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Subject: Paw paw seeds for shipping Replies: 6
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Subject: Paw paw seeds for shipping Replies: 6
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Banana meets a mango- very strange flavored fruit for the northern climates. However, JFE sells some for Florida and the south that I grow here as well.

Subject: Paw paw seeds for shipping Replies: 6
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Hi everybody,

Each year I offered paw paw seeds around this time. I'd like to continue it while I can. I also have a limited of fruit I can ship ( depending on location). PM me for the details. I can send 30 seeds or so for 5-6 dollars total including shipping. You can certainly order more if you'd like. The germination rate is pretty high ( although sporadic), but they must be stratified in the fridge for 3 months or so. Thanks, Bill.

Subject: 10th Anniversary Replies: 40
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Agree with Lebmark completely. We want to help to continue this great resource and tradition.

Subject: 10th Anniversary Replies: 40
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Hi Jon. I have used and have learned a lot from this site since 2011 when I was just a lurker. You have provided a great service to us all over the last 10+ years. I have always admired your patience and acceptance of differing opinions on issues over this time period. You have always struck me as someone who is pro-acceptance of all collectors and growers. It is very easy to ban or censor members for strong opinions and comments. Yet, you have allowed free speech. For me, this is right up my alley, because I believe in most cases, folks want to blow off steam or get their point across. It doesn't mean you, as the administrator, "don't care or are oblivious". It simply means you are allowing free thought and opinion to flow. Yes, it can be frustrating to some and may not suit their thought process, but it allows those who don't agree to voice concerns as well. That's hard to do as an administrator. I can absolutely understand that. It is much easier to to take action. The wise man allows ALL voices to be heard. That is what makes the forum great. I know you must be stressed over current events. Please remember your mindset. This too, shall pass. I am indebted to you for this forum. We all are. You have helped so many people. If there is anything I can do to continue this proud tradition, please let me know. I love this forum, the first of its kind. You are a pioneer with tradition. I want this great tradition to continue. Thanks for your consideration. Bill

Subject: Need fig ID help! Replies: 4
Posted By: bigbadbill Views: 107
That one looks like. Negronne.

Subject: Not a brown turkey Replies: 4
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I agree with Wendy.

Subject: Need fig ID help! Replies: 4
Posted By: bigbadbill Views: 107

That looks very much like my Vern's BT with flesh, skin and leaves as well. I will see if I have a pic handy. Definitely not conadria, though.

Subject: Another Kill Replies: 5
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That's awesome, Paully. I only wish my French bulldog could pull off such a feat. I give my frenchie scrambled eggs every morning. He is useless, but pretty cute. Maybe I need a few bigger dogs to get the job done as I've had some squirrel damage as of late. I should ask my wife if I can have a lab.

Subject: OT: Let's see your Pomegranate Trees Replies: 12
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Here is one of my salavatski pomegranate trees. It is about 8-9 ft tall in Lancaster PA ( zone 6b/7a). I just moved to the property last October and promptly planted it. In a pot the year before, it produced four nice fruits. This year, it flowered, but dropped the fruit as a result ( I believe) of not having the root structure and system to hold the fruit. I hacked it back to three feet last October and it grew like mad after suffering zero damage last winter. I realize it was a mild winter, but it definitely gives me hope for more fruit next year.

Subject: Bisirri #3 Replies: 14
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Hi Pino,

That is interesting on your Bisirri black findings. My Bisirri 3 ripens about two weeks before Mt. Etnas. This year they started ripening around August 5 vs Mt.. Etnas around August 17. In fact, my Bisirri 3 is done for the season, whereas my Mt Etnas are really in full swing. The size of the Bisirri 3 is also about 10-15 grams more than the Mt. Etnas.

I am also in a similar situation with the container size. I have a 20 gallon pot and it is just too large and heavy to move around. I believe I will put it in the ground next spring ( zone 6b/7a) and see how it performs. We will have to compare notes next year.

Subject: Bisirri #3 Replies: 14
Posted By: bigbadbill Views: 238
Hi Sas,

The story, at least for Bisirri 3, ( the only one I have), came to me years ago from Ricci ( jazz bass), who doesn't post any longer. Mr. Bisirri originally had two varieties, light and dark. Mr. Bisirri supposedly had a large greenhouse where he stored his trees over the winter. However, Mr. Bisirri would also let some neighbors and friends store their trees in the greenhouse as well. Ricci was helping Mr. Bisirri along with Barry in the spring, when they noticed another tree in the greenhouse that wasn't labeled like the other two (light and dark). Later, Ricci noticed it was different in terms of fruit flavor and size. There is actually an old thread, I believe, that mentions this extra tree, eventually named Bisirri #3. This is the story I can best recall, but could be wrong about some specifics, it has been about 5-6 years.

