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Subject: My trees in Vermont Replies: 12
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,080
 
Thanks Kerry.  I knew you were connected with the Mother, so I got it almost right...

I'll let you know when I'm crossing the line into New Hampshire.  I'd like to see what you have growing.  I'm almost done, for this year, with work on my house.  I'm re-siding it and I try to do one side each year.  I pinched a nerve in my back last week and I've been laid up since, so I now have some time to get caught up on this forum.  I'll be fishing in Montauk in October, and November with my son, and I hope to make it to New Hampshire for trout in September.  That all depends on whether I finish my house work.  I hope things are going well for you and your wife.  Look forward to seeing you again.

Rob, definitely give Atreano a try, I think you'll like them.


Subject: My trees in Vermont Replies: 12
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,080
 
I'm taking the questions to me from the "cuttings wish list" thread and moving them into a new thread here.

Alan, thanks for the advice on picking varieties for New England weather.  One of my goals is to grow a few varieties and pick out the ones that grow well in my conditions: grown in pots, surviving the dormant period indoors, fast growing, quick ripening, and other traits yet undetermined.

I purchased some of my trees from Kerry Sullivan in New Hampshire, known here as "drivewayfarmer".  Kerry is a very well experienced gardener and gardening magazine editor, and I used his knowledge and experience in choosing those varieties that will succeed in this climate.  Kerry visited me last summer and brought me some wonderful plants.

Rob0520, The best variety, so far for me, is Atreano.  I purchased two plants last year from Kerry, and this year they are doing very well.  Each plant has numerous figs and growth is excellent in pots.  The fruit is large and it looks like they'll ripen soon, certainly before frost in September.

I also have fruit on Marseilles VS blk that I got from Kerry.  Those figs formed a little later than the Atreano, and the trees aren't as vigorous, but I think they are a good choice for the northeast.  I think the fruit will ripen before frost.  I will know more about M VS after one more growing season.

Next in line would be Sal's #1, then blk Triana from Joe Morley, and then Paradiso, also from Morley.  I have two Violette de Bordeaux that I bought from Edible Landscape, and they are growing well with some fruit, but too young to know how well they will turn out here.

I have a web site that I keep my records on and you're welcome to visit and keep tabs on the progress for my trees.  The link is in my signature below.

Good luck to everyone, and I have a bountiful crop.



Subject: 6 Cuttings On Wish List Replies: 176
Posted By: udaman Views: 17,501
 
Alan,

I live near Bennington, the southern tip of Vermont.  My son lives in Burlington, and I've promised him some cuttings.

All ten of my trees were overwintered last year in my cold cellar.  I brought them into the cellar in October, after they went dormant, and put them in the coolest part of the cellar.  It stays between 35-40 deg F all winter.  I brought them out in early April, gave them a good drink of water, and they had leaf buds in a week.

I haven't had any problems so far, except that the cuttings I made last summer didn't survive the winter.  I think the root system was not large enough to carry them through dormancy.

I have, Atreano, Sal's #1, Marseilles VS black, Triana, blk Paridiso, Violette de Bordeaux and Brown Turkey.


Subject: 6 Cuttings On Wish List Replies: 176
Posted By: udaman Views: 17,501
 
Oh, I should have remembered that.  I'm sure I can find something else to wish for.  Thanks Alan.


Subject: 6 Cuttings On Wish List Replies: 176
Posted By: udaman Views: 17,501
 
I hope to have cuttings of Sal's #1 and Marseilles VS black and Atreano ready for next year.

Here's my wish list:

Early Violet
Black Ischia
Kalamata
Black Maderia
Ronde De Bordeaux
Calimyrna

I will try getting cuttings from UC Davis of these varieties.  Good luck everyone.


Subject: Marseilles black vs,Breba! Replies: 30
Posted By: udaman Views: 3,745
 
Thanks Will.  I keep my trees in my cold cellar once they go dormant in October.  That cellar stays between 35-40 deg F.  One day I'll try planting in ground as an experiment.

