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Subject: Encanto Farms Fig Cuttings 2014 Replies: 577
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I believe/hope  that Jon is still working on orders .  I can’t imagine the work involved . Just sending out 2 or 3 of the same cultivars to maybe dozen people taxed me.  A mix of 600+ to potentially 1000s of people I am sure in the 100s is insane work.

I received my confirmation the morning after list was posted, but nothng further as yet.. I think I had F4F foundation priority. At least I have the Tax document they sent out in January stating my contribution.  At least I am setting better that last year when I never received confirmation unless it ended up in my spam and I missed. I never followed up last year just kept waiting until the point I assumed little I wanted would be left .


Subject: Long inter-node cuttings Replies: 22
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Thanks guys,

It's not how I would normally make a cutting. I pretty much cut them as Harvey noted, so I was scratching my head on it.  I am appreciative for receiving it and wanted to give it the best chance. It's encouraging to hear other successful with similar cuttings. I guess I had always tried to have at least one node below soil line and at least one above. I have not started it yet, so I believe I will put in Sphagnum intact and score with hormone  and evaluate after hopefully the roots start developing.

Subject: Long inter-node cuttings Replies: 22
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How do you folks handle cuttings with greater distance between nodes. The specific cutting I am asking about is 8 inches with 1 node. That one bud is located at 5 inches from the bottom 3 inches above. I really don't want to have the one node below soil line and thinking I will shorten to maybe 2 inches below and maybe the 2 inches above with the node just above soil line. I am wondering if the energy reserves in leaving the cutting full 8 inches is worth it, but I feel i need to remove some of that 5 inches below the node. I actually don't know I have ever tried a cutting without 1 node below soil. 

Subject: Encanto Farms Fig Cuttings 2014 Replies: 577
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I don't believe all the emails have been sent yet. I did receive  the confirmation of the order when the list became available, But I have not received any email stating what I will receive, and I have been checking my spam folder.

Subject: OT: Looking for Apple Scion Replies: 24
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Which Rootstock is a hard question. There is lots of info if you google "apple rootstock" here are a couple below. I actually like my trees on m111/emla111 which isn't very dwarfing. When I read the lists all seem to have benefit's I would just keep in mind some  dwarfing require staking or support of some manner. It don't know these links are any better than others. You can even get into Interstems  which try to impart stronger rooting that are well anchored then another short section grafted for dwarfing and then your desired cultivar grafted to that. It might be determined what you can find available.

http://www.thenewfruitgrower.com/new_page_1.htm
http://www.acnursery.com/rootstock.php

Subject: OT: Looking for Apple Scion Replies: 24
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I was half-kidding about the apples I am no apple expert. Those are all okay I guess. Honeycrisp is a good apple, but I think is over-rated, I have shyed away from it as I hear it doesn't develop the taste in the south that it does up around Minnesota where it was developed. Anna is a real low chill apple is the main thing it has going for it as folks that can't grow many apples can grow Anna, but if your family likes it that's most important.
 
Not to say they are any better than the ones you listed as most of mine had disease resistance as a heavy selection criteria. but would likely be able to send Goldrush, Williams Pride, Pristine, Liberty, Arkansas Black maybe stick of Ashmead's Kernel  and couple others.

Subject: OT: Looking for Apple Scion Replies: 24
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I don't remember If I sent apples.  I sent pears both Asian and Euro couple years ago, Last year Pluots, I think a couple peach and several Persimmon. That Tamopan may be from me.

Subject: OT: Looking for Apple Scion Replies: 24
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Bill,

I should have Anna, and Gala for you. Neither has fruited for me yet, so I can only hope they were sold as true. But you are asking for the wrong apples there are better ones. :)

Subject: Instead of a SIP? Replies: 17
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Just wanted to state I don't leave any pots in the tubs with water for an extended period.  I keep my one gals in the 6 pack trays that I get discarded from Big box nursery stores which keep them upright and ease handling and just dunk the whole tray. If I do leave in tub I just add minimal water that gets taken up and pour off the excess.

