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Subject: Mad @ Black Madeira Replies: 38
Posted By: JD Views: 1,772
Upon closer inspection and reading fundamentally, I now know that I have two different strains of Black Madeira. Of the potted two, one is from Jon and the other from UCDavis. According to the photos, both put out growth in March but have since stalled. I moved both potted Black Madeiras to tree covered shade with direct morning sun only and the in-ground (from UCDavis) will get some shade protection as well.

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Subject: Trade? Replies: 20
Posted By: JD Views: 1,638

I like what you wrote. Good first step because you didn't apologize and you didn't need to. Keep doing that, i.e., be yourself, share your thoughts, and you will not wait 1-2 years to get cuttings. It will likely be this Fall/Winter - if not sooner - when everything goes dormant and folks take cuttings. There will be open calls for cuttings (sometimes only for the cost of shipping) and even extra fig trees. One of the most generous is Jason; I recall at least three times this year that he made an open announcement for free cuttings and his modus operandi is to never ask for the cost of shipping. And he doesn't hold grudges (no reason to); like many of us. Now you know, now you grow.

Welcome to the Forum and enjoy it!

Subject: Improved Celeste 2011 & 2012 Replies: 39
Posted By: JD Views: 3,339
This LSU Improved Celeste story does *not* end with a pretty picture of a fig. Too much rain, too late at night, too quick, too wet, too covered, too distracted, too busy. Man oh man! I picked this one today and to my surprise, the last breba was 'dead ripe'.

Following Sal's lead, here is what happens when things do *not* go as planned. And YES, I sure did! The tip of a sharp pairing knife works wonders. Sweet. Jam-like consistency. Figgy taste. Overall: Tasty with a slight moldy twang.

Note: I am concerned about the eye being a bit more open than I expected.

FYI: The main crop has started.

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Subject: My little slice of fig heaven Replies: 14
Posted By: JD Views: 1,126
Very nice 7deuce! Well manicured lawn and I appreciate the uniformity of the trees. Nice how you have maintained the tree form at a manageable height. You and Martin have a similar talent.

Subject: Trade? Replies: 20
Posted By: JD Views: 1,638
Check your PM.

Subject: Black Bethlehem Picture Replies: 16
Posted By: JD Views: 1,330
Very nice Martin! You have the best figs in pots that I have ever seen. I will start the fig shuffle at the beginning of next season and do my best this season to maintain a liquid fertilizer routine; it ain't easy! I believe the fig shuffle (and the regular fertilizing routine to a lesser degree) is critical to the repeatable, predictable success that you continue to have. It is on display in the healthy, beautiful fig trees and fruit you routinely share in your pictures.

Amidst the praise, I would like to echo Cecil's comment about your main crop appearing to be somewhat different than what Olga posted and different from the images that Bass at Trees of Joy. The one fig I had in 2010 (attached) seems to be different and my 2011 main crop (Images 2-5) look a little different from your second photo; not as elongated.

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Subject: Mad @ Black Madeira Replies: 38
Posted By: JD Views: 1,772
@ Olga. Very very nice looking Black Madeira. How much time to get that growth?

@ Gene. Please do tell...I love to learn...What did you do?

Subject: Mad @ Black Madeira Replies: 38
Posted By: JD Views: 1,772
@ Jason. Post please. Consider it a source of inspiration not frustration. I will take more than a few idling figs to frustrate me; and it would be nice to have BM, CdD, and VdB exploding like everything else but I can be patient. Frustrating is missing a fig tree...

@ Rafed. Thanks for the encouragement. I am thankful that they woke up from dormancy. I suppose this is a test of patience. I am good with that and I have one hand on the Foilage Pro. FYI. There was a report today on the evening news that man was seen speeding on a motorcycle headed the wrong way on I-20 East with an assault rifle, infant child, and large 4' fig tree strapped to his back. I considered him a suspect!

The thunderstorms are krazee tonight in Tallahassee.

