Meridian and one from FMD as well as what I believe to be an 'improved' celeste named Stallion.

Concerning Ripening. Here in 8B in my backyard, LSU IC ripens earlier by one week (at the shortest) to two and a half weeks (longest). When coloring starts after the swell, it takes about two days to ripen and 3-4 days to be dead ripe. The mocking bird enjoy them on the first day. If undisturbed, it will dry on the tree. All of the Celeste family are ripening at this time. If not for the mocking birds, it would be a very good start of the season.

Regarding Flavor. For my taste buds, LSU IC has deeper, more mature figgy flavor without the 'sweet burn' compared to a 'regular' Celeste that is more sugar sweet, juicy and really good.

 

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