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Subject: Black Madeira in the humid south Replies: 5
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 657
My BM tree isn't big enough to produce fruit yet. But I have had Preto ripen here in KY. I realize the heat and humidity isn't quite the same here as what you get but we do get a fair amount of both. Some years we get a lot of rain, other summers temps are over 100F and very dry. 

Although I have no experience with BM yet, my Preto has produced some excellent, fully ripe, fruits that didn't spoil here. It's been said to be almost identical in fruit quality as the BM. The flavor is beyond compare.

I wish you the best with your Black Madiera there in SE. TX.

Subject: Storing Cuttings Replies: 22
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Dave said: "I have stored cuttings over a year and gotten most of them to root."

Yep Dave, it seems most fig cuttings can be stored for a year with very little loss in viability. I have many pieces that have been waiting that long and longer for me to root them. Hopefully, most will still be good to go ;) .

Subject: Storing Cuttings Replies: 22
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 2,610
Yes, it is pretty interesting how resilient fig tree cuttings can be when stored properly. Most typical hardwood cuttings seem to be done within a year or less - even when stored the same way. There may be some variation between types of fig trees as well. I haven't fully tested that theory though.

Bear in mind the above cuttings weren't stored for a full 4 years. I put them in the fridge at the end of '09 & then started them in early '13 as is indicated by the date on the cup. But still, 3 yrs and some months. I do still have a couple of pieces of these left in the fridge. I haven't checked on them in months. It will be interesting to see how they look. When I get the chance to look at them I'll post about that here.

This was all part of a deliberate experiment to see just how long fig cuttings might remain viable when stored using the best method I know of.

I wouldn't recommend doing this with some rare varieties or some than you really cherish & would hate to lose.

Just an added note here. I have also been practicing dipping cuttings in wax before storing them the same way (as outlined in post #4 & #17) for a couple of years now. This could even increase the storage time. Only time will tell on that though.

Fun stuff.

Subject: Storing Cuttings Replies: 22
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 2,610
Tim is right. Axier outlined in post #4 what may the best possible way for storing fig cuttings long-term. I had stored some Italian Honey cuttings in a plastic bag in my crisper for about a year before I learned about this method. (In fact I learned it from Axier himself). At that time, I took the IH cuttings out and and wrapped them in plastic wrap and them placed them in a freezer bag.  These cuttings were stored in the fridge from 2009 until 2012. Last February I took some out and rooted them, as can be seen in the picture below.

1) Never add any moisture to cuttings you'd like to store for any length of time (this goes for shipping them anywhere as well).
2) Cleaning and disinfecting them helps to reduce any chance of mold growth.
3) Make sure they are completely dry before storing them.
4) Make sure your cuttings are clearly labeled. 
5) Be sure to wrap them securely in plastic kitchen wrap.
6) Seal them up in zipper type freezer bags.
7) Place them anywhere you like as long as they're in the refrigerator ;) .

Follow these suggestions and your cuttings are good for a storage period of at least 6 mos. As has been demonstrated it's likely that many fig cuttings will last for even longer than that.

These cuttings continued to grow into small trees until I managed to kill them from neglect later in the summer:

IH 2-27-13.jpg 

Subject: Announcement! Fig Name Change/Clarification Replies: 7
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 741
Ed;  The "Paradiso Nero" name originally came from Mario - the original US owner of this variety. That's the name he gave me originally and that's what we went with. I'm guessing that someone from his hometown gave him the wrong name at first ? That's just a guess and I suppose Mario would be the best person to answer this.

Bob; I'm not sure. This was the first PN I had heard of.

Tony; I can only assume that's right since, apparently, there is an Acciano Italy -

Maybe Mario will see this thread and chime in. He is really the right guy to give you the most accurate answers to the questions you've asked. In short, I am more the purveyor of this variety than the originator :-} . Just following directions and trying to do my part to keep the original Italian name of this fig alive.

Subject: Announcement! Fig Name Change/Clarification Replies: 7
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 741
I just wanted to start this thread to make sure everyone is aware of the name change/clarification on the fig formerly dubbed Paradiso Nero. That was, apparently, a misnomer.

Mario visited his family in Italy this year and it was clarified to him that he was calling that fig by the wrong name. A simple mistake.

Paradiso Nero is, in fact, correctly named Acciano.

Henceforth the fig once called Paradiso Nero will be named Acciano and the name Paradiso Nero is now defunct. 

