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Subject: Info on English Brown Turkey? Replies: 12
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Thanks, guys! Anything would be helpful. How did you identify it?


Subject: Are Latarolla breba worth leaving on ? Replies: 27
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Hello again!

I am still trying to identify the fig I found on post #6. The list below are possible candidates I have found (and ruled some out). Anyone have any suggestions for possible matches? The second list is for viarieties that may match but I have not yet found documentation to rule them in or out.

RULED OUT:

LATTAROLA/ITALIAN HONEY? NO
HDARI/HDADI? NO
PINGO DE MEL? NO
WHITE OC? NO
BLANCHE D'ARGENTEUIL? NO
WHITE RUSSIAN? NO
GENOA? NO
324-2? NO
333-1? NO
341-1? NO
GREEN ITALIAN? NO
ATREANO? NO

POSSIBLES:

LSU GOLD?
OREGON PROLIFIC?
SAN PEDRO?
EARLY WHITE?
FICO ZANA?
FLORENTINE?
GARNSEY WHITE SEEDLESS?

Thanks for your help!


Subject: Info on English Brown Turkey? Replies: 12
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Hello!

Anyone out there have pics/reliable references/sources for EBT figs? I have looked online without much success. Thanks!



Subject: A Windy Day Replies: 18
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James,

"an inch wide and 6" deep"?! My crevices can fit my foot and I have some where I cannot even see the bottom! The good news is that there are less toads hopping around (think the rest are at the bottom of these canyons!). You know it's bad when you have to pour a bucket of water over the spot where you need to drive a metal stake or it won't penetrate! lol

Subject: Anybody growing Ischia Green? Replies: 93
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Sara,

Glad to hear your plants are doing so well and that your mom has taken such an intrest and is recovering from the surgery. The Black Mission and Unknown Morley liking that Kentucky sun too?

@ Jonnydip,

How did the main crop compare to the breba as far as size and flavor?

Subject: Anybody growing Ischia Green? Replies: 93
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Jonnydip,

Sure does! Thanks!! Looks a bit more yellowish than my strain. Is it caprified? What state is the tree in? Lastly, did you get any stats on the main crop?

Subject: a book you might enjoy Replies: 5
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Thanks for the link!


Subject: Anybody growing Ischia Green? Replies: 93
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One of the cuttings I took and started on the 20 May started rooting 10 days later.

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Subject: Anybody growing Ischia Green? Replies: 93
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Very nice, Jonnydip! Like I posted earlier, I have not seen a breba from my local tree. Have any pictures of main crop fruit? What can you tell us about your tree's geneology? Sorry for all the questions, but my curiousity is piqued! Thanks!


Subject: Anybody growing Ischia Green? Replies: 93
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Sara,

Technically, yes. They are synonyms. Strawberry Verte and Verte are the same fig. Possible cause for confusion is the physical characteristis between caprified and uncaprified fruit. Some will just have to be attributed to regional/ethnic renaming probably due to failure to properly research the geneology and origin of the tree. As you know by now, this is very common, especially among figs.

Jonnydip,

Is that from a Verte/IG? Can you post pics of the tree and leaves too? Any details about size/weight?

 Thanks!

Subject: Found this hitchhiker Replies: 6
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Simple definition of 'weed': anything growing where it should not be.

Subject: Found this hitchhiker Replies: 6
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lol. it's a weed.


Subject: Will last year's figs ripen? Replies: 8
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AnnieBee,

Apparently there are fig trees that will carry over main crop figs over the Winter and ripen them the next Spring. Yours appears to be one. Leave them on and let the tree do its thing. You will likely be glad you did. Good luck!

Subject: Green Greek Fig pics Replies: 14
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John,
 I just potted one I got from the FL guy. Looks like he grows them indoors. Just needed some water and hardening off time.

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Subject: Cherry Time! Replies: 9
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Ken,

I am growing the Brooks and Tulare. Supposedly only need about 450 hrs. I can give them that. Another source said 700-800 hrs. That could be a problem. They are growing nicely so far. This is their first year and have put on abt 2' of growth so far. Takes 3-4 years to produce so time will tell.


Subject: Is my Fig tree dying? UPDATE! Replies: 39
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Gia,

You can leave it out, but I suggest to mist the leaves throughout the day. If i am understanding you correctly, you are saying it was growing bare root in a bucket of water. It has gotten a lot of moisture with little effort plus being indoors it did not have need for a large root system. It is going to need time to develop the proper root system for soil and harden the leaves against UV rays. Don't be surprized if it drops all its leaves and appears dead. Keep the soil moist (not wet) and it should rebound. Good luck!

Subject: Is my Fig tree dying? UPDATE! Replies: 39
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Welcome to the forum, Gia

Can you post pictures of the tree? Was it a potted plant keep in a bucket with water or was it a cutting? Part of the problem may be that you have taken it from partial sun to full sun without giving it a gradual adjustment to the intense rays of the sun. You must do that or it will burn the leaves and possibly kill the plant.

