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Subject: Say goodbye to mold (for the most part) Replies: 10
Posted By: boots Views: 2,130
 
well from my experience I suspect, maybe you might be keeping them too warm once rooted..
soil in spring is cool if not down right cold.. so once rooted let the soil cool but start giving the leafs a bit of filtered sun, to gain " strength" and warmth from that . I found if the soil is too hot they just burn out.

Subject: single-node rooting Marseilles Black VS Replies: 14
Posted By: boots Views: 1,485
 
well I got a tree from EP and it had a little broken branch when it got here and a tiny thin piece fell off it looked dried and dead to me... only about 1 1/2 inches long and very a thin branch also just a little bigger around than a tooth pick.... well I stuck it inall the way in the dirt next to the tree, so it would break down and eventually feed the tree it came from.. if it even had a node I was shocked to find one.
well I guess it has one node... but the shocker is .. now it has a leaf as big and longer than the whole stick once was and it only got here, what about a month,month and a half ago ago.
all I can say is that kind is vigorous and that is an understatement!! thank goodness it is not a legume or a vine.. you wouldn't be able to slow it down..

Subject: Cuttings, soon. Replies: 33
Posted By: boots Views: 2,243
 
hum OK I have a technical question .
it says
"This is one of the reasons why we cannot accept orders for large quantities of any one variety."

... it says you only get one order ..
so does that mean you can only get one of the brown turkey type .. or one order from each of the different offerings of types of brown turkey? or whatever say celeste, so you can only get one type of celeste or one order of each of the different celeste?

Subject: The Genetics of Hominids and Figs Replies: 17
Posted By: boots Views: 1,254
 
does anyone know if female plants have two x's? they would have to don't they ?

Subject: The Genetics of Hominids and Figs Replies: 17
Posted By: boots Views: 1,254
 
well it is about our direct male and female lines.
dresslers Y line must be a dark med type line some of these are darker northern euro too like Picts .. and red celts and/white headed scandinavians is the light/spot versions of black headed genes , sceince don't know that yet but in animal husbandry we sure do..and yellow headed is light version of brown. all is triggered by environment . but brown hair is usually dominant over black hair. when I say black mean true black... it does not refect any yellow light..
color is mostly determined by the direct true male line and how that combines with the mothers true and "functional" genes with just a hint laced of her dads coloring..
these are things we learned in animals taught to 4 H kids but no geneticists seem to know.. I taught 4 H for years..
you can't see some of these things in a microscope I guess.
((italian girl) and I can't explain why just some of the men in your dads family got bald.. it must have been for some other reason than genetics. or
ask if your grandma spent more time outdoors when pregnant with the not bald child? and or if she had worked indoor when pregnant with the bald kids? maybe she changed in her genetics during one of those pregnancies, usually that only happens if there is a lot of stress factors...)
so it is Dresslers direct female line which is baldy/cheese eaters.

you just described my line and yes it was cherokee.. woman about 6'4 and that is just the girls..
" it is in almost a direct line" in clan speak you are probably like a brother to me..
and you can drink milk? now that is weird. your dads Y line must be very fair and you just pulled hard to your direct female line genes. or that line is in the process of getting cheesier...
yes it has caused problems when our female lines " true color" and "type" it's usually sons show up and they are huge looking indians.. and it is bad when the dad is blond and fair.. but the boys kids have a 50 /50 chance of showing mom true side and daughters only have about 1/3 or less chances of showing it because another true X and the color of dad is in play more with daughters ..
so you were the huge dark indian kid in a house of white folks hum ? .. that sure has caused issues in our larger family at times.. ,lol. at least now we can explain it to them in our line and those boy children.. that white guy is still your daddy.. mom's NDN genes showed up..


I'm a runt in my family for a few reasons..
one being my other X never reaches 5 ft.. I'm 5'8 that is half way between 6'4 and 5'. see how that worked but I could have been any height between 6'4 and 5' ..