I have toyed with the idea of a communal SIP by having a stiff wire grid supported by brick/wood block sitting in the tub with the pots on the grid each with a wick into the water.  If I did I would drill wholes in the sides at a level  to keep rain water from flooding the pots   I find these tubs very useful for a variety of uses. Right now they are pot saucers for my citrus wintering in sun porch. The Citrus are in larger pots you normally can’t find saucers that fit.  Here are some further comments  http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/my-most-useful-item-for-growing-figs-6532410


Subject: Instead of a SIP? Replies: 17
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The mortor mixing trays you find by the concrete supplies work well for bottom watering very tough and size is manageable. I can put (9) 1 gal pots in the smaller size and they work good to tote them in/out during the spring temperature shuffles. They are only about $5.50 for the size I use.

Subject: My Figs after Mt. Kelud Erupted Replies: 15
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How far away are you from Mt. Kelud? I read about that earlier today. Good to hear you okay, sounds lika a few were not.  Not in the same league, but how many of you in the Southeast U.S. felt the 4.1 earthquake centered in South Carolina last night. I did in NW GA.

Subject: 24 OZ Plastic Clear Cups Replies: 17
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Hum,

I always just breathed the fumes.  Maybe that explains some things.

Subject: OT: blueberries Replies: 83
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I have about 20 cultivars blueberry, but not a lot of any cultivar to fully judge, and probably only around 60 plants total. I have not went into the degree of care that WillsC and Blueboy have. Some have been Plant/mulch then on their own. At l least for my climate and soil (Zone 7 North GA Mountains) and minimal care program Rabbiteyes are much more successful than either standard HighBush or Southern HighBush. HighBush are more demanding in their PH requirements. My SweetCrisp and Emerald are still containerized and okay, but of the other SHB I put into ground only Sharpblue has kept reasonably healthy under a very low care program. Southmoon, Misty, Jubilee basically died a slow death. O'Neal did ok, thinking that is SHB, but I have seen it categorized different if I recall.  Planted right beside them most all the Rabbiteye have done reasonably well. I did not reside with most these plantings, and hope to be able to do a little better with SHB at my new location, but if you are in similar soil/climate to me and don't want the higher input Rabbiteye would be my choice. Those remote plantings are at my cabin, and I still get to eat blueberries with basically no care off my Rabbiteye. At least until the SWD (Spotted Wing Drosophila) find them if they have not already.

WillsC, Is that order for Raven you have the one you were doing on GW? I signed up for a couple, but thought that fell through for some reason.

Subject: Intentional sucker Replies: 7
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Scott,

Great to see, sounds like you have them off to a great start.

Subject: Intentional sucker Replies: 7
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Scott,

Like Pete I am sure  that is another bud from the cutting.  I like multi-trunked trees so I leave them, but watch careful for mold on that young foliage in constant contact with the growing media.

Subject: felco f2 or f11? Replies: 18
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Mike,

I never liked the rotating handle on my #7. My #2 just felt better.

Subject: OT: another round of "snow" in Nc Replies: 57
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Thanks Zach,

JDSFrance,

There is really no "allow" involved here. That tree was probably large before I was born. It comes with living in the woods. They are either cleared out when building or leave them as they stand. none that size are within reach of my house. My last house  had trees surrounding it, never relaxed with winds or ice. Restless nights

Subject: OT: another round of "snow" in Nc Replies: 57
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Thanks Mike, George, Pete,

Yes they are just trees.If someone had got hurt I would not even be thinking about them. Funny how a issue can become small when real tragedy strikes. I measured that tree a much easier task now that it is horizontal.  36 paces and my step is a good 3 feet so well over 100 foot Oak tree.  If that had hit my house it could have sliced it in 2.  I have 3 trees that will not be worth salvaging. A  Tamukeyama, Skeeter's Broom, and a Shishigashira. The Shishigashira was one of my most prized. It’s not that rare but a work of art I have had  since the mid-90s. My Japanese Maple collection as well as fruit growing was a major reason for my move.  I had run out of in ground planting space for maples years ago, and had well over 100 potted JMs that needed a home in the ground.  Unfortunately this was a focal point along my driveway where I have placed some of my most prized specimens.     