Subject: How do you rate Violette de Solies. Replies: 6
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VdS is absolutely excellent. It is a little on the late side in the mid Atlantic, (mid September), but is reminiscent of Maltese beauty meets black Madeira.

Subject: Two winners in spite of cold, rain- Vibo Valencia and moscatel preto Replies: 2
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We've had a lot of rain, and especially cool temps this past week. Most figs have been insipid, watery. The two varieties that really tasted good and did not split were vibo Valencia (kubota1) and moscatel preto. The moscatel Preto is absolutely excellent. It usually contains a drop of honey from the ostiole. The one in the photo was picked too early, but I just couldn't wait. Upon proper ripening, they are really tough to beat.

Subject: Bisirri #3 Replies: 14
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Looks great, Marcel! I am really surprised it was only 21 grams. I guess I attribute that to the age of the tree. Most of mine are in the 50 gram range. In fact, my neighbor really likes them because they are larger and meatier than most of our Mt. Etnas. I was going to put it in the ground this past spring, but even in a pot, it out produces most other varieties. I am sure you will have many more figs from it next year. Thanks for sharing!

Subject: Which 3 varieties Replies: 17
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I-258, figo preto, and black Madeira are similar, but I-258 is earlier.

I would say I-258, strawberry verte, and panache.

Subject: What is your FIRST main crop in ground to ripen in 2017 Replies: 35
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Great thread! My first was Florea followed by, only days after, RdB. Improved Celeste, and unk teramo were a few days behind the other two.

Michael, I wish i would have had your patience on the rouge de Bordeaux. That is definitely my mistake by cutting it off too early. I was patient enough to keep Kathleen black after four years ( again, worth the wait), but failed to keep it long enough to find out how good the rouge may be. Maybe some day I'll come to my senses and try it again. Thanks for the heads up!

Subject: Izbat an Naj Replies: 11
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Aww Frank,

That's a good one! It looks like you picked it at the right time, too. Absolutely beautiful pictures of a great variety! I always look forward to your posts, bud. You already got me hooked on a few "new" ( to me, anyway) great varieties through your pics and descriptions. Thanks for sharing because that's what this forum is about. Keep up the great work!

Subject: Madina Replies: 16
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Hi Steve,

Some of my unk pellegrino look very similar with the somewhat darker color ( than BC- VS, Stella), while still sharing the same shape leaf pattern. Since unk pellegrino is both from Italy and has a similar shape of leaf and large tear drop shaped fruit, I am wondering if it may be the same. I will post the leaf and fruit soon, as the fruit in my zone ( 6b-7a) is slightly behind yours, it could be possible. This thread has been intriguing to me since last year because of the apparent similarity. More to come. Thanks for sharing.

Subject: Makedonia Dark Replies: 17
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I am close to you and may have an air layer of makadonia dark for you as well ( will have to check). I believe it is a Mt. Etna, and among one of my earlier producing ones, along with Unk Dahrouge Lebanese, and bisirri #3, which have all started producing. All other Mt. Etnas are getting close, but the aforementioned ones are 7-10 days ahead, at least. It would be a good one for your project, I think. It suffered very minimal dieback this past year in ground ( caveat: it was 3 years old and this past winter was mild).


You are the man! Thank you for always updating us on some stellar performing varieties with awesome pictures! I love seeing your posts on these great varieties. Thanks for your contributions to the forum.

Subject: New arrival wilting Replies: 12
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I agree with removing the leaves, but I'd leave it outside to recover and form some new leaves, assuming the tree is well rooted. This is not very uncommon. In transit, fig trees sometimes suffer travel damage and need to recuperate to the new environment. I think, if the tree is well rooted, it will be just fine. Best of luck!

Subject: Hershey, PA unknown Italian Replies: 7
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That's a great find, Nic! I have stalked that area pretty well, but never "discovered" that tree. It looks like a Mt. Etna type fig. I have found Tim Clymer's "Unk enola fig", the "unk progress grill", the Unk fennicci, and probably Hershey's most famous fig tree- the Testa fig ( which is proudly displayed at the Hershey gardens with a great back story like yours). Hershey has some great Italian people and great Italian fig trees that they brought with them. Great work!

Subject: Preto's running wild Replies: 27
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Absolutely beautiful pics, Paul! I am incredibly happy when I ripen two per season. You are a lucky guy.

Subject: Rubado - the best this year Replies: 24
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Not negronne.