Subject: The Genetics of Hominids and Figs Replies: 17
Posted By: boots Views: 1,254
 
now just to help folks get this I have to ask..

and dieseler your mom and dads female line has very high percentages of light eyes and light skin and they can drink milk with out allergies right? your bald head is to make sure you get every bit of sun/d you can from a likely northern cold environment most likely your genes, you maternal genes originated from.

now my direct line is" hunter gather" and we have no blue eyes and they usually have dark hair.. but if a dad is a blondy/red like an I1a (viking) an his direct mother line is blue eyed cheese eaters sometimes about 50% of the boys ( more of the daughters) of such a father will get light/hazel eyes and fairer skin and blondish hair as a child that usually turns dark as they get older. but never a baldy son in the family ever and rarely can anyone drink milk or to many "modern" or processed foods with out some very harsh reactions. we have a huge need for SUN to get adequate vitamin D or lupus and diabetes are possible effects..
though some individuals may look like a "whitey" in our family .. we can't necessarily live like a modern "whitey". so how an individual functions and how they "look" are two very different things sometimes.

my guess is that somehow your
" fig chimera ",
in animals white is a spot.. it is a spot of a "absense of colors "( over a body color ) genes. these are mostly determined by the males.







Subject: The Genetics of Hominids and Figs Replies: 17
Posted By: boots Views: 1,254
 
the question also comes as to what are they reverting back to?
do trees have mtdna.. and if so the y line is what determines humans general looks and mtdna determines most of how it functions.

so we have to ask what is being shed during the tissue culture process. I suspect it is going back to whatever that dna is that is it pure female/functional type. in humans it would be called their mtdna most likely.
how we function has to do with many environmental factors. mtdna has to d with cellar metabolism. it has to be.. and that sure would be effected in the womb.
don't know how much a tree can determine these things until it hits dirt though.... I suspect more so that it's first few days in the dirt it is to live it's life in determines a lot of changes or death of the plant if it's genetics are just wrong for that soils condition.
in the tissue culture I suspect it is shedding it's y 'Type" frills and revealing it truer main maternal/ or "functional" decent line.
maybe that is why there is so many figs just exactly a-like because they come from the same maternal lines colored by whatever it is that is the Y or male frills and flash produces..

so maybe a tree or cutting may be able to totally revert at any point to it's maternal decent, because it's main object is functional and reproductive issues.. and less about frills like color.. but taste may be part of it's function, because it has to attract wasps

Subject: The joy of having a greenhouse Replies: 28
Posted By: boots Views: 2,643
 
bass what kind of persimmons ? yum
how big is your green house?
my hubby just converted a metal carport into 1/2 bunny barn/1/2 green house.
are you using supplemental heat?




Subject: please name your Lowes figs Replies: 14
Posted By: boots Views: 1,345
 
I just found this

"
RE: growing LSU Gold fig-'fantastic'

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see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by glenn9643 z8 LA (My Page) on Thu, Dec 21, 06 at 8:56
Seems that this thread veered off to LSU Purple and stayed there.
My LSU Gold didn't yield any figs until the third year. I was going to dig it up after the fourth, but it gave us figs that year they were so much better than the Celeste which was our only other. This past summer was the fifth year but production wasn't much improved, but the weather may have impacted in that respect.
I found my LSU Gold at Lowes' garden center, and have seen them at Home Depot locally. They often have LSU Purple also, along with BT, Celeste."

so LSU gold or variant of LSU gold and LSU purple was sold in LA the supposed source of all LSU golds. MO and LA aren't that far away from each other. so maybe LA is a source of some figs in MO.




Subject: please name your Lowes figs Replies: 14
Posted By: boots Views: 1,345
 
thanks for your help everyone ,( there for awhile I was wondering if we were on a dog breeding list)

I just found a place on ebay that said that Lowes also sold figs labeled "Conadria", of course they may or may not have been.

But at least folks who buy a house or find a fig that grows in their areas can start looking at the most likely types sold at their local super handyman centers.
darn I just found out home club sold figs too. we could probably list those too.


at least people might have an idea what to start looking for leaf type and fruit size and color to compare them with pictures here .
thanks for your help.
edited to add.
after spending a few hours at least reading and looking at pictures.
the number #2 green fruit was like the green fruit here under adriatic in the top row 4th picture , also with a intense berry/ lemon/lime tart taist. and with a dried fruit here that looks quite simular to that orange one pictured there also in the 4th picture top row , only this one is smaller but with the same indented pillow looks.. only these the eye sticks out .. maybe because they are dried down a lot harder.

I sure think it might be possible it is in that family of the Adriatic somehow (linear line /descendant). we will have to see.

