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Subject: Potting mix experiment- Semi-Gritty and Pro-mix combo Replies: 152
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The goal is reduced cost, less water retention than peat only, better aeration, and less compaction. 

Subject: Pine bark fines Replies: 24
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Great deal on the pine! Are you using mini nuggets for something fig related?

Subject: Potting mix experiment- Semi-Gritty and Pro-mix combo Replies: 152
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Cocoa bean hulls are no good. They retain too much water at the bottom of the pot. Good thing I finally found pine bark fines.


Subject: Pine bark fines Replies: 24
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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! After months of searching I found them under my nose at Agway 3cu ft for $7.75. Sold as Pine Bark Mulch. It is all bark and under a quarter in size. I am going to try 2 parts promix, 2 parts PBF, and 1 part coarse perlite.

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Subject: what other figs should i look for? Replies: 13
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Do you have any sure thing productive figs? It's nice to have lots of figs to eat while waiting for your rare late varieties to ripen. Marseilles white/ vs black, Celeste, hardy Chicago, and desert king should fit in that category.

Subject: Pine bark fines Replies: 24
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No problem Gorgi, I just special ordered 10 bags of pine bark mulch. The guy said it is all bark and no wood and the pieces are nickel sized and smaller. A little pricey like you said but I want what I want. 3 cu ft for $8 and change.

Subject: Pine bark fines Replies: 24
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Anyone use these? http://www.agway.com/catalog/home_and_garden/mulches/pine/10202313_agway_pine_bark_mulch_3_cuft.html
I did notice lots of shredded wood in the bag from Home Depot. The bag from Agway looks very barky.

Subject: Pine bark fines Replies: 24
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It is the Timberline stuff. It is also the closest to what I wanted that I can find in this area. It was 3.57 Per bag.

Subject: Pine bark fines Replies: 24
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I know several of you guys have been looking for them. These are pretty close.
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100350635/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=Soil+conditioner&storeId=10051
I bought some and some particles were bigger than advertised but for the most part I think this will work just fine. It is the purple bag.

Subject: Where do you guys get your weather from Replies: 32
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Hi Marcus
My stuff has been outside for a while now. I generally don't worry until they predict under 33. Sometimes the leaves get frost burn but it beats hauling them in and out.
Jason

Subject: Walnut shells as a potting mix amendment Replies: 18
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Thank you. I have moved on to cocoa bean hulls in lieu of pine bark fines.

Subject: Potting mix experiment- Semi-Gritty and Pro-mix combo Replies: 152
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@ chivas- I think we are using 2 different things. I am using cocoa bean hulls which are comparable to pine bark fines and you are using coco coir which is the furry stuff on coconuts. Anyways, I think coir is a peat moss replacement. Good luck with your drip this season.

Subject: Potting mix experiment- Semi-Gritty and Pro-mix combo Replies: 152
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Still no pine bark fines so I am using cocoa bean hulls instead. My current mix is 1/3 cocoa bean hulls, 1/2 Pro-mix brk, and 1/6 chunky perlite. My other formula dries out too fast and it isn't even summer yet. Plus turface is too expensive and heavy for 100 trees.

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Subject: Hope my figs survive in a portable greenhouse Replies: 7
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That's a great deal dawg. "wicked", do you live somewhere in New England? I only hear my relatives outside of Boston, MA say that.

 


Subject: Hope my figs survive in a portable greenhouse Replies: 7
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I went to check on the figs this morning and they are perfect. It was pretty toasty in there. I might have not needed the heater which was small and doesn't work well to begin with.

I am planning on getting a real greenhouse in the fall but for the money this isn't bad for now.

 

@Dieseler- No anchors yet. I just got it yesterday for the hard freeze. I wedged my heavy 25 gallon pots in each corner and it didnt move even with 35 mph wind. It was also pretty sturdy for a cheapo greenhouse. It has a metal frame that I plant to screw into some 4x4 posts made into a rectangular frame.

 

@Remp- I am going today to buy wood for the frame and also a thermometer to see the temperature difference.

 

@go4broek- It actually feels pretty durable. I am going to use it this season till I get my big greenhouse.

 

@armando93223- I think it is worth it. It's actually better than I thought it would be.

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Subject: Hope my figs survive in a portable greenhouse Replies: 7
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I went to Home Depot today planning on looking at patio heaters to keep the figs from freezing tonight when I  saw a portable 6x8 greenhouse for $179.00. I decided to buy it and assembled it in 30 min. I loaded it with all the figs on my patio and put a indoor/outdoor space heater in it. Hope it is enough to keep them from freezing. Hope my figs don't suffer from my laziness.

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Subject: I need help with a Fig ID Replies: 27
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Ok. We'll try to Id in the summer. It is much easier when there is access to ripe fruit and mature leaves.

Subject: Potting mix experiment- Semi-Gritty and Pro-mix combo Replies: 152
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This is a picture of one of my current formulas. It is 2/3 turface, perlite, and vermiculite. the other 1/3 is pro-mix and licorice bark.

I am still searching for Pine Bark fines in South Jersey.