Subject: Mad @ Black Madeira Replies: 38
Posted By: JD Views: 1,772
I have read (and know first-hand) that is a beast to root Black Madeira (BM). I have one BM in ground and two BM in pots. All are at a stand still with no new growth.

Questions: Does Black Madeira struggle to grow in the south/southeast? Has anyone in 8/8b/9/10 successfully rooted and fruited Black Madeira?

It is almost July and (along with Chico Strawberry, Col de Dame, Panachee, VdB, and until recently RdB), the BM is just idling along with no active growth. Every other fig in the 'orchard' has 6+ inches of new growth.

Here is a not so useful but interesting tidbit, I have read a hypothesis that Preto might be BM. I have two Preto in pots. Both are actively growing and one has a breba that should ripen soon. Same physical location, same sun, same water, same fertilizing, same potting medium (I think), different pot sizes (could that be it? The BM is in one gallon pot and the Preto is in 1.5 maybe 2 gallon pot)

My current thought is to liquid fertilize the BM at regular strength for the next several weeks. It already has a CRF (Controlled Released Fertilizer namely Florikan 18-6-8). I am thinking that it either GROWS or BURNS...

Any advice - good or bad, proven or unproven - would be greatly appreciated!

PS: I hope to post a few photos tomorrow.

Subject: Sal Corleone and Others Pics Replies: 23
Posted By: JD Views: 1,993
Very nice Sal! IC, MVSB and Black Unknown look tastee...

Subject: A few brebas Replies: 2
Posted By: JD Views: 723
Leeesaah! Looks good here and in these photos. The large eye might be a troublemaker outside of paradise and down here in the South. Jon, do you have any more information regarding Lisa's tolerance to heat/humidity/rain?

Subject: OT - Mangoes Replies: 64
Posted By: JD Views: 3,508
Mango & key lime ice cream! Sounds and looks good! Recipe?

@Ben. Thanks for the invitation. Does Nam Doc Mai ripen into July? If so, your doorbell will be ringing next month. I think two up to four of the trees are Haden (but different sun, soil, rain, etc. produces a different size and taste), and two trees that are different than Haden, TBD, and good!

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Subject: OT - Mangoes Replies: 64
Posted By: JD Views: 3,508
@Jason. PITA for sure. I am just hoping I can avoid the spraying routine that folks say I *need* to have to grow plums. Are you spraying? If so, what?

@Bass. Check your PM. Thrilled to have something you like. Shipping is ridiculous right now. It was cheaper for me to courier them personally then to ship six or seven 40# boxes.

Subject: OT - Mangoes Replies: 64
Posted By: JD Views: 3,508
The pomegranate is to the right of the red self watering container with the mango in it. To the left of the orange bins are 1) chickasaw plums with leaves all along the stem and 2) persimmon root stock with bare stems and leaves only at the top.

Subject: First Figs! Replies: 11
Posted By: JD Views: 820
If you have staggered ripening with only a few ripening on any given Sunday, then you should consider what maverick did. I have and it is working well. Time and a hungry bird, squirrel, or coon will be the ultimate test.

Subject: OT - Mangoes Replies: 64
Posted By: JD Views: 3,508
I agree. 10 mangoes a day is easy.

I am trying to grow mangoes here in 8b. I planted one the ground last year but it was killed by the cold and frost (I was/am a novice with regards to cold protection). I also kept four other mango trees in an unheated garage and all four made it. I have read that they like alternating wet/dry conditions, thus my current conditions may not be best for optimal growth and to promote flowering but we'll see. I have one in a self-watering container that is pushing out new leaves weekly. I am considering a small but well-insulated and heated greenhouse for overwintering a few tropical fruit trees here in 8b.

Subject: First Figs! Replies: 11
Posted By: JD Views: 820
Hey Miguel,

Nice tree and thanks for posting the photos. If you are not battling birds or concerned with other land based critters, then I echo Jason's comments. If you can give those figs a few more days to ripen and 'get ugly' on the tree, then I believe you will be very pleased with the results. I know I am. Dan calls it 'dead ripe'. It looks dead but boy is it ripe! Here are two pictures...saves me 2K words.