Subject: Marseilles black vs,Breba! Replies: 30
Posted By: udaman Views: 3,745
 
Will,

Is your Marseilles VS in ground or in a pot?  How cold would you say it got at your location last winter?

I have two M VS that I bought last year, in pots.  I live in Vermont, and I'm not willing to plant them in ground here.  Although if I get enough plants started from cuttings, I may try one or two in ground with protection. 

They're nice plants, and one of them has a few figs this year.  Both are showing some new green growth, and I may take some cuttings in fall.  No breba fruit this year.  The only breba I had was on a VdB.


Subject: Roots & Stuff Replies: 20
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,221
 
Hi everyone, haven't posted since last fall.  I hope you all had a good winter.

I received my UC Davis order yesterday, and I've put the cuttings in the fridge in the original zip loc bag.  This will be my first try at rooting winter cuttings, and I'm hoping all goes well.  There's still two feet of snow on the ground so I'm not in a big hurry to do anything.

I've only ordered cuttings of five varieties, and so I only have twelve scions to root.  I only got one cutting of the one I most wanted, Violette de Bordeau, so I'll have to be extra careful with that one.

Any tips on how to get started and keep them safe is greatly appreciated.  It's nice to be back and looking forward to spring.



Subject: Frost advisory tonight Replies: 4
Posted By: udaman Views: 851
 
Good for u, C.J.  It's 33*F here, and I'm hoping it didn't get any lower overnight.  I put the cover on my tunnel and sealed it up well.  I don't  see any frost on the grass, or windows, so maybe we're OK.  I'll uncover the tunnel later this morning.

Subject: Frost advisory tonight Replies: 4
Posted By: udaman Views: 851
 
The first frost advisory of the season tonight into Tuesday morning.  I'll have the mini tunnel in action with pails of warm water to keep trees from chilling.  I still have fruit that  hasn't ripened, so I hope to extend the season long enough to ripen some figs.

Thanks everyone for all your great advice.


Subject: started the orchard what do yall think Replies: 14
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,002
 
Nice job, and best wishes.  Be sure to keep us updated, I'd love to see your progress.  Post pics of the hoop house, and when you do the drip line, I'll ask for details. 

Subject: Paradiso or Genova fig Replies: 7
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,668
 
My Paradiso has had four figs on it since I got it from Joe in July.  I've noticed they have started to swell a little last week, but no color yet.  I hope to be able to taste them later this month.

The tree has put on a little growth at the very top last month, but I hope it really takes off next year.


Subject: fig tasting in fig heaven in Beirut part 1 Replies: 4
Posted By: udaman Views: 900
 
Enjoy your trip Michal, and thanks for posting the pics.  I like your web site, too.

Subject: Winter storage issues Replies: 18
Posted By: udaman Views: 954
 
Thanks Ottawan, that's exactly what I needed to know.  I have plenty of temporary storage in my tractor shed until the temps reach a cold 20F.  It'll be November, near Thanksgiving, for the temps to get that low.  Then I'll move them into the cellar.

I remember my grandfather and my dad wrapping the trees with tar paper and topping with a metal pail, in Brooklyn NY, but that was zone 6 or warmer.  Once or twice a tree died back to ground level, but always grew back from the roots. 


Subject: Winter storage issues Replies: 18
Posted By: udaman Views: 954
 
I'll be storing my trees in a cold cellar, too.  Temps run between 32*F and 45*F.  But my question is when do you bring your trees into storage?  Here, leaves on maples and ash, etc., fall from mid September and are all off by late October.  The temps at that time will drop down below freezing at night, but will get into the mid 50s F in the day.  Can I wait until just before daytime temps are below freezing and then store my trees in the cellar?