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Subject: Potting mix experiment- Semi-Gritty and Pro-mix combo Replies: 152
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@Brent- I never thought of using two mixes in the same pot.


Subject: Potting mix experiment- Semi-Gritty and Pro-mix combo Replies: 152
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@Kerry- I am not sure yet.I did 10 20gallon pots with varied amounts. One thing for sure is I like using mulch or fines and turface in the mix. I think it really helps with compaction and aeration. I am leaning towards 2 parts pro mix, 3 parts fines or mulch, 2 parts turface, 2 parts chunky perlite, and 1 part chunky vermiculite.

@ Brent- The problem was the mix coming out of the big drain holes. I just put a 2 inch layer of Pine bark nuggets on the bottom and that fixed the issue.


Subject: Potting mix experiment- Semi-Gritty and Pro-mix combo Replies: 152
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My new current recipe on trial is:

Licorice Mulch(Couldn't find Pine bark fines and I like what I read)

Pro-mix BX

Chunky perlite

Turface

Chunky Vermiculite(I saw your post James but I have a massive bag in the garage)

 

Pine bark nuggets at the bottom of the pot to keep the mix from running out since it is so loose.


Subject: Potting mix experiment- Semi-Gritty and Pro-mix combo Replies: 152
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Kerry,
I gave been reading lots of the posts lately and I am going to try a mix that has more pine bark fines in addition to the other ingredients. Also mentioned Pbfs are very cost effective. The turface does mix well into pro mix I was concerned that some ingredients might settle. I have a couple pots done and one of these formulas will be a winner. Will keep you posted.

Subject: Pine Bark Container Mix Replies: 8
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Are you guys amending with lime when using lots of pine bark fines?

Subject: 55 gallon drum sip containers Replies: 16
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@Kerry- Nice design on your SIP.

@Marcus- Pro-mix is fine in SIP.


Subject: Potting mix experiment- Semi-Gritty and Pro-mix combo Replies: 152
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That's just what I need! I was looking at their website and I want to try the cocoa shell mulch as a top dressing too.


Subject: Potting mix experiment- Semi-Gritty and Pro-mix combo Replies: 152
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I am going to experiment this year with my mix to try to accomplish these goals:

Reduce compaction

Increase aeration

Keep the weight low

Keep costs low too

Lower water retention of mix vs. Pro-mix only

 

The ingredients I found semi-local to me:

Co-op Growers-

Pro-mix BX 3.8 cu ft $27.99

Pro-mix BRK 2.8 cu ft $14.99

Coarse Perlite 20lbs $20ish

Coarse Vermiculite 20lbs $20ish

John Deere-

Turface All Sport 50lbs $16.80(think I can do better)

 

Pine Bark Fines????? I can't find them fine enough so I might use Pro-mix BRK

I am going to mix it up so actual peat will be about 1/4-1/2 of total mix. I mads some tonight and it looks promising. I will take pictures of the mix and raw materials tomorrow. The compaction and weight is already better than fully saturated Pro-mix.

 

Does anybody want to share some mix recipes that meet my criteria?

 


Subject: I need some opinions on up potting. Replies: 29
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Must be nice eating fresh figs in December....so jealous!


Subject: I need some opinions on up potting. Replies: 29
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Marcus,

Don't know if you need chunky vermiculite but I just bought a massive bag for $22 @Co op


Subject: I need some opinions on up potting. Replies: 29
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Now until they wake up is a good time to repot. I have to start now because I have too many to do at once. Luke you got some large trees and they are due for a big root pruning and repot. Black jack, Green Ischia NOT, Osborne Prolific, Texas Everbearing off the top of my head. Also, I like to repot or up pot plants that were uppotted mid season and not root pruned. I don't like to root prune or even loosen up the root ball in the summer during a repot. I think it is too stressful on the plant instead I wait until they are dormant and chop away.


Subject: I need some opinions on up potting. Replies: 29
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Bill has lots of varieties, he just doesn't sell them. He does have a few gems though. If you've never been there it is worth the trip to see his mini orchard.


Subject: I need some opinions on up potting. Replies: 29
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I bought a couple from Bill too. He uses soil from a farm down the road. It took me forever to bare-root those trees as well. Bill doesn't bare-root, he chops off the sides and the bottom of the root mass and soil. It must work because he has some pretty old trees in 20 gallon pots and they always look great.

Subject: I need some opinions on up potting. Replies: 29
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You should untangle roots, cut off dead ones, cut off any giant roots, shorten the really long roots, and check for anything bad like RKN or disease. I usually cut off about 1/4 to 1/3 of the roots. Don't worry they will grow back fast.


Subject: I need some opinions on up potting. Replies: 29
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Hi Marcus,

It's a good time to bare root and root prune vs just tossing them in a bigger pot. It will save you work later and they'll grow better too. Some of those plants are getting root bound. I was doing that all week long.

Jason


Subject: Walnut shells as a potting mix amendment Replies: 18
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Grant,

Black or English walnut?