Subject: Rubado - the best this year Replies: 24
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The eye of rubado is commonly sealed with a bead of honey ( at least from what I've observed on mine), or has a small-medium opening. The flavor has always reminded me of a cherry jolly rancher. It is just really intense. I remember sharing a few fruits with some folks and they also concurred about that description. Mine end up ripening in mid September. Here is a thread I started about rubado last year. Vladis includes a pic of the eye with honey, so it must be somewhat common.

Subject: Rubado - the best this year Replies: 24
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I second that, Dennis! Even though, for me it is late, it stands as one of my best ( if not the best) fig in my collection. The flavor is amazing and truly unique. Mine came from Maggie Maria years ago. I never had any trouble with splitting or souring. You're right about the skin, too. It is tough, but I think it prevents some of the ripening problems that some of the thinner skinned varieties have, especially in rain.

Subject: ID NC Fig? Replies: 29
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Without a doubt, it is a Celeste. Richie and schang are right. Celeste is a good fig though. Sweet, and syrupy. You have a good, analytical palate. Celeste is a pretty common southern fig for good reason. It may not be too late to air layer a good sized branch down there. Maybe some southern growers will weigh in on that.

Subject: The Fig Tree From The Godfather Movie Replies: 65
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The king of Arts! Thanks for posting. I had a nice godfather fig late season last year that was much darker ( in skin color), but had the light interior. It was good, but probably didn't represent the actual color and flavor of the true variety. What you posted was more a true representative of what a godfather fig probably should look like. Thanks for posting your true fig fruit. I agree about the unique flavor, however. A good one, none the less!

Subject: Unk. Teramo Replies: 23
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You're welcome, Gene! I hope you like it as much as I do. Thanks, Bill

Subject: Norella Replies: 31
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Beautiful pictures, Frank! It's too bad I don't have this variety. Glad to hear it is winner!

Subject: Figman1peter on eBay? Replies: 10
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Bid away! This guy is solid. I bought a few old belleclare nursery varieties from him a few years ago, including der grossen feige-Graz, which are all definitely true to type. I certainly wouldn't post if I didn't already get fruit from a seller. Excellent source for good belleclare nursery varieties. Highly recommend!

Subject: Melanzana 2017 Replies: 14
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Hi Pino,

I have melanzana calabrese, which also looks like MM. I will post pics soon. It is also much like LdA, but darker like yours and the breba is wonderful. I wonder if MM and melanzana calabrese could be the same? I will have to post some pics, but it sure looks like the same fig to me. Thanks, Bill.

Subject: Identifying a Mystery Fig Replies: 6
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Hi Cliff,

Tim clymer ( an old member of the forum) grew a fig, originally called Unk tucker lake TX. It is somewhat far( north central TX) from San Antonio, but still a possibility. I had one of his Unk tucker lake's and it was virtually seedless, yellow skinned, but had a pinkish hue ( like George Castanza- Seinfeld). Sometimes it had more of an amber flesh, like the pics, depending on sunlight available, but the leaves, flavor, and fruit ( for the most part) seem similar. Maybe he will weigh in. Good luck!

Subject: Panache Nj zone 7b no problems! Awesome fig! Replies: 5
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I really think it comes to the source. I got one from JFE and it is a stud. I have a few other strains and they are shy on productivity, vigor and productivity. JFE has produced in a pot around mid August. The others are late September at best. Thank you for bringing this topic to the forefront. I have been growing panache for around five years. The JFE strain has far outworked, out produced, and outperformed the others, hands down. It's not even a late performer in zone 6b/7a. I am very happy with that strain.

Subject: Bronx White taste excellent Replies: 16
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This is a good variety! Not only is it hardy, but the breba was 101 grams and by far, the best breba of the season. It seems st Anthony-ish, but I agree with Jimmy that it seems different. Everything about it suggested it was a peach. It even has a unique fuzzy skin like a peach. I have to produce more of these for the future. I can't wait to taste the main crop!

Subject: Black Spanish Replies: 6
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The leaves and fruit with the red eye look a lot like VdB to me.

Subject: Air layer Replies: 13
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I would echo the questions bought up by post #2. If the branch is unusually large/thick, it may take substantially longer to finish than a short spur or young branch. Also, just like post #2, I'd be curious to see the air layering technique. I've been very fortunate with long fiber green moss ( AC Moore) and aluminum foil wrapping. This allows reflection of sunlight while also allowing limited air flow. Let me know if I can help.

Subject: Check out some very nice Italian & Spanish Figs on eBay Replies: 3
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Are they common type figs?

Subject: First fig of the season! Replies: 8
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Whatever it is, it is awesome. The fact that it produces two crops in a short season makes it really unique. Most bifera varieties are longer season figs. This gives us, in the northeast, hope! Thanks, Ben!