This is, no doubt, a positive clarification since I'm sure we all prefer to preserve the heritage of a given variety as closely as possible.

Please let me know if there are any questions about this. 

Subject: Mario's Fig Tree Cuttings Available Replies: 39
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 3,191
Glad to hear some of you are getting the packages I sent out. May you all make some nice trees out of them :-) !

Many packages to go yet.............

Subject: OT: Seeking seeds Replies: 12
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 708


Just now seeing this thread. I must confess. I was a seed saver years before I was a fig grower.

I have 50+ varieties of seed from heirloom tomatoes. I also have a few types that are being referred to as "designer" tomatoes. They are open-pollinated, stabilized crosses of heirloom tomatoes. Also have just a few heirloom peppers and beans. I would love to work out some trades with you. I know I just sent you some cuttings but it looks like I need to shoot you an email so we can talk trades on seeds for figs maybe ;) .

Figs are the only thing that was able to push my love for tomatoes into second place :-) .

BTW, all the suggestions above are good ones. I've bought from seedsavers and was very happy with what they sent.

Another excellent suggestion is I've also bought seeds from her. Very rare heirloom seeds. She's a one woman operation though. So you need to order early if you want the seeds by spring.

Subject: Beware: Monsanto at it again Replies: 79
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 2,833
Many fail to realize the potential disaster this company poses for the average gardener who likes to save seed from one season for the next. I do my best to save seed of some sort every year. One day even this could (very likely) come to an abrupt end.

It may be even worse for the large scale farmer. Other countries have already seen it happen. Sadly, as they have learned the hard way, it can have very deep repercussions. It becomes paramount to a sort of slavery wherein the slave pays the master. 

This kind of greed evoked madness doesn't bode well for the future. What else can I say? 

Subject: Looking To Buy a Preto Tree or Two Replies: 0
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 367
If anyone has a small Preto tree or 2 or 3 for sale please let me know. I'd also be happy to work out a trade or trade/purchase combo. I really like this fig and would like to have a second tree as well as have one or two extras to share with a couple of fig friends. If you only have cuttings to offer, that might work too but a tree would be preferable.

This variety actually produces well here in zone 6b. I have one small tree that unfortunately, got even smaller due to a mowing accident this summer. I had no one but myself to blame :-/ . Should have put a stake next to it when I first thought of it.

Anyway, if anyone has a tree or two that you'd like to sell please send me an email. I have $, other trees, or cuttings to offer.

Thank you.

Subject: Figs 4 Fun Foundation. Replies: 31
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 1,240
I'm glad to hear it finally came through for you Jon! It's been awhile in coming.

Rafed, I may even try to get some competition going for you ;). Sorry to hear about the family issues BTW.

Subject: Mario's Fig Tree Cuttings Available Replies: 39
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 3,191
Just an update. I've responded to many cuttings orders so far but I have about 45 emails that I haven't even gotten to yet. You know if you're one of them & I'm just letting you know that I will get to you. 

This is time consuming stuff. How do you do it every year Jon!? ;-)

Subject: Mario's Fig Tree Cuttings Available Replies: 39
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 3,191
Sorry about the delays in getting back to many of you. I've gotten a bit sidetracked preparing for the impending ice storm that's supposed to be coming our way. Covering a few more fig trees, getting auxiliary heat & power sources ready, food shopping, etc.

Last time we had an ice storm we were without electricity for about a week. Many others had no power for much longer. Hopefully it won't be that bad but I'm determined to be more prepared this time around :-/. We seem to get this kind of weather more than we get snow. Just the right zone for it I guess.

All cutting orders will be filled (until they're all gone) just going to be a bit behind schedule.

Subject: Mario's Fig Tree Cuttings Available Replies: 39
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 3,191
Bumping because of edit I made in post #1.

Subject: Mario's Fig Tree Cuttings Available Replies: 39
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 3,191
Wanted to post to let everyone know that I am going through emails and replying on a first come basis. It's gonna take awhile but I'll get back to all of you in time. The cuttings are all being stored in cool, proper conditions so they will be nice and viable for a long time.

Steve, nice to know I was missed :-). I've had a busy summer and it's shaping up to be an even busier winter! It's all good though.

Calvin, Thanks for posting those links. 

Subject: Mario's Fig Tree Cuttings Available Replies: 39
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 3,191
It's nice to see that nobody's passion for figs has diminished at all :-) ! I'm getting a bunch of responses already. More than 50 so far. It will take me awhile to get back to everyone but I will do so in time (and in order of first come, first served).

