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Subject: OT: mulberry update. Replies: 33
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Pete,

I ordered some of those same ones, if I ever get my USDA order I had Kokuso No. 20 , Beautiful Day, Phil's White, Kangwon No. 3, Oscars, Black Mulberry and Shah Tut on it, Assuming it comes at some time I guess I will have to root, think my window to graft has passed by. I have failed rooting Beautiful Day, Phil's White,  Black Mulberry and some others prior. I got one Kokuso to root last year. The ones I had good success rooting from USDA are Shangri La and Middleton on years prior.
 
My inground mulbery got hit by the late cold last week. Girardi Dwarf was loaded with fruit, and got hit but it will bounce back with foilage not sure about more fruit this year. I actually pulled out potted up in the garage, the ones I had just set out this spring the night prior the freeze, then set them back out a couple days later. My Pakistan was dead from the winter's low already. It's grafted and so I am sure it's gone, nothing from below soil would be Pakistan. My Black Beauty got hit by winters lows much harder than I initially thought, but it was coming back low to ground, but that got nailed last week, so not sure now.

WillsC,

Stress will cause fruit to try and reproduce, but I think the fruit blooms on Mulberry are fruit buds that developed prior to the cutting ever being taken as opposed to stress related. I can't imagine the fruiting bud developing after the cutting was taken, but I always pinch them off as soon as I can ID as bloom not leaf.

Subject: OT: is it 5 o'clock yet? has anyone seen Sweetcrisp BB? Replies: 18
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Frank,

I got my Sweetcrisp from Just Fruits and Exotics right near you. I see they show Out of stock, but they will put you on a waitlist to call. At least they have me for plants prior.

Subject: My New Friend "Sun Calc" Replies: 13
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Bob,

Peterson does not sell his Pawpaw direct anymore, but he lists some sources, many the same I listed.  On germinating seed it needs to be stratified and even then comes up late sometimes into July/Aug to germinate for me. Pawpaw is reported to come more true to seed than many fruit, but I don't know that I graft over seedlings. I have some limited  seed that I need to set out now, been moist in fridge since last fall.

Subject: My New Friend "Sun Calc" Replies: 13
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 690
 
I would go with Pawpaw from someplace that does potted Plants. Forrest Keeling nursery, One Green World, Burnt Ridge, Stark Brothers, Edible Landscaping all carry Potted grafted trees. There are probably others as well. Some other reputable nursery that carry bareroot are England's nursery, Nolin River, and Hidden Springs but many folks have had poor luck with bareroot Pawpaw myself included. I have never lost one purchased potted, but think I was 1 for 8 after a slow decline of a couple years with Hidden Springs Pawpaw. Willis has nice prices on those seedlings and I have not purchased from them, but check out the reviews on that nursery. Seedling trees can be quit variable as well and I would not even trust Willis to choose his seedlings from select plants.

Subject: My New Friend "Sun Calc" Replies: 13
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 690
 
I would take anything Willis Orchard states with a grain on salt. PawPaw are naturally a understory plant, and are a great fruiting plant for shady areas, as they will fruit some there as opposed to many plants, but they only need the protection from full sun for a couple years at least in your climate. In the Southwest I think they might need some shade. They will produce better the more sun they get, so if you prefer Pawpaw there go for it, but many times folks don't give their Pawpaw nice sun locations as it is one of the few fruiting options for more shady locations. I would look more on Willis reviews prior to ordering from them. I can list some alternatives if you wish.

Subject: UC Davis Cutting delivery STARTED !!! wohoooooo. Replies: 105
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Harvey,

My experience matches more with James.  A few cultivar mulberry have rooted readily for me, most have not. Some have rooted and then faded, so maybe I just have not got it down yet. Most all callus heavy for me with the exception of Girardi  Dwarf, and most places it is listed as Alba, but never seemed to even attempt to root for me.   I don’t believe a Alba is a Alba is a Alba.  There seems to be inconsistency on species labeling. You mentioned Oscar. USDA Davis lists Oscars as a hybrid, but lists another Oscar as Nigra. At least what is generally available as Oscar is not Nigra in my thoughts.  Whitman farms calls Oscar as Alba.  Kokuso is a good example USDA Davis calls it Alba, Whitman Farms I believe labels it a cross,   Burnt Ridge calls it Morus latifolia. Pakistan according to USDA  and Edible landscape is Morus macroura , Whitman Farms and Burnt Ridge label it Alba.

