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Subject: Available cuttings 1/26 Replies: 85
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Wills,

You need to be more sensitive. I am thinking Miss Alma's feelings are a little hurt right now.

Subject: Help write a guide Replies: 21
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Sorry Scott,

I did stray to the rooting topic, I guess this time of year that's were my mind is at.

Subject: The mist cloner is complete Replies: 124
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Damn Bob,

I bought one. You just had make it to easy researching the lowest price.

Subject: Help write a guide Replies: 21
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 739
 

While a short concise instruction set is best for a beginner, I am pretty sure you would never gain a consensus from members senior or rookie on many points. There are many ways to successful root and nurture a fig.  Some of the nastiest discussions on this forum have origin to rooting methods, soil science etc… There are basic principles that I think most agree on concerning moisture and temperature management and such, but it is half comical and half frustrating to watch a discussion on methods that can both work and are 95% the same in principle create such an uproar. I have seen rookie’s root 10 cuttings with 100% on their 1st attempt and argue to no limit that what they followed was the best way ever, even to points that likely had little impact on results. Many folks have probably had experiences like myself where it seems like although I tried to follow exactly the methods that before provided good results only to watch in frustration as I lost rooted cuttings and trying to figure out what I did different. While I appreciate the desire for black and white there is not one black and white and there is a lot of gray swirling about. It may be overwhelming trying to decide on a rooting manner most will likely settle on method that works for them. Culture on growing an established plant is more straight forward. Figs are tough plants and if you lose one there is normally a pretty clear indicator. Just my thoughts but I don’t think you will see one collaborative document that everyone agrees with as we have too many egos and personalities.  But I do hope you come up with another document to reference and debated discussion is good as well just hoping it remains civil and respectful.


Subject: Wild Cherry, scion friendly? Replies: 2
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Greg,

I have grafted Northstar (dwarf sour cherry) to a native. I beleive is native Black cherry, and to seedlings of some Ornamental weeping cherry which I imagine was Yoshino. I actually posted in that gardenweb thread linked above

Subject: OT: Flat Wonderful™ Peach Replies: 12
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Scott,

I grow it, but have yet to taste it. It had lots of blooms last spring It's 2nd year but all my peach blooms got hit by a late freeze last Year. I will say it is very ornamental, with burgandy foliage that keeps it's color for a long time. PM me I am sure I can send you some scion.

Subject: Any fig places to visit in or near Orlando Replies: 8
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Paul,

This guy is interesting to visit. Not so much for figs, but for tropicals. He is just out of his house but his yard is covered up if in the Winter Garden area. A good break when I was visiting the MIL and picked up a few things.

http://orlando.craigslist.org/fod/4789636397.html

Subject: Strawberry Verte Replies: 11
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Tyro.

I see you have been a member for awhile but not many Posts. Please post and share more all your plants have great form, and great work you have going.

Subject: The Not-Enough-Pictures-Lately Contest Replies: 27
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Yeah!!  I thought all the green were the same but your hint about 3 right placed it for me

Subject: The Not-Enough-Pictures-Lately Contest Replies: 27
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Hardy Chicago Condria  RDB Pete's Honey


Subject: The Not-Enough-Pictures-Lately Contest Replies: 27
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Petite Negri-Condira-RDB

Subject: The Not-Enough-Pictures-Lately Contest Replies: 27
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Gino's Black-Condria-RDB

Subject: The Not-Enough-Pictures-Lately Contest Replies: 27
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Hardy Chicago Condria  RDB

Subject: persimmon cutting Replies: 18
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Yes that shape looks like a couple of the common planted non-astringent  squat oblate shape. So it is 4 segmented like that or more rounded consistently?  The most common astringents are not as squat more acorn shaped with a slight point to the end. Like Goss states try one after they color up well but prior to softening. If it is astringent your first taste which I suggest be a small one will tell. If you have a very uncomfortable sensation kind of like your face trying to be sucked up it's astringent.

Subject: persimmon cutting Replies: 18
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Pino,

What Richard described is a Astringent Kaki. It could be cold hardy relative to other Kaki, but Richards zone 8 location is not a good hardiness test. In general several of the ones normally considered more hardy are astringent, but that might just because there are many more astringent than non-astringent cultivars.