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Subject: Improved Celeste 2011 & 2012 Replies: 39
Posted By: JD Views: 3,339
Tanlgefoot. I noticed these critters that were smaller than what I normally call ants climbing all over the fig. I needed security so I removed the 'ants', wrapped the tape lightly, added the goo, and felt better.

Subject: OT - Mangoes Replies: 64
Posted By: JD Views: 3,508
Ten. Surprised us all. "Can I have another one?" was the call of the day. Notice the variation in size of the mangoes and the seed accounts for about 20-25%.

Subject: OT - Mangoes Replies: 64
Posted By: JD Views: 3,508
Off topic but I couldn't family and I love mangoes. Every summer, we get mango fever and one way or another (usps mail or couriered by a friend, family member, or us personally, we get about 4 shipments (2-3 banana boxes) of mangoes each summer. Enough to have mangoes for breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, and we did today and enough to freeze for smoothies or thawing just until the are still super cold but not yet thawed out.

Friday at 7 PM, I had just finished a conference in Orlando. I bolted to South Florida to a) see my parents and b) to get some mangoes from the two trees in my parent's backyard and visit a few other regular mango locations. On Saturday at 7:30 PM, I was headed back to Tallahassee with a truck plus half of a backseat filled with six different types of 'unknown' mangoes (261 total). I was expecting only four different mangoes but we 'found' two additional trees *and* a cashew nut tree while leaving a new tree location.

Our six year old daughter ate ten (10) mangoes today.

Here is the cashew nut tree...

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Subject: Improved Celeste 2011 & 2012 Replies: 39
Posted By: JD Views: 3,339
This is the last breba. I hope we get to taste it. Haven't had one of these IC breba yet. Although it looks good, I will leave it until it is 'dead ripe'. Using a quart strawberry container for protection; see in attached images (thanks maverick!). Also, I noticed that the main crop has begun to form figlets.

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Subject: HC from Lowes Replies: 37
Posted By: JD Views: 2,867
@ Dan. I toured that whole nursery (Simpson Nurseries) in Monticello, FL earlier this year. They have quite an outfit. According to Beshears (one of the brothers, I think it was Rob) they propagate and wholesale just about every fruit that grows in the Southeast; he said they even grow some fruits that retail only in Kentucky. Also said they wholesale to Lowes and HD across the southeast. I saw those pseudo nursery pots with the pictures of the fruit all over the places and those tags just above the graft. Acres and acres of plant/tree material in different stages of growth.

Subject: A Few Winner Celeste Strains Replies: 16
Posted By: JD Views: 1,810
Thanks for giving us a peak at this ongoing observation/study/trial. Good photos!

I am interested in reading more about the Celeste family history. Meanwhile, it is homework time for me...For example, what are your cultivar's crossed with?

Celeste :: An emeritus Celeste; the queen's sister?
LSU Gold :: Celeste x ??
Hunt :: Celeste's parent?
LSU Improved Celeste :: offspring of the queen's 2nd marriage
O'Rourke :: sport of the queen's 3rd marriage officiated by Dr. O'Rourke
Celestial :: ?
Celeste FL :: ?
Blue Celeste :: Celeste x ?
Blue Bingo ::  Celeste x ?

Subject: Pinching and removing leaves Replies: 7
Posted By: JD Views: 809
Good test Gene. Thanks for the summary and the photos. I will keep pinching also.

Subject: Improved Celeste 2011 & 2012 Replies: 39
Posted By: JD Views: 3,339
It looked good but is now gone! Not sure what happy but it was definitely critter related. No traces of the fig but the stem of its nearest neighbor was still attached to the main trunk. 2 of 3 in one visit. Only one breba left. Dyam. I am looking forward to the main crop, if I have one.