 Not that I want to quote  Wiikipedia  as an authority on fruits, but I do agree with this statement “The taxonomy of Morus is complex and disputed. Over 150 species names have been published, and although differing sources may cite different selections of accepted names, only 10–16 are generally cited as being accepted by the vast majority of botanical authorities. Morus classification is even further complicated by widespread hybridization, where in the hybrids are fertile.”

Then you have Morus Nigra, which I understand is a hybrid that originated somewhere in Asia but is found nowhere in the wild today, and that all our Nigra cultivars are just mutations from each other. It’s different in it’s chromosome count with I believe 308 as opposed to 28 of the other species, and as I understand it’s a sterile plant.  The graft failed I did try of my Black Beauty and another scion I received from USDA that was not listed as Nigra, but the buds sure looked like Nigra to me, for what little I know as ID seems complicated.    


Subject: UC Davis Cutting delivery STARTED !!! wohoooooo. Replies: 105
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James,

Sorry I misunderstood about the Hunza black taking already. You promised to hold the door open until everyone passed. Always the gentleman.

Subject: UC Davis Cutting delivery STARTED !!! wohoooooo. Replies: 105
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Is anyone else still waiting on their order that was placed prior to deadline, or I am standing here by myself.

Subject: Should I get another fig tree? Replies: 19
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The answer you will get here is always get another fig even if you have 1000

Subject: Frost Damage In The South Replies: 24
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,065
 
Really not that bad, as a year of fruit is not hurtful as losing actual plants. Even the foliage damage should re-leaf back out. I am starting to be a little less high on Kaki as this is beginning to be almost the norm for me. Having them do fine in single digits in full winter dormancy only to take damage in the high 20s in spring.

Subject: Frost Damage In The South Replies: 24
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,065
 
Mike,

I had not set any figs out this spring yet, and the prior in ground were already dead at least to ground.  I did yank 3 Kaki persimmon and 5 Mulberry that I set out this spring and threw them back in pots and inside. I am glad I did as lots of young foilage damaged last night on other persimmon, Mulberry Kiwi, and probably lots of other things as far as the blooms. My blueberry were covered in bloom the blooms look sorry this am, the foilage is ok. What temp is fatal to Blueberry blooms? I think I was around the 27F forecast. Most my potted figs got moved in, but some I laid down and tarped, where it touched the tarp damaged.

Subject: Mother Nature is speaking to you. Replies: 9
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 642
 
Hum,

Who noticed the Deli containers over Mother's shoulder and was thinking they could use  those to start cuttings in.

Subject: so i got a notice email for USDA/UCD cuttings. Replies: 21
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 777
 
Tam Kam is Kaki.  Many of the State forestry services in our area offer American "Diospyros virginiana" in their seedling programs very reasonable
but they likley done with those offerings for this year  you being in NC here is the NC link,
http://ncforestservice.gov/nursery/pdf/NCFS_Tree_Seedling_Catalog.pdf

I know some folks use http://www.superiortrees.net/  Probably Musser forest offers it as well.

You Likely have native trees around you if you want to try and dig some locally.

Subject: so i got a notice email for USDA/UCD cuttings. Replies: 21
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 777
 
I assume it was Kaki you ordered which can be grafted to either Kaki itself, American or Lotus. Most East coast grafting is on American, which is the easiest rootstock for us to obtain. A lot of west coast trees are grafted to lotus.

Subject: so i got a notice email for USDA/UCD cuttings. Replies: 21
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 777
 
I have had varying luck with rooting Mulberry. Some cultivar I have reasonable success with others I strike out completely I don't even beleive all Alba are equal in their ease  of rooting, but maybe they are not all Alba, USDA even has some labeled wrong in general belief of species I believe.

Pete, if you plan on clonex rooting your persimmon you might want to rethink that. I don't  really think they will root for you. 

James, Make sure I get through that door before you close the line.

Subject: Mother Nature is speaking to you. Replies: 9
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Subject: question for graft experts. Replies: 12
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 544
 
Not a expert, but I have grafted a lot of different plants including mulberry. I would just leave it. If anything just wrap it for support with possibly a stake for awhile. Within a relative short time as the diameter grows what appears bad now will become negligible.

Subject: UC Davis Cutting delivery STARTED !!! wohoooooo. Replies: 105
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 4,700
 
Agree, latest ever. The persimmon and Mulberry likely a waste if not received soon, maybe already as my window to graft is passing by.