Subject: how often can you order from USDA/UCD? Replies: 35
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I just make notes on my order throughout the year and then normally place it around October. I would think it annoy  them having several orders from the same individual to try and link together if it can be avoided. It is a lot of work for them regardless. Right now if you order you will not receive until around March 2015 anyway. Why not spend the time between now and the Nov? Order deadline to research the Pomegranates and other things you want. I can provide you some info on the different Pomegranates if you want. I might even have a established young plant of cuttings from the last year or 2 to trade of a few cultivar.

Subject: how often can you order from USDA/UCD? Replies: 35
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The Pomegranate, Mulberry, Persimmon at least are shipped out at the same time as figs, and have the same submital deadline . I have ordered all from them on the same request. The Pomegranate selection is excellent including many from Dr. Levin's defunct Soviet program. 

Subject: OT: another round of "snow" in Nc Replies: 57
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Thanks Mike,

Some that just got brushed might be salvaged, but with several after training some of these for as many as 15+ years it hurts. The structure of the tree is gone. You don't just prune Japanese maples you train them more like Bonsai.  The one just to the right of the the trunk that got missed. a Aka shigitatsu sawa  that was in a 45 Gal. pot prior to my moving last year. There are about 3 real nice trees that took direct hits. Couple other I will have to assess.  If that tree were a few feet taller  my wife's van would have got hit. It's worth less than the maples and covered with insurance. I doubt anyone here is wondering why both Vehicles setting out. That detached garage is full of plants mostly figs.

Subject: OT: another round of "snow" in Nc Replies: 57
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Well I am not sure the actual inches But I took a major hit Right in my Japanese Maple garden The base of that tree is 2.5-3 foot diameter and very tall just  took out several expensive trees. down-tree.jpg 

Subject: Encanto Farms Fig Cuttings 2014 Replies: 577
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Quote:
Originally Posted by greenfig
  by nm15.bullet08.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2014 09:08:41 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.248] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com "


It's Pete's fault. Blame everything on Pete

Subject: For my northern friends...and an update of sorts. Replies: 37
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I got one Blood orange  from my Moro this year. It tasted more like a grapefruit to me then the reported Berry taste.

Subject: Encanto Farms Fig Cuttings 2014 Replies: 577
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Gina,

Sorry James post was the intructions Hopefully below is a PDF of the List

 
Attached Files
pdf F4F_AVAILABLE_CUTTINGS_2014-1.pdf (94.35 KB, 85 views)


Subject: Encanto Farms Fig Cuttings 2014 Replies: 577
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Gina,

James post 234 on page 5 has it as a PDF that you can view in Adobe, which you probably have but is free it you don't. If you can't open the PDF let me know I could put it in a text doc for you.

Subject: OT Rooting Pomegranate Cuttings Replies: 14
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I did the vertical, but last year I did my figs vertical as well. I use Gal baggies with the moss and top of bag open in a storage Bin, and keep everything vertical, different cultivars by bag. open the bin with bags already open easy to let fresh air in. I got less rooting along the whole fig cutting than when I had horizontal.  I have only done Pomegaranate vertical.

Subject: OT Rooting Pomegranate Cuttings Replies: 14
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I have yes I scored them and used dip-n-growand into the moss. They callused up, and some started roots but I lost several at cup stage. The later batch I let callus up in the moss then stuck direct in 1 gals and I lost less. many folks have rooted them straight into pot with no prep and good results. I am holding off and doing mine closer to warm weather.

Subject: OT A Mulberry Surprise. Must See! Replies: 20
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Ed,

They can fruit on both new and old growth, but I believe mostly on new growth.

Subject: OT A Mulberry Surprise. Must See! Replies: 20
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Remove the fruit/blooms for sure Mullberries often bloom on cuttings I hope they take for you. Some cultivars root easy some are very hard, and decline even if the develop roots. I have not had good luck rooting Pakistan. Don't count  those chickens yet.