Richard,

Do you have a photo of the fruit, that might give us some likely suspects of cultivar. Some are identifiable. Like if they have a indented ring  that kind of looks like acorn cap would likely Tamopan, Some cultivars were planted much more than others in past.

Subject: persimmon cutting Replies: 18
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The Persimmon fruit you describe is certainly a Kaki and almost surely Grafted so a Sucker from the root system would likely not fruit true. Not to discourage anyone from trying but want your expectations in line with the probable. Grafting the scion is the way to go.

Subject: Shake Your Fig Baby Replies: 3
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Look what Santa put on my Christmas table

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Subject: OT Persimmon Scion Request Replies: 19
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 924
 

Charlie,

PM me. I am sure I can get you some scion. Persimmon is not hard to graft I use a simple bark graft most times similar to that Kelby linked. I seem to have better results doing later than say apples. pears.  Just about when bud swells works good for me.  Critical to rub all shoots from the stock or they will zap the energy to scion.

Subject: OT: Some other fruit tree scionwood available Replies: 12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by greg88

others of interest include:
Korean Giant  Asian pear
Seckel
Shinko  Asian
Hosui  Asian

Belle of Georgia Peach
  a white peach
 Red haven


Greg, I have most of those Will send you a PM

Subject: OT: Some other fruit tree scionwood available Replies: 12
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Kelby,

I can send you some persimmon seed and probably Goldrush as well when I send the figs.  I have several pears, I think you saw my fruit listing on another forum, take a look at that. The persimmon seed is still under the tree not sure how sensitive persimmon is about drying out so viability may be diminished. I will gathering scion in Jan.   

Subject: OT: Persimmons Replies: 119
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Subject: Going to be a busy winter...... Replies: 48
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Envious,

Wills must have been good this year, someone really came down your chimney early.

Subject: 3 Gallon Black Madeira $29.99 Replies: 71
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Just is case it wasn’t clear in my prior post I DO like JF&E. I have spent more money with them than any other Nursery, and will continue to purchase from them. Their selection on Persimmon is one of the best.   I don’t know these BM are even the same ones I observed when I was there, as like I stated they were going to remove BM labeling, but even then maybe they changed their mind. Mine is one opinion and I expressed it to the owner, I sincerely hope Folks do receive BM, and what you receive will be the true judge. Coming from FL they might even have leaves remaining so Dennis, Bill and others might even get a good indication on arrival. Maybe I should have stated nothing, but I wanted folks at least aware of what I observed.  All nurseries make mistakes. It is not an attempt to deceive by them, and I am thrilled to see a nursery try to offer the best cultivars they can. They are charging the same reasonable price as for any other fig they offer.  


Subject: 3 Gallon Black Madeira $29.99 Replies: 71
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Last year JF&E had some young Black Madeira started that I am pretty certain were not as Labeled.  I think highly of the nursery and have bought a lot of plants from them, but I just want to put some input here. I was there last fall in their growing area and saw a couple small weak 3 gal BM that looked correct.  I asked Brandy the owner about them, and she said had a bunch of better ones. When she showed them to me I told her those sure didn’t look like BM. The wood for these she had obtained from someone else that she listed by name. I don’t know the person, but am familiar with their name from NAFEX and SFF, as far as I know never saw them on the fig forums. Brandy also showed me a potted mother tree they had started from UC Davis USDA, and it looked correct. The couple weaker looking plants were not with the other young plants and the started dates that JF&E uses on their tags was older. I purchased one of these and this year it was dead on to my own BM started from UC Davis.  At that time I was there I convinced Brandy after she did some looking online that the others were not BM and she was going to remove the BM Labeling.  I obviously can't’state for certain what they have now is not true, and sure don’t want to badmouth a nursery where I have spent more money than any other, and will purchase from again. The person Brandy got the cuttings from is respected as well, but we all know how easy it is to obtain a mislabeled fig, so just putting this out there so folks are not surprised if they turn out not true. 


Subject: Please Update Your cutting wish list Replies: 79
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Very Nice Dennis,

I can cover your own signature list , Mine is up to date.