Squirrels. I put out a feeder this morning to try to keep them full, happy, away from the fruit, and to reinstate the squirrel transition program (STP). Having them gather morning and night for breakfast and dinner in one location, distracted makes it easier to operate the program: pump, safety, scope, thump.

Subject: Vista Replies: 55
Posted By: JD Views: 6,588
Questions and points of reference...
  • UC Davis has a Vista as well as Encanto which is a Vista seedling.
  • Jon acquired a seedling labeled Vista Black Mission which is said/known/claimed to have no relation to Black Mission; it makes sense to call it Vista.
  • Vista is good. Good in paradise. Good in Jersey. Where else is it good? Folks in the South and Southeast are curious.
  • Via experience and observation, Herman notes similarities to VdB.
  • Via empirical DNA testing, it is said that UC Davis concluded that Vista and VdB are genetically 'related'. Let's keep the word 'identical', I think I introduced it, out of the conversation...for now. Here is what UC Davis wrote in the link that Jon posted :

    "Comparison of multilocus genotypes revealed many instances of apparent synonymy or misidentification of cultivar names. The CA [cluster analysis] using the neighbor-joining method revealed ten groups (Fig. 1) and subgroups were evident within each of them. Interestingly, the groups contained an assortment of Smyrna, Common, and San Pedro type figs interspersed with occasional Caprifigs, suggesting that the sex expression in fig is simply inherited and the different fig types share a common gene pool. The CA unraveled 32 instances of synonymy at least involving two cultivars. In most cases the cultivars within the synonymous groups showed a high degree of morphological similarity with respect to tree architecture, vegetative and pomological characteristics.

    For example, figs with different names but identical multilocus fingerprint included: (1) six greenish-yellow figs with strawberry-yellow flesh inlcuded ‘Lemon’, ‘Dokkar’, ‘L.S.U. Everbearing’, ‘White Texas Everbearing’, and ‘Trojano’ characterized by a widely grown cultivar ‘Kadota’; (2) five greenish-yellow to light brown skinned figs with light amber to yellow colored pulp included ‘Archipel’, ‘Malcolm’s Super Giant’, ‘Drap D’or’, and ‘Encanto Brown Turkey’ with two other closely related cultivars, ‘Alma’ and ‘Golden Celeste’; (3) three medium sized purple/black figs ‘Vista’, ‘Violette de Bordeaux’, and ‘Beers Black’; (4) two green figs with amber flesh ‘Verte’ and ‘Calverte’; and (5) three green figs with thick rind with light strawberry flesh ‘Paradiso’, ‘Monstrueuse’, and ‘Ischia Green.’"

According to UC Davis, Vista and VdB, a) share a common gene pool, b) have a high degree of morphological similarity with respect to tree architecture, vegetative and pomological characterisitics, and c) have different names but identical multilocus fingerprint. Well, I suppose that doesn't mean 'identical' but it more than likely means 'fraternal'.

PS: I'll decipher all of this when I wake up in the morning. I changed my reservation to stay in a Holiday Inn Express... :~)

Subject: protect your fruit and recycle Replies: 22
Posted By: JD Views: 1,731
Excellent idea! I wish I had read this post before I went on travel for a few days.

@ Maverick. Close, however, I cannot tell from the photos but I suppose that you are snapping the containers over the branches versus snapping on the stems and risking early detachment due to wind or rain. If so, a part of the branch that the to-be-protected fig hangs from is also inside of the container.

Subject: Vista Replies: 55
Posted By: JD Views: 6,588
Vista at noon. VdB at 8 o'clock. Blue Celeste a 4 o'clock.

Thanks Herman. Looking forward to a clearer image.

Subject: Vista Replies: 55
Posted By: JD Views: 6,588
I too am not sure if Vista is worth having in the Southeast. I also avoided it because of its Black Mission roots but now that is in question. Since we don't know, then we have to try. I am doing my homework first.