There are a lot of cuttings available but it will take me some time to process everyone's "orders". Just re-iterating in case you don't hear back from me for a couple of days :) .

I also have a few pics that I took of some of these varieties this summer. I might find time to post them in about a month ;-) !

Salce and Acciano are among my favorites so far. 

Subject: Mario's Fig Tree Cuttings Available Replies: 39
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 3,191
Looks like I should have asked everyone to email me instead of contacting via PM. I think I made the same mistake last season. The PM box will fill up very quickly here on the forum and becomes a little hassle to keep deleting off stuff to make room for more messages.

So, if you're interested in cuttings please Email me at

If you don't hear back from me right away don't worry, I will get back to you soon.



Subject: Mario's Fig Tree Cuttings Available Replies: 39
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 3,191
Hello everyone. 

I will have cuttings available from some of Mario's trees starting the first of the week. We will have the following 4 varieties: Dottato, Salce, Acciano (AKA Paradiso Nero), and Troiano Calabrese.

Mario was in Italy this year and one of his family members clarified to him that the real name of the one we'd been calling Paradiso Nero is actually called Acciano (Ah-chee-ah-no). It's nice to get this clarification.

If you're interested please contact me via pm and I will get back to you.

EDIT: Thought I better insert this edit here. I just want to make sure that everyone knows that Mario and I are offering these cuttings for sale. Just something we started about 3 seasons ago and it has worked out well for us as well as for forum members. Not trying to fleece anyone just trying to get a little return on the hobby :). Just wanted to make that clarification. Sorry for any confusion. Thanks.


Subject: Today's Harvest 2013 Replies: 42
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 1,776

Dang dude! You're taking figs to a whole 'nother level. Nicely done.

The fig food truck might be nice but really, I just want the fig cook book!

I have some HC and MBVS that should be ripe in a couple weeks. I will have to try some of this fig cookin' madness ;-) .

Subject: Black Ischia (picture heavy) Replies: 23
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 2,006
Very nice pictures Gene! It's good to see that your patience has paid off ;) .

Pete, I have two grafts of BI that I did last year. The scion came from UCD and they are still looking pretty good. Also have one Black Mad that took. I'll get pics up sooner or later.

Subject: Rooting Cuttings Underground in Winter Replies: 29
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 2,250
Hello SW TX. 

I did put some cuttings out this spring as outlined in paragraph 5 of post #16 above.  However, I didn't store them all winter this way. Just didn't get them out until about a week ago. 

All I did was pull back some mulch under one of my trees and laid the cuttings around the base of the tree (Made sure to clearly mark the different varieties). I then covered them with a thin layer of mulch. Just enough to keep them from drying out. The mulch is little thicker over the butt end of the cutting. I'm guessing that a nice thick layer over the entire cutting might protect them better but I just didn't want it to be so thick that it would hinder the buds from pushing through at the tips.

I'm already seeing a few little buds beginning to raise their heads. This doesn't mean they have roots yet but does indicate some life in the cuttings.

Something to keep in mind here concerning buds pushing before roots. Even though cuttings don't have root growth yet but are showing top growth, this can still be a good thing in this scenario. Generally, if a cutting starts making a lot of top  growth before it makes roots, this can often mean its demise when starting cuttings indoors. This because the cutting could expend all its carbohydrate energies on top growth but have no roots to support it. But when this occurs outdoors, the natural sunlight can actually provide a little energy via the new leaves. This can buy the cutting just a little more time to start making roots (thus tapping into the nutrients from the soil) before it expends all it's energies.  All in theory anyway ;-) .

I know that the "old timer" method of starting cuttings was to just stick cuttings out in the field and hope for the best. I also know that pretty good success has been had when doing this. So it stands to reason that we can still do this successfully if given a proper chance.

If anyone else is having success with the "stick 'em and forget 'em method", it would be nice to hear your experience on it.

Hope this is helpful!

Subject: Pine bark fines vs Hardwood fines?? Replies: 10
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Here's my experience as well as what I've learned from others.

I use hardwood bark mulch in my potting mix all the time. But I also used peat and pine bark mixed in. I get large bags of pine bark (fines) from Lowe's that are labeled as "Soil Conditioner". All it is is ground up pine bark.

I've read that some garden veggies can be grown in pure pine mulch with great results. Not the same with hardwood mulch. It's apparently all about the chemistry between the types of wood.