Best Figs to you

Phil

Subject: Give me the finger Replies: 27
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Wills,

I am shipping this one to you. If you are successful rooting let me know. I should have waited until dormant, but if this one doesn't take for you I have about 7 more, but it is getting tough typing;( finger.jpg 


Subject: Is Zingarella/Gypsy the same as Sal's Corleone? Replies: 70
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Quote:
Originally Posted by snaglpus
Hey Steve, there is one major thing that most are forgetting....... Where Mr Watts live, so does the wasp. All figs caprified in CA taste freaking amazing! Ha! How bout those figs!!!!!
  Very good point Dennis 

Subject: OT anyone want to trade pomegranate cuttings this fall Replies: 22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GregMartin
Do any of you have the cultivar 'Favorite'?  Has it fruited for you?  I'd really love to get some seeds to play with from this one if possible.


Greg,

I have Lyubimyi  which I beleive is the original name for Favorite. Edible landscape Nursery states "Favorite is the Russian pomegranate variety Lyubimy which translates to Favorite."  the spelling is a little different than I received as so I am not 100%. It has not fruited for me yet.

Subject: OT anyone want to trade pomegranate cuttings this fall Replies: 22
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 908
 

I have about 25 cultivars I will PM you a list. Many are young and in pots and they will go in ground next spring, Some are big enough for cuttings. I only had 6 cultivar in ground last winter. I can give you a rundown on those results,

Subject: OT De-seed Pomegranates Replies: 24
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I am growing several cultivars and thought this would be the year I get to taste several more, every thing in-ground was either winter killed to the ground or dead, some made decent regrowth but no fruit. Most I have still in pots and going into ground next spring regardless going to let Mother Nature cull them for me. Almost all the fruits I had on the potted plants split. Moisture related I am sure.

Most of my pots are rooted into the ground. I know Figs don't come back from the in ground roots when I move pots, but how about Pomegranates?  Trying to figure out if worth marking  where each pot set to keep the cultivar straight.

Subject: Race against time Replies: 6
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Scott,

You are off to a good 1st year. Next year you will have more and the 3rd year will be big for you.

Subject: OT my first ripe persimmon Replies: 60
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 2,267
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by indestructible87
Is it possible to graft non astringent to an astringent variety and vice versa?


Yes you can but most grafted on east coast are on our native Persimmon Diospyros virginiana. Seems like lots of west coast trees on Lotus.

Subject: OT my first ripe persimmon Replies: 60
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Luv my Kaki simmons have about 20 cultivars but most are pre-fruiting age. Should have several ripening , but not for another month or 2, Did Get to eat some native ones already though.

Subject: Least favorite fig 2014 Replies: 3
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How would you describe the taste of your White Genoa. I struggle to because mine was very bland. Maybe It will improve. I am glad to hear yours was good. I think 4 folks tasted nobody really cared for it.

Subject: Should I avoid planting in this soil? Replies: 18
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The fact that everyone is on septic indicates drainage in your general area is not bad and the ground passed perculation tests. Many areas will do this after extended rains.I would give a few a try, and ask your close neighbors and observe what they have planted and if they have issues related to high water table or poor drainage. I don't believe figs are any more sensitive than most plants to wet bottoms so unless your yard is a drainage area think looking at what your neighbors have planted  might lower your concerns.

Subject: Least favorite fig 2014 Replies: 3
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Way early to vote off the Island as plenty of time for another to disappoint, but of the 47 cultivars I have tasted this year, I think based on taste alone I would have to single out White Genoa. I think the only ones that had any taste at all were the soured ones. 1st year fruiting for me seems productive with large figs, but very little flavor. I guess fruiting alone would put her above others, as I probably would enjoyed it if she was fruiting in April and fig starved, but not right with rest of my mid-season figs.  I have tried her at all stages of ripeness and in  pretty water deprived at ripening but failed to impress. Interested to hear others comments on White Genoa and others that are receiving failing grades for you. I know Location, Location, Location can make all the difference 

Subject: Three very similar figs Replies: 22
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I was asked about Sal's Corleone and  Acciano being the same in a separate thread, up to that point I had not considered due to the fruit size difference. My Sal's Corleone is huge,  Acciano good sized but probably less than 1/2 the weight. I do see and taste similarities but I am not sure 1st year fruiting for both for me. Yours don't show the size differential mine do, so maybe I have something cultural going on different.