Subject: The Fruit Hunters Replies: 11
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Yes good stuff link for the other version on youtube for folks without netflix the  2 versions are different enough both worth watching
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-fruit-hunters-documentary-6707894

Subject: Gnats and fingernail poilsh Replies: 9
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I will do my nails if it keeps the gnats away.   Cheap Pink looks good on me.

Subject: --- Really cheap plant tags Replies: 37
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Thanks I ordered some, I will not be using these as permanent labels, but for less than $2 shipped for 200 why not?  I use the mini-blind alot and the paint markers do last longer than sharpie. For permanent labeling the metal impresso style tags are worth it, but I will use these when grafting be it on an existing tree or a rootstock, until the graft takes it has not earned  permanent.  I might use them when sending cuttings or such, but for a buck it worth me not having to snip punch and thread a tag from a mini-blind. That is until my GREEN minded daughter lectures me on leaving the Planet in a respectable shape to her, and she is right so maybe I will have to hide these.

Subject: Rooting Plugs for trade Replies: 2
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Bump

Subject: what makes the difference? Replies: 16
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I would look for a different cultivar, if only 2 miles away it produces inferior figs over a period of years unless it seemed the tree was not getting adequate light or some other obvious influence for inferior fruit.  If this year was the 1st you tried the fruit maybe just the temperatures  and rain.

Subject: I saw this on ebay and I just had to ask..... Replies: 19
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Uninformed Buyers will bid on anything.  Many of those are misrepresented. A seed created by sexual reproduction should not carry the cultivar name of the parent plant on many type plants as it is a unique plant. I do understand lots of vegetables, grains, etc… do carry the variety name, but I wonder how much drift in genetics there is whenever you have 2 pollen parents and even with self-pollination. I always get a little annoyed when I see figs, pomegranate, apple, etc…. seeds listed as a cultivar. They should be listed seeds from cultivarx which may vary from the parent in my opinion, but I guess I am a hard head.  Someone asked me about bidding on some Wonderful Pomegranate seeds. I told them go buy the fruit from the market and just plant a few, but if you want that plant go buy a vegetatively propagated plant. I started some Golden Kiwi (Chinensis) from fruit I bought at the market a few years back, as the plants of Chinensis are not readily available. The grower doesn’t make Hort16 the cultivar available, and I would not label it as such, but hopefully if I can manage the plants to fruiting as the are not hardy at all maybe will be nice. But I have almost given up protecting them


Subject: How many varieties did you think you'd want when you first found F4F? And now? Replies: 33
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Dennis,

When you stated "simple fall pump" is that the same as a water RAM?  My son built one for his senior high school project. They are cool. If you have a drop in water level you can use to pump water up a considerable height with no source of power except the water itself. We built it for around $100 out of things found in the hardware plumbing department. I was surprised at what it could do.

Subject: New Kansas City Area Source of Organic Turkish Dried Smyrna Figs Replies: 1
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Looks like they recently decided Atlanta was a choice market.  5 stores coming to GA soon 0 open presently

Subject: "each man under his own vine and fig tree" Replies: 36
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Pete,

I must have not had coffee prior. In your area if you can handle seeds Muscadine is the way to go. They do have tough skins and seeds. I eat skin seeds and all most folks don't. But If you want some complex explosive flavors on a low care plant Muscadine should be considered. Muscadine is a type of grape not the cultivar, but I can list some if you have interest. In NC you probably have them growing in your local woods.

Subject: "each man under his own vine and fig tree" Replies: 36
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If I was planting another Grape I would likely try one of the new Univ. Arkansas  releases Hope, Gratitude, Joy, and Faith. As new they don't have the track record of some, but for the Southeast grower they have a pretty good program for disease resistance. Mars is seedless and from that program a good proven choice. Jupiter is an interesting grape  from the same program. The new releases depart from the celestial naming of their prior grapes and Stark Bros has starting carrying them as one source. I have heard good things about the aforementioned DoubleA vineyards as well.