Subject: Extending the growing season Replies: 32
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,947
 
I've made a little progress on my fig tunnel.  It took about 30 minutes to construct.  I taped the plastic sheet to the 1 1/2" PVC pipe at the bottom of the hoops, and rolled it up and unrolled it on top of the hoops to drape over them. I can break this down in about 5 minutes, and I probably will do so soon.  The air temp outside the tunnel is 70*F, and it's 80*F inside, on a cloudy day too.

The ends are not finished yet, but I'll get them ready before the weather gets cold.

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Subject: this years sals gene cutting Replies: 7
Posted By: udaman Views: 838
 
I wish you and Christopher the very best.  It's nice that you both can enjoy a hobby together.  He'll probably outshine you with his fig-ability.

Be sure to pass along any tidbits you might learn at the seminar.  I could use some advice on winterizing, as this will be my first figwinter.


Subject: Boric acid for ants Replies: 17
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,180
 
My wife buys boraxo powder in the supermarket and mixes it with sugar and a little water to make a thick paste.  She fills soda bottle caps or yogurt cup tops with it and leaves them around where the ants are.  They eat it and die.  It's not poisonous to cats or dogs, or humans for that matter.

Edit:  She just told me it is poisonous to animals too, so forget what I said above.  Sorry for the confusion.

Subject: Air Layering Marathon - pictures Replies: 26
Posted By: udaman Views: 4,066
 
Thanks James.  That helps a lot.

Subject: Air Layering Marathon - pictures Replies: 26
Posted By: udaman Views: 4,066
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by james


If you plan the layer to be removed when the parent tree goes dormant, you can get away with fewer roots.  Pot up the layer and place the container in an area where it will stay warm so that roots can continue to grow while the top is dormant.  Timing is rather critical.  When the parent tree on this layer went dormant, there were not enough root formation for me to be comfortable taking this layer off.  I left it to heal and try again later.  This is a ~2.5" branch with about 6' of growth above it.  I was using method 1 described above.

~james


James,

This answers some questions I had, but raises others.  Would you explain what you mean by "left it to heal"?  Did the roots start forming, and you then removed the air bubble and rooting medium, leaving the roots to dry out?  Or, did you just wait until the tree came out of dormancy and everything just started growing again?  Can an air layer be left on the tree through the winter months, in cold indoor storage, and then be cut and potted in spring?

If the layer is cut and potted after dormancy, and left in a warm area, won't it come out of dormancy and grow?

I'm expecting to cut one air layer next week, and I have two others that are newly started.  I hope to have enough roots to pot them before frost, but it'll be close.

Thanks.

Subject: Air Layering Marathon - pictures Replies: 26
Posted By: udaman Views: 4,066
 
Dennis,

I was answering the question at the same time you were.  I didn't see your reply or mean to step on your toes.  And you're correct, to each his own way of doing things.  The end result is what we are all striving for.


Subject: Air Layering Marathon - pictures Replies: 26
Posted By: udaman Views: 4,066
 
noss,

All you need is a one inch cut, or less, between two leaf nodes near the base of the stem.  The idea is to remove a strip of bark to encourage root growth.  Making a longer cut would have no better effect.  It looks like sphagnum moss sticking out of the top of the bottle, not roots.  The roots will be more white, and very noticeable, when they grow.


Subject: Mr. Richard Replies: 4
Posted By: udaman Views: 623
 
Thanks gene, for posting this story.  The world is a better place with people like him, but also because of what people like him have done.  I take every chance I get to honor our American veterans, and thank them for their service to us.  Few of the vets of WW2 are still with us, but these men and women hold a special place in my mind and in my heart, because they were my heroes when I was a boy, and they still are.

Thank you Mr. Richards, RIP.


Subject: VdB arrived yesterday. Replies: 2
Posted By: udaman Views: 477
 
I ordered these Violette de Bordeaux from Edible Landscape.  They were shipped on Monday and arrived on Wednesday in excellent shape with no hot weather effects.  A great deal at under $10 each.  Nice upright form, with fruit already growing.