Subject: my fig varieties of saplings Replies: 3
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very nice, Ali! Good luck! What varieties did you plant?


Subject: summer cuttings Replies: 4
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One thing they suggest is to remove any foliage and refrigerate for 2 weeks. I have never refrigerated my cuttings. I will usually cut all but 1 or 2 leaves off and then trim those leaves in half if they are too large. I recently tried leaving one or two small fruit on them and they are rooting fine too! Keep the humidity at around 70-80%. Good luck!


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Subject: Anybody growing Ischia Green? Replies: 93
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Nelson, that happens all too frequently. Did you see my post about my "Golden Celeste"? lol ..I also traded for a Fiorone di Ruvo. Not looking good so far...


Subject: some pics Replies: 8
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very nice! thx for posting them, Nelson.


Subject: Anybody growing Ischia Green? Replies: 93
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I know you are all probably sick of this fig plant, but here are a cpl more pics I took of the parent tree when I took some fresh cuttings...

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Subject: bird netting enclosure Replies: 45
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very cool! My master plan was just to overwhelm the little buggers with numbers of things to eat. lol


Subject: cold and wet Replies: 16
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yeah. We jumped from "Winter" right into Summer. Had about 2 weeks of Spring. Been in the high 80's to high 90's for about a month now. We did manage to get 3/4" of rain last week. Otherwise our drought continues. As for growth, things seem to be going well. Even ahead of scheduel. Watering my in-ground trees every 7-10 days. Good luck to us all!


Subject: Another reason to watch what you eat. Replies: 11
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Sounds like a load of BS. I have that happen to some of my watermelons and I use no hormones. Must have been a slow day at AP.



Subject: Newbie! Replies: 9
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hello!

I just bought an Improved BT today and was wondering if anyone has pictures of their tree and/or fruit? Thanks!

Subject: my figs Replies: 21
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Hi, hml597!

Nice pics. What is that 4th pic of?

EDIT: Make that the 6th now. lol


Subject: Ripening "Golden Celeste" Replies: 9
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Dan,

I notified the person I traded with. He said he was told that is what they were. Never actually grew them himself. So I doubt the other plants will be different. (yuk it up, Dennis! lol)


Subject: Anybody growing Ischia Green? Replies: 93
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Dan,

The photo of the dried fruit was taken 22 August last year. Not sure when it actually ripened it's first crop. I have not seen a breba on the parent or my plants. The freshly cut fruit pic was picked and photographed on 4 August so I would speculate that they begin to ripen by early-mid July at the latest. It continues producing until frost. As Condit said, it is supposed to be able to carry immature fruit through the winter. I have not personally seen this as the parent tree gets pruned down to about 5' every fall/winter. I will leave a few on my own plants this winter and see.



Subject: Ripening "Golden Celeste" Replies: 9
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wouldn't be so bad except that I already have 10 plants/trees (and growing!). Looks like it will be the first to ripen fruit tho. lol


Subject: Anybody growing Ischia Green? Replies: 93
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Dan,


Thanks for saying so. Haven't seen another with fruit just like that for some reason. Don't know if you noticed in the last picture, but the fruit appear to dry on the tree instead of falling. I did not taste the dried fruit to see if they were any good though. I will this summer.


Subject: Anybody growing Ischia Green? Replies: 93
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Jason,

If you want, I can take some fresh cuttings from the parent tree and send them to you. Shoot me a PM if you are interested with length/width preference.


Subject: Anybody growing Ischia Green? Replies: 93
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Got you covered, George. Will notify you when they are collected. Thanks!


Subject: Ripening "Golden Celeste" Replies: 9
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lol. yeah...me too. :-(


Subject: Ripening "Golden Celeste" Replies: 9
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On Dec 19, 2010, I started cuttings I had received as part of a trade. These were supposed to have been Golden Celeste cuttings. Today I noticed that one of the fruit has started to ripen. Here is what I got:


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Subject: Anybody growing Ischia Green? Replies: 93
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I'd be happy to accomodate you guys, but right now I only have one 5-gal plant (spoken for). I have 8 others in-ground and actively growing and forming fruit. I would be hesitant to uproot them. What do you think?


Subject: Anybody growing Ischia Green? Replies: 93
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Ken,

Yours looks like an actual Verte/IG. Verte should have 0-3 lobes. The bark on the parent tree I got my cuttings from is also white/light. Mine do not have FMV.