Here's what I've learned a friend of mine who is a horticulturist as well a soil chemistry specialist. Hardwood mulch doesn't improve the soil over time. When it breakdowns and "burns out" it hasn't added any lasting nutrients to the soil. When pine mulch is used it improves the soil nutrients and leaves an overall improved soil condition even after the mulch is "burned out". I have no way of proving this myself but this is basically what my buddy told me.

I also just learned this. When using lime in your soil, lime doesn't break down into a usable form unless the soil is already acidic. It takes some level of acid in the soil in order for lime to begin to breakdown. Once the soil has reached a neutral PH, or just above, the lime is no longer breaking down. Thus it would stand to reason that there is no real benefit to adding an excessive amount of lime at anytime since, once the soil reaches neutral, no more lime is needed. This is all just some side points that may be only marginally related to this topic but thought it might be helpful to share.

Not sure if any of this is helpful or not but there you have it :-) . 

Subject: sharpie writings Replies: 12
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I've been using the Elmer's brand Painters that Kerry mentioned above for some time now. These have worked very well for me. The fine point seems to be the best size tip for writing on cuttings. My favorite colors are white, red, and blue. I use the white for the cuttings and the red & blue for writing on old pieces of window blinds, that I break into appropriate lengths, for use as pot markers.

I can't comment on the other types that some have mentioned since I haven't used those. But if you use the window blinds as markers, a good ol' pencil seems to be one of the most durable things to use. I prefer the "painters" for this because they show up better, but pencil is still a great standby if you don't have the markers.

I've been getting the Painters from Wal-Mart in the crafts department. You can get them individually or in 5 packs. Here's a link that shows some pictures of what to look for:

Subject: Fig seedlings Replies: 32
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 2,262
Nice Jon. Do you know the variety of the parent tree that the seeds came from?

Subject: Fig sellers that are hard to find Replies: 11
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Subject: Root Riot Replies: 3
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 1,039

Noss.  Guess I should have looked at that listing before posting :-/ .  $21.00 shipped is a good price. Looks like I should have shopped eBay first.
Seller name I got mine from on Amazon is "GreatDealsNow". Shipped on the 13th - arrived today.

I also ordered a 100ml bottle of Clonex (from a different seller). I look forward to seeing how well this combination works.

Hey Dan. As long as you have dormant wood to work with, it's never really "too late" to root stuff if you're in the mood. You just have to adjust your acclimation techniques when adjusting plants that have been rooted indoors. Once they're well rooted, a shady porch has worked well for me when it's hot outside. I then try to give them a more "sunny" spot on an overcast day in an effort to acclimate them. I then might keep them under a shade tree for most of the summer if need be.  Gradual acclimation seems to be key here. 

Then there's propagation of growing wood in early summer too. I've not done this yet but I hear it's much easier than dormant wood.

Subject: Root Riot Replies: 3
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Not bad Tami. But I did find a 100 lot on Amazon for 24.44 shipping included.

Rafed, looks like you should have invested in the Root Riot company before you started posting about this ;-) . I just rec'd my 100 ct in the mail today. I don't remember you warning us about how these things smell! Phew! I thought for sure they contained cow manure. Not so according to the ingredients though.

Subject: knowing tops from bottoms Replies: 10
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 639
The picture George provided is perfect. With figs, the leaf scare is usually quite visible just below the bud.

The link Pete provided is really good as well. Jon has done a great job of making it clear on how to tell top from bottom.

I've managed to stick a couple upside-down by mistake as well George. I did a couple this way deliberately too though. I've done this when cuttings have been wrongly cut just below the bottom node with no inter-space below it. So I've tried, on occasion, to save an otherwise "lost node" by cutting that bottom node away and sticking it upside-down as a "one noder". So far, so good, on about 3 pieces for me at this time.

Personally, I like when my cuttings look like one shown in the link Pete provided above - third picture down, cutting in the middle. The top of the cutting isn't shown in that particular image but the top cut should be just above the top node.   

I'd like to further comment on how I feel fig cuttings should always be cut, but I'm thinking that will make a good thread of it's own. A lot of good details can be added on that subject ;-) .  

Subject: OT Anyone growing lychee or starfruit in the Northeast Replies: 6
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By the way Jason. I have little doubt that you will eventually get fruit from your Carambola trees. The greenhouse will make all the difference :-) . I'm not sure about the Lychees though. Only because I've never tried growing them. Neither in KY nor in S. FL.