Does anyone here in the Southeast have a mature Vista that has delivered a modest main crop at least once in its lifetime?

My take away is that the Black Mission nomenclature of Vista Black Mission is likely a misnomer. In terms of lineage, what I have read in this thread is that Herman and Jon claim/know that Vista is genetically linked to VdB. Thus it is not clear to me that Vista should be compared to Black Mission. We know the history of naming screw ups reading this thread, a Vista to VdB comparison like the one Herman started seems to be a good path.

Subject: Vista Replies: 55
Posted By: JD Views: 6,588
@ Ed. Thanks for starting this thread.

@ Herman. Thanks for the photographs. Do you have pictures of the fruits from those trees? A hybrid with VdB mother and unknown father. Interesting theory and it would still maintain the accuracy of the UC Davis testing. I checked out in hopes of finding what they written about Vista Black Mission.

@ Jon. Did you have a reference for the testing mentioned here "[Jon] acquired a fig labeled "Vista Black Mission" but DNA testing at USDA/UC Davis proved it to be a VDB."?

Fun stuff: The Search for the Origins of Vista!

Subject: Improved Celeste 2011 & 2012 Replies: 39
Posted By: JD Views: 3,339
Improved Celeste. Traveling for the next several days. Per custom, I did a final walk around before leaving and look what I find! I wanted to mark this date with these photographs because watering is not the priority it would be when the primary care giver is on site. Also instead of hoping this LSU IC breba goes undetected by my backyard bandits, b.k.a., squirrels and mocking birds, I took the time to not-so-simply move the bird netting from the LSU Scott's Black to the LSU IC. I know the main crop is the real treat with LSU IC but there are no signs of main crop and I am not expecting any. This tree never went dormant (I got it after it was overwintered in a greenhouse) and it is being acclimated to growing in 'the wild'.

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Subject: Vista Replies: 55
Posted By: JD Views: 6,588

I believe that one small part of the answer is naming convention and the rest is about the fig gospel - soil, medium, rain, sunlight, fertilizer, watering, micro climate, heat, humidity, disease (a.k.a. FMV), hardiness which all point to determining the "nature" of the select cultivar.

In the 4th post in this thread, John wrote:
Jon said previously that he acquired a fig labeled "Vista Black Mission" but DNA testing at USDA/UC Davis proved it to be a VDB.
So genetically, "Vista = VDB" which may or may not mean that it will behave in the same manner as VdB. I have my conviction and until further notice, I am thinking identical twins at this point. In the 5th post of this thread, Jon follows with a statement that hints at the naming convention but speaks (by using the word 'performance') directly to the gospel:
[Vista] Performs better than any VdB (that was so labeled) that I have.
Vista may not outperform VdB here in 8B Florida. But I have an idea of how some other figs perform and look here versus there in paradise. Thus for me those statements are good indicators.

Subject: Vista Replies: 55
Posted By: JD Views: 6,588
For those who have it and have eaten its fruits, can you post a few recent photos of your tree, leaves, and fruit? I have seen Jon's photos but I curious to know what it looks like and how it performs elsewhere.

It is good to hear that Vista = VdB; and in paradise, not only is Vista better than VdB but that it is superior to most other figs.

@ Jon. In your opinion, what figs grade out better than Vista? I suppose I ask why? as well. I would guess that Black Madeira is one such fig.

Subject: LSU Scott's Black 2011 & 2012 Replies: 39
Posted By: JD Views: 3,500
Should *not* be too much different from the parentage of its 'relatives' described in the publication announcing O'Rourke, Champagne, and Tiger. Are those early ripeners? Each is Celeste crossed with C1, a California Capri. However, after reading Herman's post, it may not be crossed with C1. Nevertheless, as an example,
‘Scott's Black’ is a selection from a group of seedlings derived from a cross of 'Celeste' x 'C1’ (a Capri fig from California). The cross was made in 195X and the selection made by Ed O'Rourke in 196X and tested as 5X-1X-12X.
Both Herman and Dan have liken the taste of the main crop of LSU Scott's Black to that of VdB. Once I  taste VdB, then this will be more meaningful for me.