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Subject: What do I do with a cutting? Replies: 6
Posted By: udaman Views: 629
 
Cassandra,

I don't have much experience with figs, but I do with other shrubs and trees.  I think "when" is just as important as "how".  Cuttings at this time of year may be hit or miss, but air-layering is almost a sure thing.  I would try to do the air-layer.  Talk to the giver and explain that it wouldn't be too inconvenient to set it up and wait four weeks.  Or wait till March and try the cutting at that time.  Good luck.


Subject: Extending the growing season Replies: 32
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,947
 
Hi mommagoose,

My second son went to Alfred U., and I made many trips between Vermont and Alfred on I-88.  Nice country for growing figs and grapes.  Keep us informed on your progress.


Subject: Extending the growing season Replies: 32
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,947
 
loslunas,

I'm going to use 4 mil plastic this time around.  I had the same concern as you about cost.  If the tunnel has good results this year, I may move up to something larger and more permanent next year.  I don't want to invest a bundle until I know I'll get a dividend.  Keep us informed on your decision. 

Subject: Extending the growing season Replies: 32
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,947
 
Grant,

They're sitting on the concrete apron to my tractor shed/garage.  That's where they stood throughout the experiment.  That's also where I brew a fertilizer tea made of comfrey and stinging nettle to feed the trees.  It gets nice and warm in the sun.

The water will not get as warm under the hoop house, as that sits on grass, but the experiment shows that the black pail does in fact absorb more heat into the water.


Subject: season extension webinar Replies: 1
Posted By: udaman Views: 497
 
Thanks Kerry.  That's just what I need.  You know as I do, we don't have much time left this season, and we need to make the best of it.  The link works perfectly.

I ordered the VdB from Edible Landscape and they'll be here next week.  I hope I can grow them out a little this year.  Thanks for the tip.  I'll see you later.


Subject: Extending the growing season Replies: 32
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,947
 
Here's the results of my water temp test using one white pail and one black pail.

Time
Air Temp Fh
White Pail Fh
Black Pail Fh
Condition
8am
64
66
66
part cloudy
12pm
72
70
74
part cloudy
3pm
80
82
88
full sun
6pm
74
86
94
shade

The black pail certainly did heat up more than the white, and at 6pm the black pail was twenty degrees warmer then air temperature.  Looks like I'll be spray painting all my pails.


Subject: Extending the growing season Replies: 32
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,947
 
I decided to try Grant's experiment.  Here's two cat litter pails filled with water, I'll let them heat up and measure the temps in both tomorrow afternoon.

Also the start of my mini hoop house, getting ready for frost.  I used 3/4" PVC conduit over 1/2" EMT pipe for the stakes.  That's a mango plant in the pink pot, that I rescued from my compost pile yesterday.  Figs and mangoes in Vermont......ha!

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Subject: Extending the growing season Replies: 32
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,947
 
Interesting study.  Where the black bottles in direct sunlight, or were they just absorbing ambient heat?  I wonder, would metal and fins be a good thing, or would the heat be given off too quickly, thereby not lasting through the night? 

Since first frost is not too far off, I'm starting to think about how to protect my trees and get a little added growing time.

I'd be interested in your further findings, thanks.  I'll have to find some black paint....



Subject: Air-Layering Replies: 70
Posted By: udaman Views: 7,717
 
It's been 23 days since I started an air-layer on an Atreano.  Today I peeked under the foil and I saw roots growing along the plastic bag.  I'll leave it alone for another week or two, and then pot it. 

Success.


Subject: Violet de Bodreaux Replies: 18
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,660
 
I really want to grow this variety, I've heard so much about it.  I've got it listed on my UC Davis order, but it's gonna be awhile before I can taste one......

Subject: Culling Figs Replies: 12
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,166
 
The new wife is sweeter than any fig, I'd make sure to keep her.  Congrats!