I look forward to hearing about your progress on these tropicals.

Subject: OT Anyone growing lychee or starfruit in the Northeast Replies: 6
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@ null0. You just might be cheating a little considering your location ;-) . What zone are you in? I didn't know Lychees would produce at such a small size. I knew of several huge Lychee as well as Longan trees in the Naples, FL area when I lived there. They do grow into pretty big trees too!

@ Jason. I currently have several small Star Fruit trees growing that I started from seed indoors last winter. Most of them have really hung in there despite the marginal care I've given them :-/ . I'm hoping they will really take off for me this summer. I plan to give them a good fertilizer and care routine this year. It's the least I can do for them, seeing how hardy they've been for me thus far.

I also have one Sugar Apple (Annona) that I've kept alive going on three seasons now. It's about 2' tall. I also have several Cherimoya and Atemoya that I started from seed last year. Many of the Annonas can start producing fruit in about 3 years when started from a seed. I'm not growing these with the aid of a greenhouse. So, it remains to be seen if I can get them to produce fruit in this scenario.

Maybe I'll get some pics of them posted.......

Subject: Black Ischia Fig,and Observations!!! Replies: 51
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Good looking grafts there Harvey. Must be nice to be able to graft already. We're almost there though.

I have several varieties of scion at the ready for my upcoming grafting season. Not yet sure just what I'm going to have in the way of root stock yet. I may have to hit Lowes or Tractor Supply again this year to pick up a couple more new root stocks.

Subject: rooting in fish tank Replies: 12
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 973

I have a few aquariums left over from my fish-keeping days. I only have two in service as rooting chambers right now but the ones I do have range in size from 20 gal to 55 gal. I'm glad I had them on hand since they work pretty well for propagation purposes. 

The one big draw back I've had with this set-up is too much humidity. At times I've seen it as high as 99%. I usually just lift back a corner of the cover until it gets to about where I like it. Too much ambient moisture can cause mold to develop on the leaves or even on the cuttings themselves. Letting the moisture levels drop for awhile usually seems to remedy that issue.

Subject: rooting in fish tank Replies: 12
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 973
Hi Will. I hope you don't mind me sharing my experiences with aquariums on your thread. 

I've been using aquariums as rooting chambers for 4 seasons now. They have worked just fine for me. It's basically the same as many others do when using plastic sweater boxes, etc. The one advantage I like is being able to see into them without removing the cover. Still becomes somewhat necessary though because of the condensation on the sides as well as to let things breathe a little.

I also kept the bottom of the tank wet and elevated the cups so they wouldn't get soaked in the water. I used layers of newspaper in the bottom to help hold moisture longer.

Here are a couple pics of mine from the 2009/10 season. As you can see, I'm not afraid to recycle anything that makes a suitable container ;-) :

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Subject: Gorgi, GM 201 in ground is ALIVE!!!! Pictures Replies: 6
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 557
Glad to hear it made it for you Jennifer.

Just looking at those pics made me want to put on my coat :-/ . I'm soooo glad spring is upon us.

Subject: Greetings froma newbie in TN Replies: 14
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 987
Hi Bill. So, that's SE of Nashville right? Fig growing should be just a little easier for you over there.

I'm sure we'll work out some trades or some such sooner or later :) . 

Here's a link where a few of us from around the KY/TN area where having a discussion:

I've met Mario, Sara, and Dave. 


Subject: Greetings froma newbie in TN Replies: 14
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 987
Welcome to the forum Bill.

Where-abouts in Middle TN are you? I live a few miles south of Murray, KY - right near the TN line. It's good to see another member not too far from my "neck of the woods". I think there is yet another member in the Nashville area.

As for cold hardy varieties to consider. Some folks have mentioned a few already, so you will see duplicates in the following:

- Brunswick
- Danny's Delight
- Hardy Chicago
- Florea
- Gino's Black (maybe)
- Haikel Lebanese (this is one I found doing well locally. It may be a Brunswick variety)
- Celeste

Exploring many of the Celeste types and Celeste hybrids may yield positive results. There are many fig varieties that will re-grow from the soil line and still produce fruits in the same season. For example, varieties such as LSU Purple should do pretty good at this. I have at least one unknown variety that seems to be very cold sensitive and dies all the way back to the soil line every winter. In spite of this, the parent tree still produces an abundance of ripe fruit.

Just a few things to think about. Hope this helps. 