Subject: please name your Lowes figs Replies: 14
Posted By: boots Views: 1,345
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by botanicalbill
I would fertilize them and care for them, then try to identify them.  The fruit may normaly be larger with the extra nutrients, the other tree may fruit every year if the fert is there.  I say that because all figs that are identified or growing in someones back yard is cared for so match the living conditions for the plant and it may make idenitification eaiser.  However, like Scott said, who knows what you have.    Its eaiser to say what is is not than what it is, you will only know that you have a dark varity fig.
you are right but
I offered to protect their figs and fertilize them for the people. but they just love the foliage and are too busy working their blueberry farm to worry about their "yard plants". they look healthy not in anyway sickly or diseased and are huge so they are not going to worry about them. I will have to see what kind they bought.

I am hoping for a list of everything Lowes has sold in the last 10 to 12 years. they think they got them At Lowes, they can't remember for sure , but that is the most logical choice.
yes I will feed mine well.





Subject: please name your Lowes figs Replies: 14
Posted By: boots Views: 1,345
 
hi Herman .how are you? I was going to bid one more time on those english turkey. not expecting to win though. not when it takes like 10 minutes to load a page. when I start screaming and yelling and throwing things it is time to give up on ebay though. :P

well the little ones were that color not that size . but the big ones were different shape I think I remember .
more poochy,pillow like, more of a " I dream of Genie" bottle like ( sorry don''t know the words for the shape). not lemon, not pear, not round, more like a tangerine shape. I am hoping it is a kadota maternal line. so I can dry it.



I will find one kind of the shape or sort of like it in the variety section.

more like petea figs in her avatar picture even a bit more pillowy . well that is what I remember anyway.





Subject: please name your Lowes figs Replies: 14
Posted By: boots Views: 1,345
 
can anyone name your Lowes figs.
I got cuttings from two landscape plants .. no one eats the figs or does anyting to the fig trees at all......that have survived 10 years in zone 6a in a hole and in shade , with no help protections or fertilizers anything ever. both fig trees die to the ground every year!


any way went yesterday to prune them before this big freeze that is coming in.
both are different figs .

# 1
one fruits tiny nickel to almost quarter sized fruits with red pulp and brownish ( maybe green with purpleish blush).in august wasn't very sweet a bit dry but may not have been ripe fully, but was soft. when we went to prune the figs, figs were dried on the tree. fruited tiny figs at nearly every leaf bud . 10 years old base of shrub was about a 4+ ft circle of suckers and suckers from base were 7 to 8 ft tall. remember this tree dies to the ground every year.

#2
doesn't fruit on one year old/new wood. but every once in awhile a part of a branch doesn't completely die. so one such part of a branch had farely large dried figs on the part/side of one of those branches that didn't completely die last year. I put my tongue to a large quarter sized freeze dried fig. very red inside and it was intense almost berryflavored a bit sour// like berry coolaid without sugar. don't know out side color of figs but it has a very wide base,( like a tangerine or beef stake tomato) squat type when green and growing.
on the tiny bit of branch that didn't freeze about 6 inches long there was like 10 dried figs on it.. it was trying hard to make fruit when everything was going against it.
10 years old , is at least 6+ ft circle of suckers at the base. the base suckers branches 8- 12ft tall. yes it dies back every year. put it this way I got nearly 400 cuttings and only took it down to 3-4 ft tall . and we did not take it to the ground.
60 of those cuttings are over 2-3 ft long and 1 1/2 inches thick . can I plant those size?

these are both lowes figs of some kind.
anyone want to tell me what your named Lowes figs are and what they are like too?

so we unknown hardy Lowes figs owners can reference this thread in the future.
with a little protections that second lowes tree is going to be a great one I think. it sure is aggressive and huge.... these figs are in a cold trap and shaded.
I read Lowes had some tiny brown turkey.. but I can't even guess if these tree #1 are tiny because of poor conditions , no thinning . no fertilizers, no mulch either. no nothing in 10 years. so maybe the figs are little and maybe the figs are stressed? what do you think?







Subject: Texas Everbearing...A true variety? Replies: 38
Posted By: boots Views: 6,768
 
great pictures Bass. thanks



Bass is that a Sal's EL or BC?



that tiger is a gorgeous yummy colored fig. is it yummy or just look it?