Subject: Bunch of figs and ratings Replies: 44
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Really Nice Art,

I do similar with the cutting board and the other day I did not keep level and shuffled them all up. I started using those plastic containers that hold a dozen apples. opened up you can separate 24 cultivars, if even only for a couple of each. 

Subject: Malta Black Replies: 7
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It's a nice fig Steve. I think underrated or at least under-discussed.  

Subject: 2014 First main crop RdB Replies: 13
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 572
 
Thanks,

I know they love berries, luckily I have not had them yet, or I have just been eating them.  Others in my area have reported them, but mostly as you on berries.

Subject: 2014 First main crop RdB Replies: 13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cis4elk
the damn SWD will find those cracks and lay eggs on them in no time flat.




Calvin,

I have been worried about this pest and actually started a topic on SWD some time back, but I don't see many folks complaining about them on figs. Do you have a big issue with them? I was worried as unlike most fruit flies that bothers fruit after prime, as I understand these get to the fruit even before ripe.

Subject: OT: Chestnut Harvest question Replies: 26
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 744
 
Kelby,

Not Harvey, but I have seen a lot of both native American and Asian chestnuts. Most the American have been suckers from the stumps of old trees that got blight. The ones I grow are supposedly Hybrid but they show more Asian character to me.  On the leaf Chinese would normally have a hair like fuzz on the underside, American would be smooth. The American  leaf seems narrower with the teeth on the leaf curved somewhat.
Here is a good reference
http://www.acf.org/find_a_tree.php

Subject: OT: Chestnut Harvest question Replies: 26
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 744
 
Harvey,

I have the weevils here, and get the small white grub in some of mine. I try to pick up as soon as i can. but most I consume I try to knock straight from the tree and pick up then on a day when I see alot of burs open with the seed still in. Most mine fall free from the bur. Are you saying that white  weevil grub gets in them after on the ground?  Guess I assumed they were already in them when on the tree.

Subject: OT: Chestnut Harvest question Replies: 26
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It's best if they just fall from the bur, but they don't all cooperate. A thick pair of gloves and grabing it between the hands and a twist works good for me. If it should open easy if the bur is still green and doesn't open easy just let it dry a day or so.

Subject: Looking for an ID confirmation Replies: 6
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 417
 
Neil,

Well I guess I should say It doesn't look like my Excel based on having that long of neck. Mine were rooted from USDA Davis and actually have from another source that looks the same. Mine look like Marios in that thread you linked, but never quite as big as post 11 in that thread. But always yellow and round without much of a neck. My Excel is at 12:00 in this post http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/coke-the-pause-that-refreshes-7039549?pid=1283939806#post1283939806

But that's just my opinion and I'm wrong at least as often as right.


Subject: Looking for an ID confirmation Replies: 6
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 417
 
That's not Excel

Subject: How many ripe fresh figs you can eat at one time? Replies: 22
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 4,694
 
I am pretty sure I have eaten over 50 celeste in a setting, I have visions of Cool Hand Luke taking in the eggs.

Subject: Salce 7-27-14 Replies: 11
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Mike,

Just got my second or so today as well. I wish I had taken a photo, it's a really nice looking fig.

Subject: Very Merry Berry Visit Replies: 2
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 209
 

My wife and I headed to visit Charitup (Goss)  and after sampling about 20 cultivars fig we toted up we got to some serious Raspberry pickin. Goss has wonderful orchard started at the home place he grew up at. Beautiful place in the mountains with acres and acres to to grow about everything. I just can't figure out why it took him 60 years to get figgin up there:)

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My wife and Goss Fighting over a berry

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Heritage and Anne Raspberries
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Subject: OT Time to head down to the Pawpaw patch Replies: 38
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,062
 
Looks like one of you found my patch, or someone did thinking 2 legged as they only left the smalls, or maybe it was a bad year. This are pretty small to get over a spoonful, but the seeds can be grown for rootstock.

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