Subject: GM figs - tell us about them, please. Replies: 9
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 926
@ Jennifer. Don't be too hasty to write that tree off. Even if it happens to look dead back to the soil line, it could still come back from a node just below the soil line. Figs are hardy and I've been surprised a few times myself.

Like Alan said, if you covered it with enough mulch, it may have plenty of material alive - even well above the soil line. I've been covering many of my potted figs in mulch for a couple of years now. I've had only a couple of losses and they weren't related to the cold.

Just wait a month or so into warm weather before giving up on yours ;) .

Subject: Pug Puppies off topic..Update 3/7/13 Replies: 31
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 1,081
Man Tony! You're making it hard for me to maintain my tough guy front with all the dang cuteness going on in this thread!! You made me have an awwww moment! How am supposed to explain that kind of behavior to my wife dude?!

All in fun man. Those little guys really are super cute. I always did like pugs.

Austin, you mentioned one of my other favorites - Boston Terrier (terror). High energy little dogs :-) .

Subject: A Free Tree Replies: 71
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 3,318
Well, this thread has taken on a nice air of humor LOL!

I'm sure hungryjack's "encouragement" will be most helpful Tony :) .

Just think; "divide and conquer". As in, divide that root ball into at least four different sections! I know you'll put that chainsaw to good use but you might want to also take an ax and a big machete with you. A heavy pair of branch "loppers" will go along way too. Sounds like a good workout but you know it will be a memorable endeavor Tony. I'm sure you'll get it out.

If I saw an offer close enough to my location I'd go for it as well. No matter the variety, it would be of value to me as rootstock alone.

Please do get some pics to share with us. We'll do our best to help you carry the load from here :-) . I wish you the best on it. May you find the strength of 10 diggers ;-) .

Subject: questions on grafting Replies: 6
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 745

It looks like Boris and Pete have done a great job of covering most reasons for grafting figs. 

The one other reason I thought of is this. You need less material to get a whole new tree started by using grafting. If you have a treasured variety and very limited material to work with, you can increase your odds of success by dividing the scion into a number of smaller pieces. In my personal opinion, grafting fig scion is easier than getting a cutting to root. This is based on my personal experience and others may not have had the same results.

I haven't fully tested this out yet, but I have a strong hunch that we could successfully graft a piece of scion and place an air-layer on the root stock, below the graft, at the same time. My theory is that you should be able to remove that air-layer, with the new graft (and new rootstock) attached and pot it up by the end of the same season. Thus establishing a fully autonomous tree in one season while still leaving the rootstock mostly in tact. The hope being that the rootstock will be fully ready for grafting again by the following season.

I'm also one of those guys who's currently experimenting with "less vigorous" scion being grafted onto "more vigorous" rootstocks. To date, I had been using whatever tree I had available as roostock. In the future I plan to use just one or two varieties that seem to do exceptionally well in my local conditions.

I have one unknown variety, for example, that is both a vigorous grower and seems to be cold hardy to boot. The starts I have of this one also came from one of the largest trees I've found in my zone. This tells me at least two things. One: It is cold hardy at least to some degree. Two: It has enough vigor to rebound to great heights even if it may have been killed back in one season or another. I plan to propagate this one as much as possible in order to acquire several well established rootstock to work with.

I look forward to sharing those results as time goes by.

Sorry for rambling on in your thread Winston :-/ .

Subject: Some people who come to mind & are missed Replies: 10
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 951
I just found this old thread and thought I'd bump it up to say that I appreciate the fact that I'd been missed last summer :) . Thanks Jason.

Jon, you had it about right in your reply. I am outside pretty much all spring and summer. In fact I will probably be disappearing again here in a few weeks. On top of all the regular lawn care and fig tree stuff that keeps me busy, I do some volunteer work that takes up some of my time as well.

I've also let many of my outside projects go for most of the winter. So by the time it's nice enough to work outside again, I've got a lot waiting for me to get busy with. Always so many projects going on for me in the summer, but I look forward to it every year. It's almost time to get back outside! Woo Hoo!  

Subject: List of Mt. Etna type figs Replies: 51
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 3,932
Hey John. The jury is still out on that Unk Owensboro in my yard. I don't think I've had fully developed fruit on my little tree yet. Hopefully a little extra TLC this year will help it to return the favor with some better fruits.