Subject: "The Big Kill"....Winter of 2013 - 2014 Replies: 131
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 6,659
 

How many of you think desiccation or too wet played a major role in the potted plants you had stored inside.  I know NewnanDawg took considerable damage that he has not detailed here as of yet. Sorry Mike if you wanted private family ceremony, and I know you have not wrote the obituary yet, still holding hope.  My in ground trees are all dead to ground, hopeful on all putting out great growth from the established root systems. I believe I took no loss on stored trees. I took pretty good care to make sure they did not get too dry. Small watering’s with special attention to the smaller pots. Once the media dries too far, it tends to just run off down the side.  On the trees you lost check the soil was it overly wet?  Frank you stated your root bark was slipping off, that might result from  too  moist.  Mike,  I know you suspect too dry on many of yours.  I know some folks state they maybe water 1 or 2 times a winter, I don’t believe that will suffice, more frequent very light watering. Try and check the moisture level prior to watering on discovery of a lost tree. Just hoping some of the losses are within a more correctable measure than climate control.


Subject: OT Mulberry Replies: 37
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,279
 
I did not even look at your location, maybe too hot. They do tolerate shade, probably need it in TX. Ask Lucile if they would grow there for you, and which cultivars. Like I said she is the Gooseberry Queen.  I only have Pixwell in ground present, which normally doesn't get high marks. I plan to try Poorman and a couple others within a year or 2.

Subject: OT Mulberry Replies: 37
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,279
 
If you order from Lucile you need to order some Ribes.  She is the Gooseberry Queen. In a couple years when I get some of my slower to bear things established, I will be ordering from her.

Subject: OT Mulberry Replies: 37
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,279
 
Girardi  is a true dwarf mulberry. The nodes are very close, thus lots of fruit in a small package The tree is only supposed to get about 6 foot.  I tasted some fruit on mine last year and found it very nice. Probably not in Nigra league. From what I know of Nigra I wonder if that one on ebay is even Nigra. Not saying it is not but they has been much mis-classification  on Mulberry. I don't grow mine in pot, but I think dwarf would easier than most the standard size. It is proving Hardy, no winter damage seeing 1F this winter. Both my Pakistan appear to be toast. My Black Beauty Nigra took more damage that I initially thought, but does scratch green low on the base.  I.E. handled winter no issues. Thats all I had in ground for this winter but have about 5-6 other cultivars in ground already this spring.

Subject: OT: that time of the week again. name your beer. Replies: 77
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,986
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichinNJ
Ok then. Let's move on. :) Bird Dog Blackberry Brandy to start and Filon ( a Spanish Garnacha)
  Thanks the Brandy sounds good

Subject: OT: that time of the week again. name your beer. Replies: 77
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,986
 

Rich,

I don’t think anyone minds if you post what you are drinking, regardless if milk or whatever.  I do believe folks are tiring of your smart ass comments just like this one with no other reason that to get under someone’s skin.  I don’t think your making many allies with this. I really don’t know you,  or had any communications positive or negative with you but it seems like recent you have a fig up your ass and acting like a child not getting the attention he wants. I sure hope you are feeling better soon. I don’t  really think I’m that sensitive, but your little jabs even if not directed at me are annoying.  If  you don’t want Drama don’t play it up.

Have a Good Day.


Subject: OT: that time of the week again. name your beer. Replies: 77
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,986
 
Is there such thing as a bad beer?  They all have their place in my heart. From The lawnmower beers as in the light American Lagers to the best microbrews. Well I guess there is PBR, I would nominate as bad, based on personal history a long time ago.

Subject: OT - More PM space now! Replies: 17
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 480
 
Yes Thank you jon

Subject: Received USDA shipment today Replies: 37
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,236
 
If you order material other than Ficus I think that sometimes delays the order, maybe everything is not ready at the same time. I know every year I have ordered and this is like year 4? for me. It seems like I am in that last round shipped. I normally have a couple Persimmon, Pomegranate, Mulberry in my order. This might not be fact. but it's how I rationalize to myself always being last.

Subject: OT: $3000 Problem Replies: 15
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I have around 200 Japanese Maples of around 60-70 cultivars. Most I had in pot culture for many years and have been slowly finding earth homes over the past year now that I have moved. I do work with some for a trained look, but I agree a bad pruning job will take many years to recover from. In fact  I am rehabilitating a tree presently. I saw a formerly beautiful Aka_Shigitatsu Sawa that had been butchered. It bothered me so much I talked to the nursery folks about proper pruning techniques. I was trying to be polite, but think he took offense.  He got smart and stated as he had destroyed the structure that if I could load the tree by myself (had to be at least a 45 Gal.) I could have it for I think was $60. The price on the tree was over $1000.  Well that Fool and his tree were soon parted. He under-estimated what a mad plant loving country boy could do. While he stood by his Bobcat with loader forks I backed my truck up to one of his mulch piles pulled the beast up and over into my truck.
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Subject: My New Fig Shuffle Assistants Replies: 29
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I have this guy.  http://www.harborfreight.com/extra-wide-hand-truck-66171.html

I wanted this Gal.  http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200381545_200381545

Subject: souther brown turkey Replies: 59
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Nice video Enjoyed Thanks for posting

Subject: What Time Is It ? Replies: 25
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I thought about it Mike then saw Wed-Thurs and decided not yet. Want to limit the shuffles and at least 10 day forecast of above freezing. Lugging the citrus etc... just about killing me as it is.