Subject: LSU Scott's Black 2011 & 2012 Replies: 39
Posted By: JD Views: 3,500
Regarding taste...Not much to add from what I wrote in the first post of this thread: The breba are sweet, juicy, not figgy and not yet rich or complex as Dan notes is his previous post, but I am excited that this tree has to be "dynamite". I like how the pulp bleeds into the skin and I am looking forward to tasting the main crop.

Interesting thought on Black Celeste and Scott's Black. Durio sells them both and describes them as such:
scott's black - An older Louisiana State University release that produces large, black figs having red pulp late in the season.

Black Celeste - Identical to 'Celeste' in taste, appearance and ripening season.  The only differences are that the skin color is bluish black and that the figs crack less than do those of 'Celeste'.

Subject: LSU Scott's Black 2011 & 2012 Replies: 39
Posted By: JD Views: 3,500
So #4 of five was good and is gone. The breba are good. If you look closely in photos 015 (at six o'clock) and 019 (at almost three o'clock) (mouseover to get filenames), you will see a very small ant. The ants were not "in" the fig but they were definitely trying and/or enjoying the honey sealing the eye. A family of fifteen moved out between picking it and eating it. I checked closely to see if anything was crawling around inside before I shared it with my wife. Negative. The eye isn't closed but it was certainly sealed.

Subject: a list of closed eye varieties Replies: 36
Posted By: JD Views: 10,413
Thanks Nelson.

Subject: a list of closed eye varieties Replies: 36
Posted By: JD Views: 10,413
Nelson, Jon, and Sue,

Can you (or anyone else) confirm this?

* Bêbera Preta is known as Abebereira. There is a large and small variety. Does the large variety reside in Point Loma, San Diego, CA? along with
* Bêbera Branca is known as "Branca" and
* Fico Preto is known as "Preto"

Subject: a list of closed eye varieties Replies: 36
Posted By: JD Views: 10,413
Thanks for bumping this thread. Good info.

For clarity and completeness, will you please confirm the following?

Gino's = Gino's Black
Gene's = Gene's Sal's (which is supposed to be Sal's EL, right?)
Late Black = LSU Late Black
Scott's Black = LSU Scott's Black
Sal's = ???

Subject: Info for Citrus Growers only Replies: 23
Posted By: JD Views: 1,679
I'll be "curing" some clementines very soon.

Subject: Bird netting - Replies: 16
Posted By: JD Views: 2,338

Here is my nickel's worth:

I like the idea of the bamboo frames if you have easy access to your plants. I can see your property populated with what looks like a nation of green teepees.

One other thought to consider is a scaled version of  what Ken has done with EMT and 17 gauge wire. Constructing a few of those (with 8' centers and 7' sides) versus having to individually cover each tree might be effective as well as cost and time efficient.

Subject: Info for Citrus Growers only Replies: 23
Posted By: JD Views: 1,679
Good information and good thread!

I stumbled upon this with some clementines that we left on the counter and went on vacation some time ago. I hadn't given it a thought until now. Now I have to intentionally try this.


Where was that wire shelf where you put the basket? Was it dark? Cool? Low humidity? Also, have you 'stored' a Meyer Lemon?

Subject: Hunt 2011 & 2012 Replies: 13
Posted By: JD Views: 1,394
Concerning Hunt from Encanto, main crop has small figs but tree is in bad shape. Air-layering and heavy fertilizing to save some part of it. Meanwhile, it ripened a breba and it is putting out fig buds.

Concerning LSU Scott's Black from JFE, no main crop yet. I removed 16 breba in hope and preparation for a main crop. Since it was overwintered in a warm greenhouse, I believe that altered its regular growth rhythm and harmonics.