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Subject: Too much rain? Replies: 18
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It's a shapely looking tree. On the possitive side, it's good that you are not fertilizing it. For a 3-yr old BT tree, it is a little small and slender. The bare limbs and long internodal distances (except for the ends) leads me to believe that it is not getting enough sunlight. I have BT cuttings that were just rooted in late December that already have fruit forming the length of the cutting. Unfortunately, not much you can do about that but move it. In the pics below you will see a parent tree that was getting a few hours of sunlight each day. The other pic is of a cutting I took from it. The growth you see is from that same year since the cutting was killed back by winter freeze after it's first season.

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Subject: I finally figured it Why figs with FMV,from Ca Collection,don't want to grow on East Coast. Replies: 26
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Interesting theory, Herman. Here is a good source for information on pH and fertilizer relationships for everyone: http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/horticulture/components/1731-complete.pdf Enjoy!


Subject: Anybody growing Ischia Green? Replies: 93
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Here is an excerpt of what Condit said about Verte/IG:

"Verte (syns. Coeur, De Cour, De Cuers, Verdalle, Verdale, Des Dames, Figue d’Espagne, Trompe-Chasseur, Trompe-Cassaire, Ischia Green, Figue d’Hiver, Ficus carica aulica Risso). Described as Verte by Merlet (1667), La Quintinie (1692), Tournefort (1700), Liger (1702), Garidel (1715), Langley (1728), La Brousse (1774), Rozier (1805), Duhamel (1809), Christ (1812), Lamarck (1817), Bory de Saint Vincent (1824), February, 1955] Condit: Fig Varieties 409 Couverchel (1839), and Leclerc (1925). Described as De Cour or De Cuers by Bernard (1787), Risso (1826), Du Breuil (1876), and Eisen (1901). Described as Verdale by La Brousse (1774), Hogg (1866), and Société’ Pomologique de France (1947, probably). Described as Trompe-Chasseur or Trompe-Cassaire by Sauvaigo (1889) and Simonet et al. (1945). Described as Ischia Green by Miller (1768), Hanbury (1770), Forsyth (1803), Brookshaw (1812), Green (1824), Lindley (1831), Burnette (1894), Earle (1900), Leclerc (1925), Stansel and Wyche (1932), and Condit (1947). See Rolland (1914) for synonymy.

The fruits are illustrated in color by Duhamel and by Brookshaw. Merlet described Figue Verte (also called Verdalle or Figue d’Espagne) as bearing few brebas, but many second-crop figs, some of which remain on the tree over winter and mature in the spring, hence the name, Figue d’Hiver. Garidel stated that it was also called Trompe-Cassaire because of its resemblance to Bourjassotte, which also hangs on the tree during winter. Eisen reported that this green fig appears unripe even when mature; therefore, it is called Trompe-Chasseur, “hunter’s deception.” Couverchel listed it as Figue Verte des Dames or De Guers, but did not explain the significance the latter name, which may be a corruption of De Cuers. The suggestion of Rozier, that Verte might be the same as Ischia Green of Miller, is accepted as correct after comparison of descriptions by the various authors cited. Contrary to the reports of some horticulturists, such as Hogg, Eisen, Starnes, and Gould, Ischia Green and Ischia White are regarded here as distinct varieties. Sauvaigo referred Verte to Ficus carica falaciosa of Risso, but this Latin terminology has not been found in the 1826 edition of Risso, who described Figue de Cour under F. carica aulica. Langley treated Verte as a green fig, called in France, Figue Verte and in Italy, Verdone. The latter, however, is regarded in this monograph as distinct. Verte is reported to be one of the better figs of Provence, especially at Grasse and Toulon. English writers, beginning with Miller, state that the skin is thin, green, and when fully ripe, is stained by the meat to a brownish cast; also, that the interior purple color will stain linen or paper. As early as 1832, the William Kenrick Nursery, Newton, Massachusetts, offered for sale trees of Green Ischia at one dollar each. In 1894, Ischia Green was included in the Chiswick collection as P.I. No. 18,856. It has long been grown in the southern United States, but on account of confusion with Ischia White, reports on its behavior must be carefully evaluated. However, the variety has certainly not been nearly so well regarded or extensively planted as have Brown Turkey, Celeste (Malta), or Brunswick. A small commercial planting is on the place of Stoughton Sterling, Crisfield, Maryland. Two trees have been located in California dooryards; one in the yard of C. W. Gates, 128 Fey Drive, Burlingame; the other on the place of John Kruttschnitt, San Mateo. Ischia Green has been received and tested at Riverside with material from the following localities: Crisfield, Maryland; Sherman, Angleton, and San Antonio, Texas. The fruit is late in maturing, but of good quality. The very light production of brebas, the small size of the main-crop figs, and its late season of maturity, are factors sufficient to prevent much extension of Verte, at least in California. A variety labeled Calvert, briefly described by Close (1933), was received in 1929 from the Angleton, Texas, station, numbered 8,370. This has proved to be identical with Verte at Riverside, and both are very similar to Col de Dame.