Subject: What if they all lived?? Replies: 26
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,019
 
Rich,

Thanks for showing everyone what I great deal I am offering them. I am fractions of your fees. I offer adoptions as well, very reasonable priced, but only to carefully screened good homes , and if your Fig finds a new family you will receive a happy photo of your fig with his new stewards and a card at Christmas.

Subject: OT: martin, how's your Noire de Spain mulberry doing? Replies: 16
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,057
 
Not Martin but,

I have a Morus Nigra “Black Beauty” cultivar. Planted in ground spring 2013.  I checked it a few days ago seems to have handled 1F this winter without dieback, but will know in a month or so. It did not seem bothered by my southeast heat and humidity last summer which surprised me.  I have several other cultivars, but only the one Nigra I believe. Illinois Everbearing, Pakistan and (Geraldi/Gerardi/Girardi  dwarf. I have seen it spelled as 3 ways) in ground as well. I think the Pakistan has taken some freeze damage.  Going into ground this spring will be Shangri La, Middleton, Kokuso No. 20, and Wassica and 4  I picked up at Just Fruits and Exotics as lost Label mystery trees, so I at least knowing what cultivars they stock I might ID at some time.  Expecting some additional cultivar from USDA Davis.  If anyone wants to trade some cutting of 'Kaester', 'Noir of Spain', or 'King James'  I would be interested, probably have all I listed above at least for a few cuttings, , if they have not broken dormancy in my garage. I did notice some were swelling bud. Some were just cuttings this time last year. Not 100% on Black Beauty as It is small and already promised the cuttings I took there.   I know I have Illinois Everbearing, Pakistan cuttings in the fridge.


Subject: What if they all lived?? Replies: 26
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,019
 

Can only assume most find homes with Friends, Family, Neighbors.  One member that was going cuttings crazy a couple years ago listed a lot on ebay within the last couple months I am sure many of us were bidding on them.

Fortunately  I have acres  too plant on so I have not had to euthanize  any figs intentionally.   I am establishing a “NO KILL” fig sanctuary, modeled after a “NO Kill” Pet shelter. For the small initial fee of $50 and a continuing annual fee of $10 I will assure that your fig babies  will live out their figgin days. Space is limited so reserve a place for your loved one now.

Disclaimer:  Not responsible for acts of God or nature that may result in loss of life or LIMB.


Subject: Does your Spouse think you are crazy? Replies: 70
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I'm going to miss her.

Subject: I’m all in Replies: 10
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 837
 
Rafed,

Thanks  you are right We all know there are many successful manners to root if we follow the details. Sometimes we don't even know we are doing something right until we do it wrong and see the changed result, or don't identify correct issue on our failures. I have my mister holstered and my bin cracked.

Subject: UC Davis cuttings Replies: 31
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Thats how I noted payment. Their process seems to lack a formality in this area as at least for U.C. Davis, I have not ordered from Geneva or Corvallis.  They don't seem to have a payment field noted.

Subject: UC Davis cuttings Replies: 31
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,177
 
I have always had to pay.  I would suggest everyone pay if we want this program to continue. I know when my shipping account went inactive due to non-use as this is about all I use it for my order was not shipped. If you appreciate this program you should pay the shipping, because with the great increase in orders, very much resulted from this forum, I would think they might be accessing the cost to provide this service.

Subject: I’m all in Replies: 10
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 837
 
Yes these are Q plugs , the 40-80 size. I would expect them to likely have any issue that Root Riot has on up-potting as they are  very similar. The only I issue recall reading on potting up plugs is the plug tends to retain moisture more than most potting mix are there other issues? If so I would like to hear to try and avoid. I am hoping to let the roots develop more in the larger plugs so hopefully avoid some issues, but the larger plug might be more of a moisture issue, so I will have to play it as it goes.

Subject: I’m all in Replies: 10
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 837
 

Rafed,

Yes I plan to try some of these plugs on  small diameter airlayers, They show using this plug for airlayering but on a fairly thin stem.