Concerning LSU Improved Celeste from JFE, no main crop yet. It had 16 breba and thirteen were knocked off. If/when/once the three (3) LSU IC ripen, I'll post a few photos.

Subject: LSU Scott's Black 2011 & 2012 Replies: 39
Posted By: JD Views: 3,500
Here is the second to last unripe breba (fourth of 5)...with today's treat right behind it!

Subject: LSU Scott's Black 2011 & 2012 Replies: 39
Posted By: JD Views: 3,500
Source: Just Fruits and Exotics

I took the following photo just before I bought it (I think I may have posted this photo previously). According to JFE, it was overwintered in a warm greenhouse. Obviously it did well (20+ breba).

I removed 75% of the breba (all but five). The photo of the breba in my original post is the third of five that have ripen. I picked the first two breba too early because I was worried about the birds, about to travel, and had not installed the bird netting.

Subject: Hunt 2011 & 2012 Replies: 13
Posted By: JD Views: 1,394
You can have as much of this double dose of high 90s as you like. Right now, it is 99 degrees with 95% humidity. I'll even bottle it up for you. Would you like 20 ounce cans, 2 liter bottles, 24 sports bottles, a 65 gallon barrel? Your call...we have it all!

Subject: LSU Scott's Black 2011 & 2012 Replies: 39
Posted By: JD Views: 3,500
Picked and eaten today: (Breba) Sweet and juicy with a delicate crunch. Simple flavor but have read that the main crop has a rich and complex flavor; if so, LSU Scott's Black is good here in 8B.


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Subject: Hunt 2011 & 2012 Replies: 13
Posted By: JD Views: 1,394
(Breba) Picked & eaten today: Sweet with a jam-like consistency. Dense pulp and minimal seeds.


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Subject: Is that normal? Replies: 33
Posted By: JD Views: 1,781
@Jason. Mine aren't that yellow...anymore. I have a wide range of leaf colors for the potted plants (and I showed the worst) but most are doing well. And once in ground, the leaf color is pretty much uniform. I have a few conjectures but nothing that hasn't been said before about container culture: pot size/color/drainage, watering, media, sunlight, stress, fertilizing, climate, and variety are all factors. Good thing figs just grow even with all this tinkering that I have done over the few weeks.

@Cecil. I went back a looked to see which plants were actively growing, i.e., in a growth spurt. About 4 out of 10 with another 3 out of 10 showing signs. Hopefully, the 1868 CRF treatment will jump start the others

Subject: Is that normal? Replies: 33
Posted By: JD Views: 1,781
I had the same yellow-green concern. It is the reason why took such an interest in Herman's discussion about limestone and then asked a few questions of my own.

In trying to fix (different from solve) the problem 1) I put up a shade cover; 2) Some days later, I added about a handful of calcitic limestone chips to the one gallon pots and two handfuls (or more) to the larger pots. I simply wanted a layer of limestone that would harden when dry and get peanut butter sticky when watered; and 3) Some days later, I fertilized with Florikan 18-6-8. I followed the application instructions on the bag. Daygrower (Jim) and the folks at Just Fruits and Exotics directed me towards the product. It is *not* an organic product and I cannot tell you how well it works...yet.

Several days later (10 maybe), the trend of increasing yellow-green leaves has ended and clearly the leaves are greening up. Here is my simple observation: the 'green' of the leaves of the potted figs now more closely match the 'green' of the leaves of the figs in the ground. Not sure, but I hope that is a good thing.

I thought this was a watering problem and it well may have been; but I have not change my watering schedule. I did increase watering just this week because of the expected highs in the high 90s recently (96 and 98) and we are expecting highs of 99 (today), 100, 102, and 102 over the next three days.


Here is how they looked then...

It is difficult to tell in this photo, but after adding the shade, limestone, and Florikan; the plants got much better. As of today, here is the best example. Yes, those very yellow "it must be Winter looking" leaves have dropped. The leaves appear to be greener, shiner, and more healthy-looking than they were before; and it isn't just the morning sunlight.


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