Jason (& maybe others) have had much better results than I've had to date. Here's the link where Jason was discussing that one:

As far as cold hardiness goes. From what I understand, it survives KY's winters unprotected. I haven't put mine to the test yet to confirm that for myself. My buddy, who gave me this one, grows his in a greenhouse. So, no real confirmation there.

Just to clarify, the friend who gave me the Unk Owensboro, first got this fig from someone growing it in O-boro. I plan to trial it unprotected once I'm sure I have a solid back up or two.

Subject: moving to zone 9 Replies: 34
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 1,477

@ Jake. I lived in Naples for 10 years and never saw or even heard of Coati being in FL. Are they in isolated populations somewhere in the state? I saw plenty of other introduced exotic species across the state. Mostly reptiles and tropical fish though. Not doubting that the Coati are there. Just curious about what part of FL they've been found in.


Subject: I think the Groundhog was wrong! Replies: 23
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 1,033
Gene, It looks like things are going to play out a little different for my zone this year. Last year we had a real mild winter and spring came early. It's very common for us to get a late frosts in early April but we didn't last year.

This year it's looks as if it may stay pretty cold right up until April (based on long-term speculation). Because of this, the fruit trees in general should hold off on blooming and may (possibly) not lose their blooms to the typical late frost. That's the hope anyway ;) .

Subject: Help pls- what does this mean? Replies: 7
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 743
Bob has it right. The "NOT" suffix means that a particular fig was labeled under one name but turned out to "NOT" be what it was labeled as.

Subject: I think the Groundhog was wrong! Replies: 23
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 1,033
Well, I guess you can't expect too much from a small furry mammal that drove Bill Murray over a cliff in a pickup truck!

Subject: Grafting a fig tree with other type of fruit trees? Replies: 34
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 8,503
Bob made a good clarification; The trees need to be closely related to get grafts to take. Citrus to various types of citrus, etc. Also grafting various stone fruits onto one rootstock should work as Suzi mentioned. Theoretically, you could have Cherries, Peaches, Almonds, Plums, and Apricots all growing on the same tree. Having the right rootstock would play a big part here too though.

I would be interested to see whether grafting fig to mulberry would work though. Just might give it a shot in a month or so ;) .

@ Cal. it's much more about genetics than how similar the fruits compare to each other. Take Hedge Apple and Seedless Che for example. The fruits don't look much alike at all but Seedless Che is routinely grafted onto Hedge Apple. Not saying fig & mulberry would work either though. But it might be fun to try just to observe the results.

It's sometimes tough enough getting grafts to take on trees that are siblings let alone trying to get unrelated fruit tree grafts to take. Unfortunately, many combonations are just not gonna work. 

Subject: BEWARE...Wrong Fertilizer Formulas Replies: 28
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 2,293
I have to agree Pete. A balanced fertilizer will do just fine as long as you're careful not to over-do it (just like anything). That, along with a boost or two of lime, could be the most simple and effective way to go.

I knew a gardener in FL who always used 10-10-10 on all his fruit trees with really great results.

Doesn't have to be complicated to get great results.

Subject: BEWARE...Wrong Fertilizer Formulas Replies: 28
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 2,293
Doing a little research on N-P-K is is well worth the effort. I learned a lot when doing some recent searches.
> High nitrogen (N) produces lots of vegetative growth.
> Plenty of Potash (P) aids in fruit & flower production.
> While Potassium (K) also promotes strong growth and improves uptake of nutrients.
The above info is not complete but does give a general idea of what's going on in those numbers & letters. 

Jazzbass pointed out and linked the formula that Joe Morle has always used. From what I understand, Joe has always had strong plants and great fruit production.

The Belleclare brochure/handout also provided some great info on a fert program: 

 Bill Muzychko of Bill's Figs also outlines what is sure to be a good fertilizer routine:

I'm betting that any one of these fert programs will produce good results. My personal plan is to glean a little from each one of them (as well as others) and adapt them to my particular growing conditions & needs.

One point that does stand out from all of them is this though; If you plan to use the Belleclare routine, be sure to use the granular limestone. I'm guessing that any of the "pelletized" fast release limestone could not be used in the concentrations recommended by Belleclare Nurseries.   

Hope this helps.........

Subject: Fernando Vallese's fig book - need help locating it Replies: 5
Posted By: saxonfig Views: 893
Surprised to see you looking for assistance on this Ingevald. You're usually the one who's the "search master" aren't you :) ? Must be a tough one to find.

Sorry, I'm of no help. But I wish you the best in your search. 


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