Subject: my fig colection Replies: 22
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,313
 
I'm very impressed.  Beautiful plants.  Glad to see another cold weather grower.  I hope to do as well as you.

Subject: Extending the growing season Replies: 32
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,947
 
Good point Jon.  A tunnel, or hoophouse, or quansett would be used at both ends of the season to get and early start and continue late.  New England has a short season, but it can be extended with help.

Subject: Extending the growing season Replies: 32
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,947
 
Thanks Kerry and thanks northeastnewbie.  I'll check out your suggestions.

I should have known Kerry would have a good lead, as he was the master gardener for the Mother Earth News, back when we both were young(er).  That was a great publication, and I wish I still had my old copies.


Subject: fig id Replies: 12
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,116
 
Thanks Maggie, and nice to meet you.  I'm pasting the link to my pics on Picasa of the Paradiso leaf and fruit, for comparison.  I can't seem to post them here, so you'll have to browse over there.

I don't know that this is the same variety, but the leaf is very similar.

Paradiso leaf
Paradiso fig


Subject: Extending the growing season Replies: 32
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,947
 
Stephen,

Thanks for the info, it will help me save some time getting things right.  Do you have plans or a pic or a link for the hoophouse?  I've seen commercial hoophouses at the farm stand nearby my place, is that what you're talking about?  Yes, that would be expensive, but I may consider it if my research shows this could be profitable.

I'll just keep putting one foot in front of the other.


Subject: UC Davis, quick question Replies: 16
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,043
 
Here's the 2010 list of accessions

Here's the NCGR main site.  You'll find pomegranates there.


Subject: fig id Replies: 12
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,116
 
I uploaded pics, but they didn't show.....sorry.

Subject: fig id Replies: 12
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,116
 
The leaf is similar to Paradiso, but the fruit is shaped differently.

Subject: Extending the growing season Replies: 32
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,947
 
Has anyone used row covers to extend the growing or fruiting season for figs?  I'm about to place an order for Agribon row covers, and I wanted to check with the experts here before spending my dinero.

This row cover is suposed to allow about 85% of the light in and hold the heat.  I plan on putting up plastic pipe hoops and cover them with this.

Row cover

Thanks.


Subject: My Violet De Bordeaux Replies: 2
Posted By: udaman Views: 610
 
Both were dug out of soil of the same parent plant

Do you mean that they self seeded?  Or they grew from the roots of the parent?

If they're from seeds, then they could be different varieties, and so the reason the leaves are not the same.

Subject: Question for container grower Replies: 7
Posted By: udaman Views: 665
 
If the pots are too big to move easily, can you fashion a plastic skirt around the base of the tree to cover the pot?  That would keep out most of the rain.

Subject: UC Davis, quick question Replies: 16
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,043
 
Cassandra, I have not done it yet, but I think you're correct...they charge your Fedex account for the shipping.  I think I remember reading a thread where the shipping came to around $31 USD, but I could be wrong.

Subject: Best figs at your location Replies: 308
Posted By: udaman Views: 76,645
 
Thanks, Ottawan.  My oldest son graduated UVM. Still lives in Burlington and works for IBM...nice town.

Subject: UC Davis, quick question Replies: 16
Posted By: udaman Views: 1,043
 
I've filled out the order form, but I'm holding it for another month or so.  I've done some research and I've picked five cultivars that might produce well in my climate.  I hope that's not too many to request. 

Now to I have to get my wife to let me use her FEDEX account to pay the shipping....

Subject: Best figs at your location Replies: 308
Posted By: udaman Views: 76,645
 
I just wanted to say how very valuable this information is for a new guy.  Thanks to all for taking the time to post.  I wish I had unlimited time and funds to grow all the recommendations.  I look forward to the end of season comments, too.

If you get a minute, have a look at the website I started just a week ago, link is in my signature. 

 

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