Subject: First fig of the season! Replies: 8
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I've never had a fig (breba) this early in Lancaster...ever. It was raining today and had been a pretty mild spring. The variety was binbin's "Unk Brandon". Binbin has some really BA unknown varieties. Anyway, despite the rain, the fig was really sweet, slight crunch and absolutely delicious. It didn't split, and the flavor was not diluted ( although it was my first one ever, so I don't know if the flavor would be even more concentrated under better conditions). My daughter thought it tasted like a ripe strawberry, and I'm inclined to agree. Prior to today, the first brebas I've had were desert king (June 28) and rockaway green (June 30).

Subject: Inground Celeste in North Central NJ Replies: 4
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I think I would pinch the tips and see what happens later.

Subject: Threefold Farm Grand Opening - June 24th Replies: 19
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Hi Tim,

Sounds great. I hope to be there. You are a great guy, and I wish the best of luck!

Subject: Inground trees taking a beating during Mid-Atlantic heat wave! Replies: 5
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When did you plant your trees? My early spring (2017) planted trees are doing the same, but my fall planted ones (2016) still look pretty good and relatively unaffected. Perhaps the established ones have roots at the "happy level". I know I planted a mt. Etna fig ( Sal's GS) in 2008 that I never watered since 2009, and it always was happy and productive. In 2012, it produced close to 80 lbs of fruit in Lancaster PA. Of course, the 2013-2014 winters fixed that in a hurry.

Subject: Lower on Sweetness Scale Replies: 13
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Hi Steve,

When I think of slight acid taste, I think of The Bordeauxs. Rdb, VdB, Malone, petite Aubique, etc.

I think the flavor groups maybe to avoid would be the honey and most of the sugar figs. Dark berry, green berry ( aka Adriatic figs) and Bordeaux figs might be what you're looking for. These typically have a richness, or complexity that the lighter figs usually don't have.

Subject: Salce Fig - Hardy? Replies: 7
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Hi Ed,

I remember reading about Salce years ago and wondered the same thing. I actually got my Salce from you 3-4 years ago! I think I'm going to try it in the ground is year as well. We will have to compare notes if you decide to put it in the ground.

Bill (saxonfig) wrote the following about it via Mario's trial ( the source of the Salce fig), and they are in Kentucky zone 6b:

"Well, here's the scoop on that:
The person this one comes from originally (mario), grows it outside here in KY. It tends to die back to the ground in winter but rebounds to produce fruit on the new growth. He also grows it in his unheated greenhouse and it doesn't die back at all in there.

So, not cold hardy but with a little effort will produce well in time.

Mine is potted and I have it stored under a pile of mulch at this time. I'll uncover it along about late March pot it up, and set the bottom of the pot below the soil line in my garden."

Subject: Landis valley plant and herb faire Replies: 17
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I have salavatski, Kazake, and a few Lyubimi ( aka favorite) pomegranate.

Subject: Landis valley plant and herb faire Replies: 17
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Thanks everyone! It looks like there will be some folks going, and that is great! I'm so sorry I didn't mention Craig's stand as well. I use Craig's fertilizer on my figs, poms, and green tea plants and they all love it. In fact, Craig's fertilizer is the only fertilizer I use. Great stuff and even the bag is compostable, i think ( I compost it, anyway). Good luck, Craig!

Subject: Landis valley plant and herb faire Replies: 17
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Are you serious, Tony? That's awesome. I will look forward to it. I will be excited to officially meet you!

Subject: Landis valley plant and herb faire Replies: 17
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Hi Everyone,

I will be back at the landis valley plant and herb faire (4th year) this year selling a lot of unique edible plants. It is this Friday and Saturday, May 12 and 13th. 2451 Kissel hill rd Lancaster pa 17601. What a great opportunity to buy a last minute Mother's Day gift?! Anyway, I will be selling 30-40 varieties of figs, hardy pomegranate, Asian persimmon ( saijo, imoto fuyu, and jiro), jujube trees ( honey jar, GA-866, Li, and shanxi Li), many paw paw seedlings ( and some KSU and Peterson grafted varieties), hardy kiwi, currants, lingonberry, jostaberry, hops, ginger plants, turmeric, green tea plants, bush cherry, goji berry, aronia berry, dragon fruit, grapes, Yerba mate, pineapple guava, and probably some other plants I am forgetting. So, if you are interested and willing to drive, it should be a fun time. As always, if anyone on the forum comes, they will receive a discount on anything they buy. Hope to see some of you there!

Subject: Remember figs4fun?Time to turn this bus around! Replies: 65
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Hey, stekewood. I'm not that old for Lynn swann, but man, could Hines jack up some folks. This did not go down as I envisioned. Good on you.


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