Subject: Rooting in a bag Replies: 27
Posted By: boots Views: 3,945
 
"Humic acid can be extracted from any material containing well-decomposed organic matter - soil, coal, composts, etc"
Interesting considering how native americans used to burn the forests around them, for one reason was to make charcoal just for use in the gardens. they did that in north and south america.

also there is a very interesting article about burning manures and using those ashes on their garden and how much it increased production over raw manure and a chemical fertilizers .
use.http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/hooker87.html
since both seem to work similar to kelp... it must have to do with more bio-available nutrients maybe.

maybe these things all carry the nutrients small enough to be available to the plants . I have used kelp on my animals and plants for years now because it has so many trace elements .

Subject: Rooting in a bag Replies: 27
Posted By: boots Views: 3,945
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saxonfig
boots- Interesting you mention the "willow water". I was just doing some recent research on this. Apparently willow trees (any variety) have a natural rooting hormone throughout the tree. From what I've read you can take a cutting from a willow tree up to 5" in diameter, stick it in the ground, keep it sufficiently wet, and it will root and grow. If I recall correctly the chemical responsible for the rooting properties is called "salicin". It was also the willow tree and this chemical that is allegedly resposible for the developement of common asprin. Check out this article: http://www.bluestem.ca/willow-article1.htm [Edit; the above link contains some good info that I didn't include below.]
I've read about some folks using this willow water or willow tea to root plants & trees with some pretty good results. Hey, it's free too! There are alot of Black Willows (salix nigra) that grow in my area. I just might try this stuff on a couple of the cuttings I may be getting from some of you nice folks. I guess, if I'm feeling organized enough to do so, I may even make a documented experimment out of it and post the results here. That is if it hasn't already been done. I've seen a few different methods used to make willow water. One was this chick in Australia (I think) who was actually using it to root fig cuttings! She simply chopped up some willow leaves, put it in water, and dipped the cuttings in. She made a point of getting some of the chopped leaf material on the cutting before sticking it directly into potting soil. Apparently this was working for her. Another method was one that a Bosai grower used. All he did was cut some thumb size branches and stick them in a bucket of water for about a month. By this time the willows had rooted and the water was kind of slimy. He claimed that after using this slimy water as a rooting hormone his rooting success went way up. The third way I've seen the willow tea made seems to be the most common as well as the most reccommended: -Go get some finger size and smaller branches. -Strip the leaves off. -Cut the branches into about 3 inch segments. -Place them in a large pot and pour boiling water over them. -Let the "tea" set for one day to a week. -Strain out the pieces of willow branches, saving the water for use. -You then soak your cutings in this tea for anywhere from 2-48 hours depending on the type of plant cutting you're soaking. -Proceed with your favorite rooting method from here. Apparently you can also use this tea to water your cuttings no more than a couple of times during the rooting process. Using it to water growing plants/trees may be of benefit as well (?). Sounds intersting to me and I'm going to give it a try to see if it really works.         

Saxon fig yes wow wayyyyyy better instructions than I gave!
.. thank you sir!
and I said it wrong I don't quite bring mine sticks and leaves to a boil, but almost . kind of like how I do to tea bags.. to just a almost ready to boil stage.

Subject: Texas Everbearing...A true variety? Replies: 38
Posted By: boots Views: 6,768
 
well where we grew up there was a fig in some ones yard that looked like bass's " brown bread" or like french pastry . they told us it was a brown turkey. oh well.. maybe it is, probably it's not..
Bass does yours fruit after a freeze? breba and main crop?
are they cold hardy?

because I liked those peoples pastry looking figs.. are yours good?

Subject: Texas Everbearing...A true variety? Replies: 38
Posted By: boots Views: 6,768
 
yes I think so too. I see way to many that look very different now.
ok so how do I locate brown turkey that fruit nice fruits after a total freeze back.
ok so everyone who has any kind of those that fruit after a total freeze back ( which is supposed to the attributes of a brown turkey, so we are told right right? but are probably attributes of certain genetic linear line that may be in many other fruits also.
can anyone show pictures of your superduperfruiters ( say that three times) :P ?

Subject: Texas Everbearing...A true variety? Replies: 38
Posted By: boots Views: 6,768
 
bass does yours fruit after a total freeze back?
that is the main difference between a real brown turkey and a celeste right?
celeste only fruit on new wood growth after some one year or older wood right?