Branches of the tree have terminal buds, green in color. Leaves below medium, glossy above, non lobed to 3-lobed; upper sinuses shallow; base broadly subcordate to truncate; margins coarsely crenate. Description is from figs produced at Riverside since 1942, and at Fresno in the season of 1953. Brebas few, or rarely produced, as reported by Simonet; figs medium, pyriform, with prominent neck and short stalk; eye small, scales straw color; white flecks small, numerous, conspicuous; color green; bloom delicate; meat thin, violet; pulp strawberry.

Second-crop figs small; turbinate, without neck, or pyriform, with prominent, somewhat flattened neck; average weight 40 grams; stalk up to 1/4 inch long; eye small, fairly well closed, scales tawny; ribs narrow, fairly well elevated; white flecks scattered, conspicuous; color grass green; meat white; pulp dark strawberry; quality good. Season late.

Caprified figs have much the same characters, but the pulp is blood red in color. (Plate 17, C.)". Going by this description of the leaves, it looks like Rafed's tree is not a Verte/Ischia Green.


Subject: Are Latarolla breba worth leaving on ? Replies: 27
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Dan,

True. Unfortunately, Condit did a poor job of documenting the characteristics of the Florentine/IH/Latarulla in his Monograph. It would be cool if we could see pics of yours tho. Thanks!


Subject: Anybody growing Ischia Green? Replies: 93
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Can those of you with the Ischia Green fig trees/plants post pictures of the leaves and or fruits for comparison? I am curious as to how they match up against Condit's description for Verte/IG. According to Condit, Verte/IG has a small, open eye. Thanks!


Subject: Too much rain? Replies: 18
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how many hours of light is it getting? How much fertilizer (if any) are you giving it and how often? Any pics?


Subject: Found another curious nearby fig ("Unknown Morley") Replies: 91
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JD,

Those plants have been growing in different media since they were up-potted from 12-oz cups.
The one on the left started out in MG with supplemental Perlite until 28 Apr when I added almost another 1/2 pot of the mix I used for plants 3 and 4. Un fortunately, it's growth was retarded by my using Petroleum jelly on my first 3 rooted cuttings in an attempt to prevent mold. All 3 rooted but 2 of them failed to open an buds do to the chemical injury. Silly Me!
The next one is in Joe Morle's mix but only using 4 tbsp Osmocote Indoor/Outdoor in 9-gal of mix instead of all the fertilizers he does.
The 3rd and 4th are also in Morle's mix with the same amount of Osmocote but this time two parts peat moss. No lime or other fertilizers have been used in the making of these plants ;-)). I am experimenting with different soiless media and blends in order to determine what works best all around. Hope this helped.


Subject: Are Latarolla breba worth leaving on ? Replies: 27
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Dan,

The parent tree did have some leaves with 5 lobes but the vast majority were 3. If you look beside my thumb in the picture with the trunk you will see one. Or the leaf at the 2 o'clock position near the pic of the leaf. Also, if you zoom in on the margins of the leaf pic you will see that it is edged with pointed teeth angled outward which is the definition of dentate. Some of the leaves have more crenate (rounded) margins. As for the color, Condit describes Italian Honey (a.k.a Florentine) as having pale green skin with amber flesh. Lastly, we must bear in mind that this tree is probably older than any of the ones our members own and the leaves are subect to change with time and even early season vs. mid-summer. btw, I did go after that unusual improved BT but the darn nursery was closed today! An hour off my life I won't get back!! LOL will get it tomorrow.


Subject: Are Latarolla breba worth leaving on ? Replies: 27
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Dennis, ripe the figs range from greenish-yellow to yellowish-green. I picked some more today. will post pics once I get home. The size could be because they are breba. As for comparing the two figs, they should be different since Peter's has an open eye.

EDIT: added another pic/detail. The average weight of the 3 figs was 46.1g.

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Subject: Are Latarolla breba worth leaving on ? Replies: 27
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Pami,

It's actually the bag in which bed sheet sets are frequently sold. Makes an excellent mini greenhouse for about 8-10 cuttings in the 3" baggies.



Subject: Are Latarolla breba worth leaving on ? Replies: 27
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Dan,

It was sooooo good! Been a long winter. May have to go back and buy some fresh figs from them. The owner was under the impression it was an Alma. She did not even sell potted plants from it and it is growing right in her nursery. She did have one fig type. An improved Brown Turkey that had leaves unlike I have seen on any fig. Basically shapeless and small. Tag said the fruit are colored like  BT only the size is very large and they are flavorful and the tree is bifara. Think I will go back for one.


Subject: Breba New World. Replies: 114
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My Alma, Celeste, and Brunswick started the season with brebas. Only the Alma and Celeste kept them.


Subject: Are Latarolla breba worth leaving on ? Replies: 27
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