Subject: Walnut shells as a potting mix amendment Replies: 18
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I have heard of that but I thought it was the black variety. I guess I will look for something else.


Subject: Another plus for soil less potting mixes like Pro-mix Replies: 31
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They'll be fine as long as you keep the trees in the garage.


Subject: Rooting Poll Replies: 35
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#4! Plastic shoe box with 70/30 Pro-mix/ perlite.

Great for several cuttings of same variety like UCD cutting.


Subject: Another plus for soil less potting mixes like Pro-mix Replies: 31
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I add some if I add pine bark fines. I add osmocote slow release fertilizer mixed in the mix during repot.

I do plan on adding more fines this year to my older trees.


Subject: Another plus for soil less potting mixes like Pro-mix Replies: 31
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The bag is as big or bigger than the promix bale. I don't remember the price but definitely a value.

 

I gently pat the mix down but leave it fairly loose until I put out in the spring. It will be lighter to move and give it a heavy watering and top off the pot with mix and some mulch on top. The mulch will hold in the moisture plus keep the mix and perlite in place.


Subject: Another plus for soil less potting mixes like Pro-mix Replies: 31
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You should repot this one. The mix probably is isn't evenly moistened. Take the tree out. Get a large bucket or container dump the mix in and moisten it until it resembles moist fluffy chocolate cake. If you are worried about filling the air pockets shake the container every few scoops.

 

Also, next time you go to co op get the bulk bag of perlite it is a good deal.


Subject: Walnut shells as a potting mix amendment Replies: 18
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Last year I bought a Monrovia Kadota and instead of mix the pot was filled with crushed nut shells(almost all english walnut with pecan shell sprinkled in). I was thinking of adding some to my potting mix to lower weight, increase aeration and drainage, and reduce compaction. Has anyone done this?

 

I have done a web search and it is readily available as pet bedding and as a blasting agent but I haven't seen it just slightly crushed.

 

Plan B is turface if I can find some.


Subject: Another plus for soil less potting mixes like Pro-mix Replies: 31
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With the Pro-mix it is best to pre moisten the mix. For a winter repot, I keep it moist. If water is coming out of the holes it is way too wet. They are going to sitting that way for a couple more months. I am writing a post now about possible amendments.


Subject: Another plus for soil less potting mixes like Pro-mix Replies: 31
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@Ed. At the end of the season, I let them dry out and they are very light to move. I do agree with you on water retention. I am going to experiment this year with pine bark fines ratio and possibly adding turface.

@Marcus. If those skinny brown roots are dead cut them off. Nice pruning job BTW. How long did it take you?


Subject: Another plus for soil less potting mixes like Pro-mix Replies: 31
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I would love to use gritty mix with my figs but I wouldn't be able to lift the 20+ gallon pots with gritty mix in them. How do you move your big trees Ed?


Subject: Another plus for soil less potting mixes like Pro-mix Replies: 31
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This is a Hardy Chicago EL airlayer from last season. Those trees are very vigorous. It was already root bound and knotted up pretty good. I potted it in Pro-mix last summer and it came right off with a hose and a dunk in a bucket of water.I cut off the thick roots plus 1/3 of the rest in the 1st and 2nd pictures and untangled the rest.The whole procedure took about 20 minutes.

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Subject: The Great Airlayer Experiment Replies: 14
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Update: Both the rootball base and top trunk just got root pruned and repotted. The rootball of the original tree was a tangled mess. It took me three hours to prune it and untangle the rest of the roots. The new top trunk tree's roots were already massive and very significant after 1/2 season. The melanzanas look great.

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Subject: Another plus for soil less potting mixes like Pro-mix Replies: 31
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Similiar but much finer. I think I will like it. Now I'll have to locate bales.


Subject: Another plus for soil less potting mixes like Pro-mix Replies: 31
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I don't recall what brand but I usually have a hard time locating fine bark. The promix brk has perfect sized bark to add a little structure to the mix. But right now many of my older trees still have plain promix. I just started adding stuff last year.


Subject: Another plus for soil less potting mixes like Pro-mix Replies: 31
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I add about 20-30% extra perlite for cuttings. I root them horizontally in a plastic box and then transfer directly to pots. Less perlite for my 1-6 gallons. Fine pinebark and no extra perlite for my 20 gallon or larger.

 

Marcus I was there on Monday too. I picked up 7 bales of BX and a bag of BRK to try out. They have nice deals there.

 

I spent today getting my big older figs ready for spring.


Subject: Another plus for soil less potting mixes like Pro-mix Replies: 31
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I was up-potting, root pruning, and refeshing the potting mix in some of my fig trees in sizes 3gallon-20 gallon. I noticed a big difference in effort to get the mix off the roots with the Pro-mix. It all came off with a garden hose in less than 5 min each for all of them. When I was using actual soil it was like a big block of clay and I couldn't get most of it off. I actually cut off a couple inches on the sides and the bottom soil and all.

 

It was so easy untangling and trimming the bare roots. I finished 10 trees in two hours. Last season it sometimes took two hours for one tree in regular soil based mixes.


 

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