My Hardy Kiwi are very slow. They as well take up a lot of space. A couple of my females have bloomed the last 2 years but my male has not, so maybe this year.  Issai does not reliably set fruit without pollination. It is a smaller vine and mine would set fruit and drop 99.9%, and many other folks report the same issue.

Subject: scale attack. Replies: 29
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Your a cold one Pete. What cultivar was it "Old Yeller"?

Subject: scale attack. Replies: 29
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Where is love and compassion Pete. Would you shoot the dog if it got fleas? :)

Subject: How many varieties did you think you'd want when you first found F4F? And now? Replies: 33
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I used to think I did not like figs, but I just had not tasted fresh ones that had ripened properly or processed into a cookie. I had already been into fruits and nuts for some time, so it was inevitable that I would get hooked. I was first on the forums trying to identify some local heirlooms trees and the first off the tree figs I had eaten, and to be honest thought you all were like crazy crack addicts or some sort of cult.  I thought I grow too many different things to specialize, but after a year or so of visiting the forum on an increasing frequency or so I finally registered.   Still thinking I just wanted to expand my season mostly, but I guess continued sipping of the Kool-Aid altered my judgment. I have actually moved to be able to expand my capacity to grow my own fruits. Figs are not alone to blame, as when I started I was probably on general fruit forms 90% now I am on here much more than the general fruit forums, partially because it probably is 10 times more active than any other I visit. At this point I would probably give any and all cultivar a chance to prove itself.


Subject: My Pastilere Replies: 15
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Bad Frank

But if you do share cuttings...   Bad idea forget that :)

Subject: Grafting Replies: 12
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That's a patch bud, been around a long time. I used to try that on pecans, nuts are hard to graft generally.  On most species needs to be done when the bark slips. If the bark does not slip easily, this indicates that the stock is not in active growth

Subject: --- are you maxed out? Replies: 36
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Congratulations Dennis,
I am sure you are excited, 30 acres should keep you busy.

Pete,
You are going to have folks going through your Garbage.
 

Subject: --- are you maxed out? Replies: 36
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Understand Greenfig,

But I did move primarily for more space to grow things, and agree that is not a practical answer for most. Besides a few privledged  potted plants, much of my selection process will be made by Mother Nature as they are planted out in ground. I want a full season of productive tasty plants, so I envision those trees that don't exceed will be replaced with proven performers for me or what others are raving about here.

Subject: --- are you maxed out? Replies: 36
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My approach was buy more land.

Subject: The Fruit Hunters Documentary Replies: 13
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As Harvey indicated There are 2 versions, I guess I missed the post on it prior. The version on Youtube posted above is the Canadian series version, so some of the comments I made are irrelevant to that version. The Theater version is on Netflicks now if you want to watch that version. Glad some found it inspiring as did I. Would love see a extended series of this type there could be a whole season on figs alone, but probably not broad enough appeal to see that happen. Unfortunately most would rather watch another singing competition or staged reality  garbage.

Subject: The Fruit Hunters Documentary Replies: 13
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I had been wanting to watch the documentary film “The Fruit Hunters” about exotic fruit, and the folks whose passion it is since it was released a couple years ago. There is a segment on figs, but it covers a lot of different areas, mostly on tropical fruits, but then I guess there are a lot more undiscovered potential then the temperate areas of the globe. I was a little disappointed that the film focused so much on actor Bill Pullman, and now I am going to have to read the book, which I understand did not. I have nothing against Pullman, just seems there could have more interesting topics to cover in this area, and left me wanting. I did enjoy it and think many of you would as well. Ken Love who some of you may have had communications with is profiled.  It just was released on Netflix, so you can find it there. I am sure it’s probably been on cable channels already, but sense I seem to get many more projects done when I deprive myself of cable/satellite and I have a long list of projects my family will have to suffer.

I am not sure if this is the full program or the same content completely, but it appears to be out on youtube in 2 parts. not your typical youtube however it is a long watch

Part 1


Part 2

 

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