Pino,

Thanks.  I am hoping my results will be interesting, not disappointing, lot of folks using the smaller plugs with good results. I find new ways to kill cuttings. I don't have any water under the tray, the humdity is busting 90% as it is. I can take the tray out and sit in a mixing tub to bottom water if I want with the open bottoms I will not need to submerse.  These EPS Styro trays are used in hydroponics just floating on water. I don't beleive the figs would care for that. but I have a smaller version of this with smaller plugs I that fits in a standard flat it might try if I have some prungings that I was tossing from someday just to prove that was to much moisture

Subject: I’m all in Replies: 10
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 837
 

Thanks Rafed,

I had the plugs first then ending up talking with one of the guys at IHORT as I could not find the tray they show anywhere. He sent me the tray, but I have not been able to get further reply from them as they just deal wholesale. I did find a regular plastic plug tray that will fit and holds 32? of these but have not found them except in case of 100 trays. See what you started with the Root Riot post

Subject: I’m all in Replies: 10
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 837
 

I decided to give rooting plugs a try this year. I have been pretty happy with Sphagnum Moss, many seem to like the ease of plugs.   I had picked up a couple Root Riot trays, but I decided to give some larger plugs a try.  I hope to be able to leave in these plugs longer and go straight into 1 gal. The design of these EPS Styrofoam trays are to have elevated with the open bottom and the roots will be air-pruned as they extend out.  The guy I spoke with at IHort who put these out seemed very knowledgeable and makes them sound real good, but that’s his job right.  I imagine I will have to watch moisture even more when potting up with these larger plugs. They are not quite as dense more/larger air pockets that RR it seems, but I know folks using plugs have stated you really have to watch the spongy plug getting wetter than the potting media surrounding.  I plan to leave them until almost root bound in the tray unless the close proximity of the top growth in the tray gives me too much issue.

Larger than standard tray and the plug volume is much larger see compared to RR. It’s hard to find storage bins with clear tops. These are the largest I could find.  106 QT this tray did not have much room to spare. I am thinking of inverting them and setting the tray on the lid and the bin as the dome as it might make tending the cuttings easier always awkward reaching in a bin as I am clumsy and young growth breaks easy.  I have a heat mat with Styrofoam under it and the bin sitting direct on the heat mat,  I had the tray elevated only 1 inch above bin bottom but my temp probe was signaling to high so I elevated to about 3 inches I will need that headroom at some time, but after I remove the heat mat. Right now my temp probe inserted into one of the open holes through and hanging right at base of tray is at 82 F the temp above the tray in bin registers about 73 F.  I am watching the temp closely but the plugs themselves are not as warm as the air below. The insulating foam tray seems to moderate it. I am working keeping the humidity a little lower than the present 90%

Suggestions solicited and appreciated

Best figs to all

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Plug compared to a Root Riot
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Bottom of tray
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Subject: need cuttings? Replies: 36
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Thanks Bill,

Arrived in fine shape

Subject: Encanto Farms Fig Cuttings 2014 Replies: 577
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 30,957
 
Ed,

I am not sure you were singled out at all. I followed the directions as per Jon's instruction. In fact copied his example and substituted my own info and  they were listed in the correct numerical order with no alternate list. My order was submitted within probably 30 minutes after the list was posted. I received my confirmation the next morning, but heard nothing further until late last evening after you had posted receiving your invoice.  The only other note I made was that my F4F foundation contribution info was in  my wife's name (she writes the checks) and that my address had changed.

Subject: Long inter-node cuttings Replies: 22
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,247
 
Thanks All,

I am just putting in the spaghnum moss as is with hormone. and will access as the roots develop to shorten or not.

Pete, that pretty impressive. Those shorties don't run out of energy for you and fade?  2 years ago when I had horizontal in the spaghnum moss and roots  all along the cutting I tried some shorts by dividing the cutting, but not quite that short. I put some in horizontal  just barely under potting mix but think think I lost every shorty. It seemed they ran low on fuel but might have been other factors. I seem quite adapt and finding new ways to lose cuttings.

Subject: need cuttings? Replies: 36
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Subject: I'm out of room Replies: 18
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 785
 
Rich,

I like all figs as well. There is likely something wrong with all of us:}

Subject: I'm out of room Replies: 18
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Stay Figgy my Friends


Subject: AAAAhhhhhhh.......bad News Replies: 47
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I agree about contacting them Per Costco's website on the 6 by 8 that looks to be yours
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Subject: INCREASE YIELDS 100%/DECREASE INTERNODAL SPACING & VEG TIMES Replies: 14
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It works great I invented the stuff.  It also cures poison ivy instantly . For a limited time I am giving F4F members a 20% discount.

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