Subject: Texas Everbearing...A true variety? Replies: 38
Posted By: boots Views: 6,768
 

thanks Bass
that is the kind of brown turkey I am familiar with, well to a little darker.
the english look big and reddish pink to me.
I have seen some BT pictured that appear near blackish/gray
and your is called " texas everbearing" right?
and where did your TEBT originate from?
thanks so much for the picture.. that helped a lot!

I would love to see that comparison by James.
It sure seems there is a lot of confusion about the genetics of fruit called the same words..


Subject: Rooting in a bag Replies: 27
Posted By: boots Views: 3,945
 
we used willow tea to "water" my cuttings seemed to help . seems to have a bit of a anti mold element maybe.
also a few sprinkles of brown kelp in the tea helps . kelp acts like a growth hormone. farmers have been using sea kelp for eions to promote plant growth in gardens. be sure to put the kelp in the tea after the tea is heated and cooled too. leave teas out to break down a few days before using it to water.
recipe

would look like

huge pot, huge arm loads of any kind of willow sticks and bark to finger pinky size., river willow work great .
cut willow up into pot...... cover with water and bring to a boil.

when cooled add teaspoon of brown kelp.
leave willow and water to sit for about one week.
after one week setting out
it is perfect if it looks like boiled tea, before you add water .
I use this to water new plants starts , seedlings etc
just a few times each seem to do the trick

I mean when a river over flows it banks it is sure to break and and spread willows around. I am sure that was designed.

Subject: Texas Everbearing...A true variety? Replies: 38
Posted By: boots Views: 6,768
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hlyell
Hi Jack, I acquired a "Texas Everbearing" this year, and it fruited well.  The figs and leaves were very similar, if not identical, to my Celeste.  The nursery I bought it from had three varieties: Celeste, Brown Turkey and Texas Everbearing.  The Celeste I already had came from a different source, but when I saw these trees for sale I couldn't help but wonder if there was any difference in any of them.  When I was at that nursery later - during the ripening season - there were figs on all three varieties.  Guess what?  yep...they looked the same to me.  Even the Brown Turkey looked like Celeste.  It definitely was NOT the same "Deep South" Brown Turkey I have.  I look forward to trying figs from the White Texas Everbearing I recently acquired, but it will probably be 2009 before I have figs. Henry


Henry did you ever put pictures of your "deep south brown turkey" anywhere at this site?

Subject: Texas Everbearing...A true variety? Replies: 38
Posted By: boots Views: 6,768
 
got a question,, did james ever do this comparison? where is that study/pictures comparing these fruits?

Subject: different type of brown turkey Replies: 0
Posted By: boots Views: 487
 
hi Herman
well I sure hope that english brown turkey will ripen here . they are a gorgeous fruit.. but we sure do have a shorter summer than where I came from which was the central valley of CA.
but here we are zone 6a, could be a wiggly bordering on 5b

but here we have had every kind of summer here from very very hot 100+ and high and low humidity to very cool 70/80 and high or low humidity.
so I do not know if english brown Turkey will ripen here or not consistently.

anyone have english brown turkey around Kansas or MO ?
well I do have the 12 herman do you think I should just try these here first before getting more? gosh I had my heart sold on those hoping they would work here best.
so my next question is .
will the regular smaller , regular dark brown turkey ripen in MO? I will call them "regular " because I do not know what else to call the ones that are not big pink/reddish english type.

anyone know how do I tell the difference ? because to most people a brown turkey is a brown turkey by leaves or anything?.


I mean I can tell an english by pictures sometimes, well sort of . but can't tell a "regular" brown turkey from a celeste from pictures. differences must have to do with leaves. because in pictures the fruit looks a lot alike to me .
but how do you tell smaller brown turkey apart from english?
the only brown turkey I know of around here is a tiny fruited one from lowes . I don't want to many of those, for a novelity they might be interesting.. but just a couple for fun for the grandkids.
I thought all those tiny sweet whites were cute novelity fruits too that someone posted . I think they need a wasp.
thanks in advance for any help!


Subject: USDA / UC Davis Fig Mosaic Virus Study Replies: 8
Posted By: boots Views: 8,115
 
isn't 99% of any breeding program about finding those varieties and animals that are immune to diseases common in our area,.

I think our jobs as producers of any living thing is providing the plants and animals with all nutrients and enzymes/food they may ever need.it can only help them. then to cull those who need to much extreme special attention in our areas.
oh this is nannanae I tried months ago to get on this site and never could.. I found a way the other day .

 

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